<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Exactly ghoti, how can the coach be blamed when he isn't given good players to use on games?</p> Stefanski and the players he chose are to be blamed.</p> </div></p> </p> Thank you for caring about the Nets (assuming), celtics fan.</p> </div></p> Oh no problem jarkid. </p> </p>
I talked about how Frank is not a leader amongst men yesterday, and how I don't think he can motivate or inspire confidence in his players. If we're trying to compare coaching to GM's, then I place the blame on Frank. The way I see it, we've had problems with a team that doesn't live up to their potential. The way I interpret this is that our expectations of this team, this idea of how a team looks on paper, is credited to the people who bring in these supposed great players in. The team that doesn't live up to their potential, the team that actually suits up on the court, is the Frank-lead team.</p> If you say that a coach isn't getting all they can out of their players, you inherently recognize that players are being brought in that perform at a higher level.</p> Plus although I disagree in Thorn's FA choices thus far (Magloire is terrible right now, but I'm not ready to close the book on him), his drafting and trading has been solid. I mean look at the players he brought in that took us to the big show.</p> So how do I explain this descrepancy? The ownership In trades and drafting there is relatively no outside restrictions for Thorn to worry about; there's no self-handicapping on the Nets parts unless they're in the FA market, where we have an owner that restricts spending over the tax. If we had the Knicks payroll and our bench would be filled with Pietruses, Varajaos, and not Bufords and Padgents.</p> We have an ownership group that cares more about a housing project than the game of basketball. I hope that for their sake, and ours, they sell their majority share once the new arena is done.</p>
Thorn and Stefanski have made some bad decisions, but let's just remember the track record of those before them.</p> Thornski have made three GREAT trades, not just good trades but GREAT trades to get Kidd, Carter and Jefferson. They have also made some very good trades, like getting Nachbar for nothing, Mikki Moore and Cliff Robinson for second round picks. I am not going to mention the KMart trade, but in retrospect, it was a good deal. They have made one horrendously bad trade: Dikembe Mutombo for Van Horn and MacColluch, and one time bomb trade (blows up in your face later) in selling Korver.</p> Draft picks are mixed but if Sean Williams and Marcus Williams continue theirrapid development and Krstic returns to form, that's three picks of lottery level talent at 17, 22 and 24in the past five years. The rest of them are fair to poor (Wright, Planinic, selling the '04 pick).</p> Free agent signings have been a disaster. The Nets often succeeded in the first two categories by taking troubled players and putting them in good situations. But the players they signedhave beeneither malcontents, fat guys, or both (Childs, Rogers, McInnis and possibly Magloire).</p> Saying you don't want Krstic back, based on two weeks of significant rehab is just silly.</p> </p> </p>
This team lacks shooters. The Nets could really use House and Moore right now. Allen is supposed to fill in Moore's role but so far he hasn't been able to show us anything. On top of that, Krstic is still not his own self so they are not able to use him in pick-and-roll situations. if you look at the roster minus Carter, who can you call a legitimate scoring threat? RJ when he is in his groove. That's it. Kidd is very streaky and Wright and Nachbar are confidence players who are up and down. I am surprised that they even scored 70 points. This is just an unbalanced team with almost no scoring options.</p>
I don't know, I have doubts as to how well Houston's shot is; if its at the level that we need (like House). This guy couldn't get on a team this year. Sure he had roster spots working against him, but if he can really light up like we need him to, I think he'd already be on a team.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Saying you don't want Krstic back, based on two weeks of significant rehab is just silly.</p> </div></p> If you're referring to me, that's not why I said I don't care if he comes back. When healthy, Krstic is a good player, but I'm not sure he's the RIGHT player for the Nets. I think he'd be pretty valuable off the bench, but I suspect that the Nets would have to overpay him for someone in that role, and I also suspect that Coach Frank would start him anyway. I mean, let's play a little game. I'll give you Kidd and, what the heck, Carter. Describe in words the skills you want the rest of the roster (say, 10 more players) to have with the caveat that, since you've just used up about half your salary structure, everyone else on the roster will have either one significant weakness or be about average in a number of things. Is there an imaginary player on your team like Krstic? Is he starting? I'm not kidding about this, either. This would be your optimal team within salary constraints.</p> </p>
Your boy Collins missed the final two FTs to let the Heat win the game easily. And he was not a starter.</p> Great News.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Your boy Collins missed the final two FTs to let the Heat win the game easily. And he was not a starter.</p> Great News.</p> </div></p> You're supporting your own argument, not taking anything away from Dumpy's. I don't think you understand what he's saying.</p> I said this in the game thread and I'll say this again: Collins got the job done by sending Shaq to the line. His uncharacteristically high FT% should not take away from the strategy being used.</p> </p>
We can foul Shaq even we play Mile Ilic.</p> Collins should not be the game the last moment, Frank's fault, too.</p>
Frank is a hardworker. He prepares for every eventuality. Good for him. Is he head coach material? Does he consistently make assinine substitutions? Are his offensive sets working? Has he shaped an identity for this team? Has he motivated the players to be better? Has he gotten the most out of the talent on this team?</p> For the most part, you can't say he has consistently proven that he is good at any of these things.</p> </p>
Collins Defense is the REASON why we got back in the GAME and I'm not talking solely about hack a shaq routine.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> We can foul Shaq even we play Mile Ilic.</p> Collins should not be the game the last moment, Frank's fault, too.</p> </div></p> But can we foul him and keep him from making And-1 plays? Plus its not like we have to pick between two extremes. There were plenty of posessions where Collins kept Shaq from scoring the ball.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> We can foul Shaq even we play Mile Ilic.</p> Collins should not be the game the last moment, Frank's fault, too.</p> </div></p> But can we foul him and keep him from making And-1 plays? Plus its not like we have to pick between two extremes. There were plenty of posessions where Collins kept Shaq from scoring the ball.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> excuse me, Shaq made the layups over Collins tonight.</p> Don't say the silly thing, not and 1, then you are happy? I will give you the A+.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> excuse me, Shaq made the layups over Collins tonight.</p> Don't say the silly thing, not and 1, then you are happy? I will give you the A+.</p> </div></p> Not all the layups, jarkid.</p> I started doing this tonight a little bit, and I think I'll continue: making note in a game thread when Collins keeps a prolific post scorer from scoring.</p> Now I don't like Collins, but he's not useless. If you want to knock him, you can't just be blind about it.</p> </p>
<font style="background-color: #d8d0c8">Everyone has their value, but by your standard, Marc Jackson is almost a perfect player.</font></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <font style="background-color: rgb(216, 208, 200);">Everyone has their value, but by your standard, Marc Jackson is almost a perfect player.</font></p> </div></p> How? He wasn't a good post defender</p> edit: also I don't know where you get the idea that being able to be a good post defender is all it takes to be a good player. I very clearly say that I don't like Collins, but he's better than people give him credit for.</p> </p>
This argument is just ridiculous. Jarkid, you are not listening to anything I--or anyone else--is saying. It is truly useless exchanging messages with you.</p>
BecauseI'munwilling to waste my time on you. You like to type the article like your avatar. And a bunch of nonsense.</p> Frank pulls off Collins to the Bench, that's the truth.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <font style="background-color: rgb(216,208,200)">Everyone has their value, but by your standard, Marc Jackson is almost a perfect player.</font></p> </div></p> How? He wasn't a good post defender</p> edit: also I don't know where you get the idea that being able to be a good post defender is all it takes to be a good player. I very clearly say that I don't like Collins, but he's better than people give him credit for.</p> </p> </div></p> In fact, I don't really hate him that much,</p> but the moreyou people defend for him, the more hates to Collinswill promote.</p> The way you defend for him is just not acceptable.</p>