<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> </p> He already uses Collins mostly the way I would use him . . . with just the starting unit . . . I think he is right on with that. My only real change would be to let Krstic play with the reserves--that is, when one or more of Kidd, Carter, and RJ are not in the game--and play Sean with Collins in the starting unit. Krstic would be a force off the bench against backup centers, and would prevent offensive lulls in the second qaurter.</p> </div></p> </p> As long as Carter is hurt, playing Sean and Collins together sounds like it would be a disaster. That might be the easiest defensive game plan in NBA history: stick a man on RJ, help off Kidd and Wright, and just clog the paint. Byron could probably come up with that one on his own.</p> Sean's been putting up good offensive numbers, but I get the impression a lot of that is off putbacks and pick-and-rolls, which I imagine would get less effective if you've got an offensive non-entity like Collins on the floor.</p> I do like the Krstic off the bench idea - him, like Carter and RJ, are more effective on offense with the ball in their hands. Starting Carter and RJ, and then going to Krstic post-ups for 3 of the first 5 possessions is kind of a waste. I'd much rather see that happen at the end of the first quarter, against backups, like you said.</p>
Try putting the pieces together of the Nets front court puzzle so far. - Nets lost Moore in the offseason who filled in well for Krstic last season. But to start this season Krstic has been ineffective and the Nets offensive production has taken a hit because of it.</p> - Magloire and Collins both suck badly on offense. Collins is a good defender on post players and does a decent job on face up big guys as well. Magloire is just an OK post defender and cannot guard face up, perimeter bigmen. But he is a very good rebounder and could be useful against strong rebounding teams like the Cavs if they were to meet up in the playoffs again.</p> - Allen was brought in as a big guy that can shoot the jumpshot but he hasn't done that well yet. Boone hasn't gotten that much court time but he hasn't looked that good in his limited minutes either.</p> - Sean Williams has been amazing for what he has done so fast. He blocks and changes shots. His one on one defense has been decent to. He can't guard really big guys like Howard and Shaq but it looks like he can do a decent job on most of the 4's in the league. And he seems to be getting more comfortable on offense and he can really run the floor well.</p> So does this team need both Magloire and Collins? Should the Nets try trading one of them for a big guy with some offensive skills from a team looking to dump salary? Looking around the league some guys that might be available for trade could be: Troy Murphy Brad Miller Mikki Moore</p> The Kings could be a team that decides to blow it up and Moore and Miller could become available. Murphy has a yucky contract which could be a reason he could be available if the Pacers decide to rebuild. I wouldn't mind having Moore back either. He worked well with Kidd and Carter and can pick and roll and pick and pop. He only has 2 years left on his contract. Mistake to let him go in the first place?</p> A lineup of: Kidd/M.Williams/Armstrong Carter/Wright Jefferson/Nachbar S.Williams/Moore/Boone Krstic/Magloire</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> </p> As long as Carter is hurt, playing Sean and Collins together sounds like it would be a disaster. That might be the easiest defensive game plan in NBA history: stick a man on RJ, help off Kidd and Wright, and just clog the paint. Byron could probably come up with that one on his own.</p> Sean's been putting up good offensive numbers, but I get the impression a lot of that is off putbacks and pick-and-rolls, which I imagine would get less effective if you've got an offensive non-entity like Collins on the floor.</p> </div></p> </p> That's kind of the way I feel about putting Collins on the seond unit: a disaster. I kind of disagree about the effectiveness of putbacks and pick-and-rolls if Collins was in the game, but I'd really like to see it in action, to be honest. Yesterday we did see it, a little bit, for about a minute in the first, a few seconds in the second, and about seven minutes in the fourth, when Sean was 2-2 from the floor, drew three fouls, and picked up three rebounds. Collins is really good at keeping opposing bigs out of the way.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> That's kind of the way I feel about putting Collins on the seond unit: a disaster. I kind of disagree about the effectiveness of putbacks and pick-and-rolls if Collins was in the game, but I'd really like to see it in action, to be honest. Yesterday we did see it, a little bit, for about a minute in the first, a few seconds in the second, and about seven minutes in the fourth, when Sean was 2-2 from the floor, drew three fouls, and picked up three rebounds. Collins is really good at keeping opposing bigs out of the way.</p> </div></p> In that 4th quarter though, Collins didn't really have any impact on Sean Williams offense. He had a pick and roll score with Kidd. And then had a put back dunk when Collins wasn't on the floor. When Williams got to the free throw line it was because he got fouled on postup plays for him. And another time Shaq fouled him on a jumpshot attempt in the lane. But perhaps Collins not being an offensive threat gives more opportunity for Williams to score.</p> </p>
<font style="background-color: #d8d0c8">in the K-Mart Era, Collins wasnot a zero-factor in the offensive end, </font></p> he averaged about 6 points and 5 rebounds, while FG% is about 0.42 and FT% is about 0.75.</p> Sadly, Do we have same Mr.Collins in the team right now?</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <font style="background-color: rgb(216, 208, 200);">in the K-Mart Era, Collins wasnot a zero-factor in the offensive end, </font></p> he averaged about 6 points and 5 rebounds, while FG% is about 0.42 and FT% is about 0.75.</p> Sadly, Do we have same Mr.Collins in the team right now?</p> </div></p> Ding ding ding! The answer is no!</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Downunderwonder)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <font style="background-color: rgb(216, 208, 200);">in the K-Mart Era, Collins wasnot a zero-factor in the offensive end, </font></p> he averaged about 6 points and 5 rebounds, while FG% is about 0.42 and FT% is about 0.75.</p> Sadly, Do we have same Mr.Collins in the team right now?</p> </div></p> Ding ding ding! The answer is no!</p> </div></p> Double ding ding ding!! The point has been raised (and probably rightfully so) that Magloire's production has faded. But the same is to be said for his main competition on the team.</p> </p>
Exactly, Collins was actually a decent offensive option his first couple years heres. He had an OK jumpshot and was much lighter and quicker. It's amazing, you expecta young guys offensive game to improve every year but the opposite has happened with Twin. He is the worst offensive player in the league today.</p>
