I'm no KMart schill. Far from it. Trading him was one of the best moves of the Thorn era.</p> And if you want to ignore a guy who was a major part of Nets history, fine. That's your issue.</p> In reality, he was a shutdown defensive player and he got better as the game went on.</p> Not replacing him was the biggest mistake of the Thorn era. (As has been stated more than once in this thread, he wasn't irreplacable.)</p> The Nets never found anyone to fill his role half as well as he did, and they have not been championship material since.</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I'm no KMart schill. Far from it. Trading him was one of the best moves of the Thorn era.</p> And if you want to ignore a guy who was a major part of Nets history, fine. That's your issue.</p> In reality, he was a shutdown defensive player and he got better as the game went on.</p> Not replacing him was the biggest mistake of the Thorn era. (As has been stated more than once in this thread, he wasn't irreplacable.)</p> The Nets never found anyone to fill his role half as well as he did, and they have not been championship material since.</p> </p> </p> </div></p> </p> True. We used the saved earnings on overpaying both RJ and Twin. Yikes</p> </p>
The point of this thread is for anyone watching the vids to just look at how the team just got out an ran...Kidd RJ and Kenyon, Frank call a set almost all the time...Kidd and RJ want to run like they did before with SWAT it gives Kidd something he hasn't had since Kmart</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> He was overrated. Did he ever make the NBA All-Defensive first team? No. Did he ever make the NBA All-Defensive second team? No. If there was an NBA All-Defensive third team--there isn't, did he ever get enough votes inthe ballotingto make that team? No.</p> People here tend to forget that he was never enamored ofplaying in New Jersey. He feigned injury in his predraft workout, demanded a trade after being offered $66 million BEFORE Ratner owned the team, then loaded up the Nugget contract offer with a maximum signing bonus, a maximumtrade bonus and a demand that he be paid upfront for the entire 2004-05 season.The Nets would have had to pay him $27 million two weeks after he signed in bonuses and salary. He wanted out. He wanted to be The Man. He played it like a mercenary. Mercenaries don't demand loyalty.</p> I could give a shit about him.</p> </p> </div></p> Damn. This might be the first time I've heard criticism of KMart that actually sticks with me. Shoot, I'd rep' you if I could</p> </p> </div></p> Agreed. Perfectly said.</p> Oh yeah...</p> </p> </div></p> Yikes. First Kenyon Martin fans owned, then Kenyon Martin owned. Multiple times. Today must be a bad day to be a Kenyon Martin fan.</p> <font size="4"><u>1/25/06</u></font></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (paulvard)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Kidd should work hard with Shaun Williams as far as timing and coordination. The Kid is better than Martin during his rookie year. Last night against Miami Kidd has so many turnovers and he looks sloppy. The thing with Williams is he does not have to jump so high like Martin because of his extraordinary long wing span.</p> </div></p> and the scary part about sean is that he can jump just as high as kmart. I see this kids head almost hitting the damn rim! WTF and he's 6-8, 230, 4% body fat! Thats nuts because if this freak gets better overall he could be close to unstoppable!</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> He was overrated. Did he ever make the NBA All-Defensive first team? No. Did he ever make the NBA All-Defensive second team? No. If there was an NBA All-Defensive third team--there isn't, did he ever get enough votes inthe ballotingto make that team? No.</p> People here tend to forget that he was never enamored ofplaying in New Jersey. He feigned injury in his predraft workout, demanded a trade after being offered $66 million BEFORE Ratner owned the team, then loaded up the Nugget contract offer with a maximum signing bonus, a maximumtrade bonus and a demand that he be paid upfront for the entire 2004-05 season.The Nets would have had to pay him $27 million two weeks after he signed in bonuses and salary. He wanted out. He wanted to be The Man. He played it like a mercenary. Mercenaries don't demand loyalty.</p> I could give a shit about him.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> You make some good points in reference to how K-Mart played free agency. He might have said he loved playing with Kidd, but he certainly wasn't willing to take a pay cut to do so.</p> Using All-Defensive teams to judge how good players are defensively is kind of silly. Kidd wins it every year, and we've all seen quick guards blow by him on a night-by-night basis. Plus, for forwards, it's much harder to get recognition if you're not racking up statistics - if Marion wasn't such a ridiculous rebounder, he probably wouldn't be winning it either.</p> But even beyond man defense, the most important thing that Martin brought to the team was intensity. That's why people like cpaw and myself pine for K-Mart and trash Vince - because even though Vince is a better player who, in all likelyhood, gives us a better chance to win, K-Mart gave a shit, and Vince doesn't. That's why it's been so hard to trade one in for the other.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> That's why people like cpaw and myself pine for K-Mart and trash Vince - because even though Vince is a better player who, in all likelyhood, gives us a better chance to win, K-Mart gave a shit, and Vince doesn't. That's why it's been so hard to trade one in for the other.</p> </div></p> Don't toss me under that bus.</p> I don't, nor ever have, pined for Kenyon on the Nets since the day of the trade. As for Vince, my comments about him revolve around one central point, he isn't as good as some of his fans think he is.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> How was KMart as a perimeter defender his sophomore year at Cincinnati?</p> </div></p> </p> Quite good actually</p>
