Slump Killing Bosh

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  1. Hunter

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    As the Raptors were coughing up an 88-80 three-quarter lead, held to a miserable 12 points in the fourth quarter by what is statistically the worst defence in the NBA, Chris Bosh went missing, with three points in 10 minutes.</p>

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    "Same old, same old," he said when asked to assess his own performance. "Nothing new. I haven't progressed yet.</p>

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    "I'm happy that I did rebound the ball a little bit better today and I have to build on that, just take a positive out of this right now and try to go on."</p>

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    Make no mistake, this funk or slump or whatever it is, is killing him. -- <font color="#000000">Toronto Star</font></p>

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  2. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    I hope he doesn't consider the Indiana game a bad shooting. He may have shot 5/15 (I think), but the majority of those misses resulted in a foul and a trip to the free throw line. I don't care about his percentages as long as he's getting to the line consistently.</p>
     
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    He broke out of a three game skid without 10+ rebounds last night with eleven boards. While it's not the 15 he's capable of, it's something.</p>
     
  4. shookem

    shookem Still not a bust

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    I'm sure Bosh isn't taking the start of the season lightly and you gotta think he's doing everything he can think of to get back to speed. It'll happen, I think we where all hoping for a quick start to the season but in typical Raps fashion, it always takes awhile.</p>
     
  5. MosDefinitely

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    My problem with Bosh is in pretty much all of the games this season he starts off slow the entire game and doesnt demand the ball as much as he should and TJ then just goes off and tries taking over games. Then when we have to fight back to win the game in the 4th Bosh starts driving to the paint and being more aggressive on the offensive glass which he did last night but only in the 4th, I wish he had that same intensity throughout the entire game but I know its hard to maintain it for a full 48 minutes but looking at him play in some games he is really non-existant through 3.</p>
     
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    They need to get Bargnani back in the starting lineup. He hasn't been the same since Mitchell benched him in favor of Rasho and now Maceo. Bargnani had one bad shooting game against Boston and wound up with the 2nd unit. Ridiculous decision by Mitchell.</p>

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    All in favour of the original starting line-up that included Ford, Bosh, Parker, Garbajosa and Nesterovic (when he's recovered from injury) please stand up.</p>
     
  8. Master Shake

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    I'm not standing up just yet. While Rasho is injured, we need someone there. You start Bargnani and see how it goes. However, you forget to see how Moon spreads the floor. He gives us that athletic threat that we miss since Carter in his late Raptor years. If you read the other article, Sam Mitchell needs to make a better play book and not keep running what he did last year. I like the Ford - Parker - Moon - Bosh - Bargnani lineup. Then off the bench you have Calderon - Kapono - Delfino - Garbo - Baston. Then you have Humphries at times, it works.</p>
     
  9. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    [sits down] I agree with Shape, in that benching Andrea really was a terrible decision. Sure we may have improved the rebounding a bit for now, but you're sacrificing the long-term development of the Bargnani-Bosh duo and its clear that he's out of his rhythm coming off the bench. My ideal starting lineup is still TJ Ford-Anthony Parker-Carlos Delfino-Chris Bosh-Andrea Bargnani. I don't really have a problem with Jamario Moon as a starter because he's just so athletic and he hustles on defense, but Delf stretches the floor more and is a more consistent offensive threat.

    My main problem with Bosh is that, with an offense that relies so much on motion, he can be a bit of a 'black hole' at times. He's just far too slow and indecisive when he gets the ball in an iso situation. Chris needs to be more aware of where everybody on the court is before he gets the ball, so that he can quickly decide whether or not he's going to take his man. Most of the time, the D has enough time to smother him. I'd be fine if he did that intentionally to try and free up a shooter/cutter (eg: that beautiful pass, where he drew Baron Davis off of TJ), but for the most part it looks like he spends a couple seconds holding the ball, sizing up his defender, and is forced into a rushed pass when they collapse on him (which pften leads to a turnover).

    One of the main reasons that's become such a problem with him is because we insist on only utilizing him in isolation or high pick and roll situations. He's an athletic player who could be very dangerous if he moved off the ball as well.</p>
     
  10. MosDefinitely

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    I dont mind Bargnani coming off the bench at all as long as he gets the minutes, against Golden State I thought he had a great bounce back game but I would have loved to see him get a little bit more minutes as he was making good decisions and hitting the shots he usually makes but for some reason Mitchell yanked him out with 10 minutes left in the 4th. As for Moon I really like his athleticism and his defensive play but I really dont like him playign so much minutes, he still looks a little lost in our offense at times and his jump shot is questionable even when open look. Anyone feel the same way about Moon, like I really thought 37 minutes was alot against GSW on Sunday for Moon, I would be more comfortable if he played mid 20s.</p>
     
  11. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    Moon might be suffering from 'Kris Humphries syndrome.' I think he's a valuable player and you could justify playing him that many minutes against GS, because he's a good perimeter defender and he has the athleticism, speed, and hustle to keep up with their wing players. However, I thought he took far too many shots last night, considering how shaky his long-range shooting is. I know he was open at times, but a lot of the time he should either pass it off or take a page from Garbo's book (last year's Garbo) and stick within his range. I mean, they're usually leaving him open for a reason.</p>
     
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    Yeah Moon definitley fit the style of play for last nights game against GSW but he played the entire 4th quarter, yes he had great blocks and nice dunks but we needed someone who could be instant offence and Kapono and Bargnani would be perfect players to finish out the game. I just really think Moon is playing at a high right now and at some point during the season Moon will come crashing down to Earth, I would really like to see BC make a package deal because as the season progresses we cant keep the players fighting for minutes.</p>
     
  13. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    I can kind of agree with the offense aspect. At some point last night, when we couldn't buy a bucket, Mitchell probably should've sucked it up and just tried to put his best offensive weapons out there.

    However, I don't see the point of trading him. We got tremendous value with him (the dude's paid next to nothing in terms of NBA salaries) and he really provides a dynamic that this team's lacked for a while.</p>
     
  14. Master Shake

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    Whoever said trade him, why? He does so much, for so little. He is a diamond in the rough, and to trade a guy like him, stupid. Plus, GM's arn't stupid you know. They will offer a second round pick and some last guy on the bench, so why even offer. Keep Moon, he will have a great career.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    I can kind of agree with the offense aspect. At some point last night, when we couldn't buy a bucket, Mitchell probably should've sucked it up and just tried to put his best offensive weapons out there.

    However, I don't see the point of trading him. We got tremendous value with him (the dude's paid next to nothing in terms of NBA salaries) and he really provides a dynamic that this team's lacked for a while.</p>

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    Thats true if we trade him we wouldnt be able to get much in return because no other player that I can think of makes basically the league min and has that big of an impact on the game. But I was just considering packaging some of our players like maybe Dixon, Humphries and another filler to get someone decent but it was just a thought, having depth problems is always good.</p>

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  16. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    Yep. There's nothing wrong with being too deep. Besides, the problems we've had our really related to our "core" as opposed to our role players. Bargnani, Bosh, and Ford have all been unimpressive at various times and it seems like we can't get a consistent effort out of all them in any single game.</p>
     

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