The 'Ya Never Know' Department Everyone (including me) was certain in the off season that the Nets had made a mistake in not making the 2006 Draft Night deal in which Richard Jefferson would have been sent to the Bulls for Luol Deng and a pick, either the Bulls pick at #4 or #16. The Nets wanted #4. Bulls were offering #16.</p> Right now, I am not sure that even if the Nets convinced the Bulls to give them Tyrus Thomas along with Deng, it would have been that good of a deal.</p> Deng has been one of the biggest individual disappointments in the NBA, averaging 14.6 and 6.0, while RJ is averaging 10 more points and .7 fewer rebounds. Deng's excuses are that he has been distracted by the Kobe trade rumors and/or his contract negotiations. If that is really true, he has a lot more maturing to do.</p> Meanwhile, Thomas, born one month before Sean Williams, is not playing like an overall #4 pick. In every key category but rebounding, Williams is putting up better numbers. In rebounding, we are talking about a .4 per game difference while playing two more minutes a game. In scoring, it's 8.9 to 6.9, in rebounding, it's 4.6 to 5.0, in shot-blocking it's 2.2 to 1.0, in shooting percentage it's 62.8% to 43.9%, in free throw shooting, it's 70.3% to 47.8%. Nets would not have taken Williams if they had picked up Thomas. ESPN has a story this morning suggesting Thomas could be a bust.</p> Simultaneously, the Nets were trying that night to trade their two first round picks for Seattle's pick at #10 so they could take either Hilton Armstrong or Saer Sene. Seattle almost pulled the trigger but was unsure that the swingman they really liked, Shannon Brown, would be available at #22 or #23. Even with Boone's inconsistency, that deal would have sucked. (Might have sucked for Seattle too!) So writes Filip Bondy in the epilogue to his new book on the 1984 draft, Tip-Off.</p> </p> </p>
Re: The interesting. I'm glad things turned out the way they have...although Deng/Kidd would have been interesting to see.
Re: The 'Ya Never Know' Department <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> The Nets wanted Saer Sene? Eww</p> </div></p> In addition to the book, here's what Stefanski wrote about Sene the day before the draft: "Saer Sene, the kid from Senegal, has a wingspan that is an incredible 7’8. He’s going to be an NBA shot blocker. Will he be on the board? Could he fall to 22, 23? That would be somebody we’d consider."</p> http://www.nba.com/nets/features/stefanski_blog.html</p> </p>
Re: The Thomas would be amazing with Kidd.</p> Saying Thomas hasn't lived up to being the #4 pick isn't entirely accurate.</p> He had a 21 point 12 rebound 2 steal 3 block game, and then against the Pistons a 19 point 14 rebound 2 steals 2 block game....and after that Pistons game, Skiles for some reason decided to bench Tyrus...and it obviously was a dumb decision. We have an average loss of 6.3 points per a game when Tyrus plays more than 20 minutes, and an average loss of 15 points per game (and thats with a blowout win in the Bulls favor factored in).</p>
Re: The <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Obviously, Paxson wouldn't and didn't make the proposed trade.</p> </p> </div></p> Obviously, he called Stefanski and as noted, they disagreed over the picks to be included.</p> </p>
Re: The <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BG7 Lavigne)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Thomas would be amazing with Kidd.</p> Saying Thomas hasn't lived up to being the #4 pick isn't entirely accurate.</p> He had a 21 point 12 rebound 2 steal 3 block game, and then against the Pistons a 19 point 14 rebound 2 steals 2 block game....and after that Pistons game, Skiles for some reason decided to bench Tyrus...and it obviously was a dumb decision. We have an average loss of 6.3 points per a game when Tyrus plays more than 20 minutes, and an average loss of 15 points per game (and thats with a blowout win in the Bulls favor factored in).</p> </div></p> So what...one or two games hardly presents a valid argument in this case. I refer you to ESPN this morning on the subject.</p> For comparison, Sean Williams had a 22 point, 8 rebound, 2 block, 2 steal gave against Miami.</p> </p> </p>
Re: The <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Where the hell is Saer Sene ?</p> </div></p> </p> In the NBDL (He was drafted by the Sonics at #10).</p>
Re: The It's still hard to judge trades, when you haven't tossed in the Kidd effect. These are 2 runners to put alongside Kidd. Those mental aspects of going hard after that loose rebound, knowing you will finish with a dunk at the other end are some of the things you can't judge on the stat sheet. Skiles has a way of belittling rookies and highlighting mistakes. Skiles is not a good coach after the first 2-3 seasons. His message is worn out.</p>
Re: The <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> The Nets wanted Saer Sene? Eww</p> </div></p> </p> Hilton Armstrong isn't exactly tearing it up in the NBA either.</p>
Re: The Neither one is as good as Boone. He has been working very hard on his jumpshot.</p> He will be a great player. Have faith. If only Lawrence F*** would play him and not that bum cowlins he is a bum.</p> I talkde to Josh yesterday. He is very fed up with not playing time. This is a waste of his talents.</p> I think Boone average 22 pts 9 rbs 2 block shots.</p> [/quote]</p>
Re: The ^ That's cause hes our David lee. Believe me when Marcus gets back they'll be like peanu butter ang elly.
Re: The [quote name='GMJigga']</p> Neither one is as good as Boone. He has been working very hard on his jumpshot.</p> He will be a great player. Have faith. If only Lawrence F*** would play him and not that bum cowlins he is a bum.</p> I talkde to Josh yesterday. He is very fed up with not playing time. This is a waste of his talents.</p> I think Boone average 22 pts 9 rbs 2 block shots.</p> [/quote]</p> [/QUOTE]</p> What is happening here?</p> PS: Hilton is probably at least as good as Boone.</p> </p>
Re: The <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jerkstore)</div><div class='quotemain'>^ That's cause hes our David lee. Believe me when Marcus gets back they'll be like peanu butter ang elly.</div></p> YOu know nothing about basketball David Lee went to Duke he is a system player (insert personal attack) (insert personal attack)</p> I talked to Josh today and he confirms</p> </p>
Re: The Josh Boone shoould be in our starting lineup...period if we gave him 30 minutes a game he would average aournd 15 points and 7.5 rebounds a game easily...potentially a double double...he's got a high ceiling and is better than every big not named sean williams. Nenad still needs more time for recovery.</p>
Re: The [quote name='GMJigga']</p> Neither one is as good as Boone. He has been working very hard on his jumpshot.</p> He will be a great player. Have faith. If only Lawrence F*** would play him and not that bum cowlins he is a bum.</p> I talkde to Josh yesterday. He is very fed up with not playing time. This is a waste of his talents.</p> I think Boone average 22 pts 9 rbs 2 block shots.</p> [/quote]</p> [/QUOTE]</p> you are a scholar and a gentleman Sir.</p> </p>
Re: The <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> PS: Hilton is probably at least as good as Boone.</p> </div></p> Paris Hilton? Wha--? Wow, I need more sleep.</p> </p>
Re: The <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jerkstore)</div><div class='quotemain'>^ That's cause hes our David lee. Believe me when Marcus gets back they'll be like peanu butter ang elly.</div></p> YOu know nothing about basketball David Lee went to Duke he is a system player (insert personal attack) (insert personal attack)</p> I talked to Josh today and he confirms</p> </p></div> davidleedidntgotodukehewenttoanothergreatteamthefloridagatorsunderbillyd.</p>
