<span class="text">"Sean Williams is a beast. If you haven’t seen him play yet, try and catch him, and not just for fantasy-junkie purposes. The best part is that, as Marv Albert and Mark Jackson were discussing in last night’s broadcast against the Lakers, he’s really only about 6″8."</span></p> http://slamonline.com/online/2007/11/league-pass-thoughts-2/</p> Thoughts anyone? He does seem kinda smaller then 6'10, though I wouldn't really know considering I'm watching my games on a window that's about 3 inches wide. Shaq looks like a fat midget.</p>
That sounds pretty dead on based on how he looks standing next to other players. There are times when he's running though he looks 7 feet tall but most of that is just how long he is.</p>
Yesterday, I watched the game, he is as tall as Odom. And Odom is 6-10.</p> I think Sean doesn't have a wide shoulder so you think he is too small.</p>
i'd say 6' 9", its obvious he isn't 6' 10" but i think 6' 8" is just too short when you compare him to other players.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I think Boki is a legit 6'9", and Collins is 6' 11", so let's see how he looks compared to them.</p> </div></p> </p> I don't know what to believe, but Net Income insists that the europeans don't lie about such things and that Boki is listed at 6'9"by his national team.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I think Boki is a legit 6'9", and Collins is 6' 11", so let's see how he looks compared to them.</p> </div></p> </p> I don't know what to believe, but Net Income insists that the europeans don't lie about such things and that Boki is listed at 6'9"by his national team.</p> </div></p> That's why I chose those two players. I am pretty sure those heights are accurate.</p> If he's closer to Collins' height, I'll go with 6'10". If he looks equal to Boki, 6'9".</p> Either way, I think Wiliams has enough height to be a legitimate inside player in the NBA. His arms are truly freakish.</p> He's still very young, too. When his body fills out, he will be extremely strong. He's already stronger than he looks.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I think Boki is a legit 6'9", and Collins is 6' 11", so let's see how he looks compared to them.</p> </div></p> </p> I don't know what to believe, but Net Income insists that the europeans don't lie about such things and that Boki is listed at 6'9"by his national team.</p> </div></p> That's why I chose those two players. I am pretty sure those heights are accurate.</p> If he's closer to Collins' height, I'll go with 6'10". If he looks equal to Boki, 6'9".</p> Either way, I think Wiliams has enough height to be a legitimate inside player in the NBA. His arms are truly freakish.</p> He's still very young, too. When his body fills out, he will be extremely strong. He's already stronger than he looks.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> However, the shoes can make a difference of up to 1/2 or even 3/4 inches. Remember, pre-draftevery yearthe top prospectsare measured both with and without shoes, and the discrepency varies greatly from player to player.</p> as for sean--I'm seriously concerned that the Nets will so stress gaining weight and muscle that he'll lose some of his vertical leap and the speed with which he gets off the ground. I'm very worried about that. Runners know that for every extra pound you weigh, it puts between two and three times as much weight on each foot and leg when you run, depending on the mechanics of your particular stride. And part of Sean's game right now is powering towards the basket from behind the free-throw line and just rising above everyone for a dunk. He could lose that explosiveness if he gains ten or fifteen pounds.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> However, the shoes can make a difference of up to 1/2 or even 3/4 inches. Remember, pre-draftevery yearthe top prospectsare measured both with and without shoes, and the discrepency varies greatly from player to player.</p> as for sean--I'm seriously concerned that the Nets will so stress gaining weight and muscle that he'll lose some of his vertical leap and the speed with which he gets off the ground. I'm very worried about that. Runners know that for every extra pound you weigh, it puts between two and three times as much weight on each foot and leg when you run, depending on the mechanics of your particular stride. And part of Sean's game right now is powering towards the basket from behind the free-throw line and just rising above everyone for a dunk. He could lose that explosiveness if he gains ten or fifteen pounds.</p> </div></p> If management hasn't learned a lesson from RJ's weight gains and it's effects on his athleticism/game then they should be smacked in the head. Nenad and Mile are two other examples too to a degree where the weight they put on affected them and hurt their moveability and recovery from injuries as well. Every rook needs to put on some muscle, but ghoti hit it right on the head, he's stronger than he looks as seen in some of his boxouts on Bynum last game. Sean can lose a tiny bit of his out of the box athletisim for muscle and still be heads and tails above 99% of the NBA's bigmen but I agree whole heartedly that if he goes nuts (a la Greg Oden) it will hinder him more than help. If he naturally and slowly builds up his strength throughout the course of his career he'll be a monster like a Dwight Howard and Josh Smith where the muscle they have put on hasn't taken anything away from their strengths or athleticism.</p> </p>
[quote name='Dumpy']</p> [quote name='ghoti']</p> [quote name='Dumpy']</p> [quote name='ghoti']</p> I think Boki is a legit 6'9", and Collins is 6' 11", so let's see how he looks compared to them.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> as for sean--I'm seriously concerned that the Nets will so stress gaining weight and muscle that he'll lose some of his vertical leap and the speed with which he gets off the ground. I'm very worried about that. Runners know that for every extra pound you weigh, it puts between two and three times as much weight on each foot and leg when you run, depending on the mechanics of your particular stride. And part of Sean's game right now is powering towards the basket from behind the free-throw line and just rising above everyone for a dunk. He could lose that explosiveness if he gains ten or fifteen pounds.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> I think you're confusing explosiveness with agility. Usually when you put on muscle that's what you lose. I have a friend who is 5'11 and weighs around 225. His benchpress is somewhere around 350 so he's a bulky guy. But he has a 36 inch vertical, can almost dunk. The lateral quickness though, is a little suspect. That's the problem. But here's a guy whose natural weight is at most around 180. Sean would have to go up to over 280 pounds to put on a prortionately equal amount of muscle. I don't know if 10 or 15 is going to make much of a difference.</p> For a gaurd or small forward, yeah, it would. You would have trouble keeping up with guys on the perimiter and beating them off the dribble. But as a big man ateral quickness isn't as important since most PF/C in this league A) don't have great ball skills, are comparatively slow. Ben Wallace was ripped but that didn't seem to hurt him much.</p> </p>
[quote name='rollydog']</p> [quote name='Dumpy']</p> [quote name='ghoti']</p> [quote name='Dumpy']</p> [quote name='ghoti']</p> I think Boki is a legit 6'9", and Collins is 6' 11", so let's see how he looks compared to them.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> as for sean--I'm seriously concerned that the Nets will so stress gaining weight and muscle that he'll lose some of his vertical leap and the speed with which he gets off the ground. I'm very worried about that. Runners know that for every extra pound you weigh, it puts between two and three times as much weight on each foot and leg when you run, depending on the mechanics of your particular stride. And part of Sean's game right now is powering towards the basket from behind the free-throw line and just rising above everyone for a dunk. He could lose that explosiveness if he gains ten or fifteen pounds.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> I think you're confusing explosiveness with agility. Usually when you put on muscle that's what you lose. I have a friend who is 5'11 and weighs around 225. His benchpress is somewhere around 350 so he's a bulky guy. But he has a 36 inch vertical, can almost dunk. The lateral quickness though, is a little suspect. That's the problem. But here's a guy whose natural weight is at most around 180. Sean would have to go up to over 280 pounds to put on a prortionately equal amount of muscle. I don't know if 10 or 15 is going to make much of a difference.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> In my opinion, there is probably a difference between a pure vertical leap--that is, from a standing position--and jumping off on foot while on the run. With the second, the key is that your muscles and tendons have to absorb the additional stress due to landing before you can push off. I hope that makes sense. For someone like Shaq, whose dunks are mostly from standing under the basket and just jumping into the air, I agree that there would be little difference. When Sean runs, he has a loping stride where he bounces up into the air and back down again, and I think he'd lose some of that bounce. Strap a SCUBA belt on your waist with about 15 pounds of weight, run around a bit,and see if you disagree. I recommend wrapping your hips with some pretty serious padding, though.</p>
[quote name='Dumpy']</p> [quote name='ghoti']</p> [quote name='Dumpy']</p> [quote name='ghoti']</p> I think Boki is a legit 6'9", and Collins is 6' 11", so let's see how he looks compared to them.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> I don't know what to believe, but Net Income insists that the europeans don't lie about such things and that Boki is listed at 6'9"by his national team.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> That's why I chose those two players. I am pretty sure those heights are accurate.</p> If he's closer to Collins' height, I'll go with 6'10". If he looks equal to Boki, 6'9".</p> Either way, I think Wiliams has enough height to be a legitimate inside player in the NBA. His arms are truly freakish.</p> He's still very young, too. When his body fills out, he will be extremely strong. He's already stronger than he looks.</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> However, the shoes can make a difference of up to 1/2 or even 3/4 inches. Remember, pre-draftevery yearthe top prospectsare measured both with and without shoes, and the discrepency varies greatly from player to player.</p> as for sean--I'm seriously concerned that the Nets will so stress gaining weight and muscle that he'll lose some of his vertical leap and the speed with which he gets off the ground. I'm very worried about that. Runners know that for every extra pound you weigh, it puts between two and three times as much weight on each foot and leg when you run, depending on the mechanics of your particular stride. And part of Sean's game right now is powering towards the basket from behind the free-throw line and just rising above everyone for a dunk. He could lose that explosiveness if he gains ten or fifteen pounds.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> I agree. I think his frame is better suited to being lean.</p> As he gets older, he'll naturally start to fill out and get bigger. There's no need to rush it or do anything to slow him down.</p> His body is one of the best things about him. It was made to play basketball.</p> </p>
My only point is that when you add muscle, you are in effect adding explosiveness. It's like putting a hundred pound weight in a car and then turbochargin the engine. The only thing that's going to change is maneuverability.</p> I agree it would be one thing if he just worked on his upper body, but nobody does that these days.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I agree. I think his frame is better suited to being lean.</p> As he gets older, he'll naturally start to fill out and get bigger. There's no need to rush it or do anything to slow him down.</p> His body is one of the best things about him. It was made to play basketball.</p> </div></p> Sean's problem is that since he's a relatively unskilled post player, he's going to be called on to gaurd big guys, often the opposing teams centers, because Frank will want to use him with a finesse player like Nachbar. If you've ever played bball you know what it's like to gaurd a post player who is stronger and bigger than you. Fronting the post is not a permenanet solution. If I were Jackson I would have ordered them to give the ball to Bynum every possession. Maybe Williams gets his hand on a pass or two or the ball sails over Bynums hands, but the rest of the time it's going to be an easy dunk or a foul on Sean.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> 7'8</p> </div></p> </p> please refer to my avatar.</p> <==</p> He is much taller than KG.. LOL</p>
He is only 21, I hope he can keepgrowing upin his stature.</p> When he is 23, he is 6-11 without shoes, and 300 pounds, while averaging 18 pts 12 rebounds and 4 blks.</p>
