Is it time to fire frank? and why?</p> My opinion is that we havent made much noise in the playoffs and in the season for that matter,for far too long.We should be a contender each and every year with the star power we have but, our coach always seems make bone headed moves (Carters PT in Detroit game, Pulling SWAT in hornets game). It's time we have a coach that says something to our players,that are not playing well rather then just looking away. The line-up juggling is not working for me it doesnt allow are players to get in a rythm.</p> My Opinion: Fire Frank</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Frank has done a good job with poorly constructed teams.</p> Fire the front office.</p> </div></p> Right on.</p> Frank is not completely to blame for the playoff losses. We faced a Heat team who were champs and matched up terribly against. We could have won the Cavs series but our frontcourt depth was terrible.</p> </p> This year, key players are not playing up to par(Magloire and Nachbar) and only three or four guys on the team bother to play defense(Kidd, Sean, Collins, and Wright). What Frank can really be blamed for this season is the first half droughts and some of the weird rotations. Everything else is basically the players' fault whether it be not playing as expected or injuries. Also, i pose this question again: Who would even replace Frank? Name two to three candidates in the coaching pool that are better than Frank yet do not have a job.</p> Jeff Van Gundy- Hell he is another Frank Stan Van Gundy- Frank is arguably better</p> </p> Plus, so many of you are angry because you are disappointed that this is not an elite team even though in the offseason many of you thought so. And sometimes getting a good coach does not solve anything. Look at the Knicks during the one year they had Larry Brown as head coach. sure, he was slightly insane, but the players never listened which only added more to the mess.</p> </p>
I can't quote with this browser, but +1 to cpawfan's post. Has your opinion on this changed somewhat over time, cpawfan? I remember saying this and you were kind of half-and-half on it a while back.
The team isn't built poorly. I suppose most of your are alluding to the fact that its not a jason-kidd-running-team, but the pieces to play that style are there.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Fire Frank and the front office.</p> </div></p> </p> agreed.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'>I can't quote with this browser, but +1 to cpawfan's post. Has your opinion on this changed somewhat over time, cpawfan? I remember saying this and you were kind of half-and-half on it a while back.</div></p> I haven't been a fan of the front office for years. Outside of 4 big trades (Kidd to NJ, RJ draft day deal, 3 first round picks for Kenyon and the Vince trade) I find them to be below average.</p> My problems with Frank were two fold. One area was player management (how he handled certain players, how he underused young players and how he overused others that weren't competent). The other was his micromanaging of everything. As the years have gone on, he has improved in both areas. He is a solid and improving NBA coach, but there are still areas where I'd like to see him do a better job.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'>I can't quote with this browser, but +1 to cpawfan's post. Has your opinion on this changed somewhat over time, cpawfan? I remember saying this and you were kind of half-and-half on it a while back.</div></p> I haven't been a fan of the front office for years. Outside of 4 big trades (Kidd to NJ, RJ draft day deal, 3 first round picks for Kenyon and the Vince trade) I find them to be below average.</p> My problems with Frank were two fold. One area was player management (how he handled certain players, how he underused young players and how he overused others that weren't competent). The other was his micromanaging of everything. As the years have gone on, he has improved in both areas. He is a solid and improving NBA coach, but there are still areas where I'd like to see him do a better job.</p> </p> </div></p> Rep if i could.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> The team isn't built poorly. I suppose most of your are alluding to the fact that its not a jason-kidd-running-team, but the pieces to play that style are there.</p> </div></p> Hell, even Hollinger is pointing out that it is a poorly constructed team. You have to be pretty damn blind to think otherwise.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'>I can't quote with this browser, but +1 to cpawfan's post. Has your opinion on this changed somewhat over time, cpawfan? I remember saying this and you were kind of half-and-half on it a while back.</div></p> I haven't been a fan of the front office for years. Outside of 4 big trades (Kidd to NJ, RJ draft day deal, 3 first round picks for Kenyon and the Vince trade) I find them to be below average.</p> My problems with Frank were two fold. One area was player management (how he handled certain players, how he underused young players and how he overused others that weren't competent). The other was his micromanaging of everything. As the years have gone on, he has improved in both areas. He is a solid and improving NBA coach, but there are still areas where I'd like to see him do a better job.</p> </div></p> </p> Are you sure? I've seen minimal improvemant in all of those areas you named. See: use of Sean, Malik, Vince, Antoine, Gill.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'>I can't quote with this browser, but +1 to cpawfan's post. Has your opinion on this changed somewhat over time, cpawfan? I remember saying this and you were kind of half-and-half on it a while back.</div></p> I haven't been a fan of the front office for years. Outside of 4 big trades (Kidd to NJ, RJ draft day deal, 3 first round picks for Kenyon and the Vince trade) I find them to be below average.</p> My problems with Frank were two fold. One area was player management (how he handled certain players, how he underused young players and how he overused others that weren't competent). The other was his micromanaging of everything. As the years have gone on, he has improved in both areas. He is a solid and improving NBA coach, but there are still areas where I'd like to see him do a better job.</p> </div></p> </p> Are you sure? I've seen minimal improvemant in all of those areas you named. See: use of Sean, Malik, Vince, Antoine, Gill.</p> </div></p> cpaw still mad at the zoran incident xD</p> But he has definitely improved when it comes to playing the young guys.</p> </p>
[quote name='L']</p> [quote name='peg182']</p> [quote name='cpawfan']</p> [quote name='ghoti']I can't quote with this browser, but +1 to cpawfan's post. Has your opinion on this changed somewhat over time, cpawfan? I remember saying this and you were kind of half-and-half on it a while back.[/QUOTE]</p> I haven't been a fan of the front office for years. Outside of 4 big trades (Kidd to NJ, RJ draft day deal, 3 first round picks for Kenyon and the Vince trade) I find them to be below average.</p> My problems with Frank were two fold. One area was player management (how he handled certain players, how he underused young players and how he overused others that weren't competent). The other was his micromanaging of everything. As the years have gone on, he has improved in both areas. He is a solid and improving NBA coach, but there are still areas where I'd like to see him do a better job.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> Are you sure? I've seen minimal improvemant in all of those areas you named. See: use of Sean, Malik, Vince, Antoine, Gill.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> cpaw still mad at the zoran incident xD</p> But he has definitely improved when it comes to playing the young guys.</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> Well, our best big is a young guy. And frank decided to only play him 3 minutes last night in the first half (when we needed him, and when he was playing well) and 19 total. Meanwhile, Malik, our worst big, gets 24. With non-existent defense.</p> And then, we got Kidd playing 34 minutes. We finally have a point guard who can actually play some defense, and what happens? we barely play him.</p> And his game plans and play calling is mind-boggling.</p>
[quote name='peg182']</p> [quote name='L']</p> [quote name='peg182']</p> [quote name='cpawfan']</p> [quote name='ghoti']I can't quote with this browser, but +1 to cpawfan's post. Has your opinion on this changed somewhat over time, cpawfan? I remember saying this and you were kind of half-and-half on it a while back.[/QUOTE]</p> I haven't been a fan of the front office for years. Outside of 4 big trades (Kidd to NJ, RJ draft day deal, 3 first round picks for Kenyon and the Vince trade) I find them to be below average.</p> My problems with Frank were two fold. One area was player management (how he handled certain players, how he underused young players and how he overused others that weren't competent). The other was his micromanaging of everything. As the years have gone on, he has improved in both areas. He is a solid and improving NBA coach, but there are still areas where I'd like to see him do a better job.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> Are you sure? I've seen minimal improvemant in all of those areas you named. See: use of Sean, Malik, Vince, Antoine, Gill.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> cpaw still mad at the zoran incident xD</p> But he has definitely improved when it comes to playing the young guys.</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> </p> Well, our best big is a young guy. And frank decided to only play him 3 minutes last night in the first half (when we needed him, and when he was playing well) and 19 total. Meanwhile, Malik, our worst big, gets 24. With non-existent defense.</p> And then, we got Kidd playing 34 minutes. We finally have a point guard who can actually play some defense, and what happens? we barely play him.</p> And his game plans and play calling is mind-boggling.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> kidd playing 34 minutes is actually very good compared to the 38+ he plays nearly every night. But dont overrate Gill. He plays average defense, everything else he does is crap.</p> </p> but I agree with you concerning the rotations. some are real head scratchers.</p>
I agree that Frank is improving, but I wonder if this "improvement" doesn't directly correlate to a reduction of Jason Kidd's influence in the organization. I think there would be more "improvement" without the influence of the current front office.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> The team isn't built poorly. I suppose most of your are alluding to the fact that its not a jason-kidd-running-team, but the pieces to play that style are there.</p> </div></p> Hell, even Hollinger is pointing out that it is a poorly constructed team. You have to be pretty damn blind to think otherwise.</p> </p> </div></p> haha, why because Hollinger thinks so? There have been some roster moves that I don't agree with, but the team can play well when everyone's healthy or not in a temporary slump.</p> </p>
Some Nets fans are depressed, the reason is not that this team is not the elite team, they are even not the mediocre team, we can say they are the worst team in the NBA, not emotionally to say about this.</p> Even Sixers or Blazers have the better consistent offensive game than the Nets.</p> Can you name the other teams which have 2 or 3 All-Star players, but they always struggle with the offensive game and could be down by 20 easily every night.</p> Somebody said Lawrence Frank is okay, it's hard to coach a team with a crappy roster. But You have Kidd, Carter, Jefferson, Magloire, at least four all-star caliber players. Sean Williams the top rookie of the strong draftin 2007, Do you really believe thatit's all FRONT OFFICE's fault, or players' fault?</p> OK, you say the players play like a crap, but why don't you say the midget coach can not lead them mentally? In my opinion, Lawrence Frank is not a coach that would make your confidence bigger ! He only makes your confidence to be lower and lower. That's why our bench players are very very inconsistent. Let's see Magloire who is very very depressing on the bench !</p> A good coach could make their players out of their mind, but Frank does it contrarily. His decision making and rotation making are really terrible, and terrible.</p> In fact, I am giving up on this team now, this team can not even pass the 1st round in the playoffs.</p> All I could say is that this is very regrettable for the Nets in the history, the Nets finally have 2 great players like Kidd, and Carter, but the front office and coach kill them, oh, including the fans that defend for the coach.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Some Nets fans are depressed, the reason is not that this team is not the elite team, they are even not the mediocre team, we can say they are the worst team in the NBA, not emotionally to say about this.</p> How the hell is 8-9 a very bad record? We are not the worst team in the NBA. You just love to overreact. They never been elite, they are an average regular season that have the potential to make noise in the playoffs.</p> Even Sixers or Blazers have the better consistent offensive game than the Nets.</p> Sixers and Blazers are not known for being defensive minded teams. Sixers are one of the more up tempo teams in the league. And the Nets are better offensively than the Blazers.</p> Can you name the other teams which have 2 or 3 All-Star players, but they always struggle with the offensive game and could be down by 20 easily every night.</p> Knicks and Bulls. And the reasons we struggle on the offensive end is because these guys are not playing up to par along with bad rotations from Frank.</p> Somebody said Lawrence Frank is okay, it's hard to coach a team with a crappy roster. But You have Kidd, Carter, Jefferson, Magloire, at least four all-star caliber players. Sean Williams the top rookie of the strong draftin 2007, Do you really believe thatit's all FRONT OFFICE's fault, or players' fault?</p> The Nets only have two allstars- Kidd and Carter. Jefferson is a borderline allstar while Magloire has never been an allstar talent. And it is a combination of everyone when looking who is at fault- Frank for confusing coaching schemes, management for assemblying a poorly built team, and the players that are not playing at the level they are expected to play at.</p> OK, you say the players play like a crap, but why don't you say the midget coach can not lead them mentally? In my opinion, Lawrence Frank is not a coach that would make your confidence bigger ! He only makes your confidence to be lower and lower. That's why our bench players are very very inconsistent. Let's see Magloire who is very very depressing on the bench !</p> The coach never dogged them, yet as soon as they wanted to play and promised to help, they played like crap. Magloire was all high and mighty, saying how he was in shape and a piece that can help. Thus far, he has played like crap on offense and affected our play negatively when he was on the court. Frank punishes him by not playing him since he is hurting us more than helping. If a player wants to play, he must show it to the coach. Magloire's lack of enthusiasm and terrible play is not showing Frank anything positive. And being a in your face coach does not always help, sometimes it may lower the player's confidence even more. It all depends on the player. Yelling at Nachbar wont change a thing. He has been getting great open looks but he is not making them. Plus, we have seen no evidence of the players hating Frank. They like him. How many times do you hear the players complain about him?</p> A good coach could make their players out of their mind, but Frank does it contrarily. His decision making and rotation making are really terrible, and terrible.</p> I honestly dont 100% understand what you are trying to say in the first sentence. Can you reword it please? As i said before, i agree, some of his rotations have been confusing and bad.</p> In fact, I am giving up on this team now, this team can not even pass the 1st round in the playoffs.</p> Bye bye then, go ahead and quit on the Nets. But as a fan of this team, I will stick with them through the good and bad times. </p> But if you are like jizzy, you'll say the exact opposite after a win.</p> All I could say is that this is very regrettable for the Nets in the history, the Nets finally have 2 great players like Kidd, and Carter, but the front office and coach kill them, oh, including the fans that defends for the coach.</p> Way to slide a personal attack against those who dont agree with you.</p> </div></p> </p> Bolded</p> Also just to add because i want to avoid double posting: check out the second post in the thread called free ariza on the lakers board. Even the greatest of coaches can make confusing moves in fans' eyes.Now, now, im not comparing Frank to Jackson, but rather im pointing out that even if we got a better coach, many of you would still find something to complain about. </p> </p>
