<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Even Senator Kerry sees the importance of the Giants-Patriots game in the war between the NFL Network and cable.</p> Unfortunately, this disagreement has led to the use of what could potentially be an historic football game as leverage in a negotiation. On Saturday, December 29th, the New England Patriots will play the New York Giants in a game that could determine whether the Patriots become the first NFL team in 35 years to finish the regular season with an undefeated record. Unfortunately, millions of fans outside of the local media markets - including fans living in Massachusetts and New York - will not have access to the network that will broadcast the game. </p> http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr..._presses_t.html</p> </div></p> Yep, in the end, its all about money, like you pointed out. It's a shame that you aren't getting a lot of thoughtful, intelligent responses, Dale. You have handled the children here as any adult would, which I applaud you for.</p> </p> </p>
Shady behavior is not limited to the players e.g Rodney Harrison or Vick. You don't becomea top notch business man which most owners are by being 100% ethical 24/7/365.</p> ROTR summed it up beautifully. It is all aboutQui (Sp?) Bono... specifically who benefits.</p> If you think otherwise you are not delusional just naive.</p> </p>
Please don't put Rodney Harrison's HGH acquisition in the same category with Vick's shady business. There is a massively huge difference there.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (agoo101284)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Please don't put Rodney Harrison's HGH acquisition in the same category with Vick's shady business. There is a massively huge difference there.</p> </div></p> </p> No. Really? There are varying degrees of stupidity? Just be glad I decided not to mention coaches.</p>
What vick did hurt the animals, what harrison didn't hurt no one except himself, (with the suspension).</p> Big difference there.</p> And yeah I'm against steroids. (and drugs)</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'>3. I can't admit to blind hatred of the Patriots because I don't hate them blindly. Actually, I've stated how I feel about the Patriots and Belicheck in many threads, but don't you know that already? Earlier in this thread, you accused me of being repetitive and is anyone that frequents this forum not aware of the issues I have with Belicheck and Harrison? On the other hand, I had a hard time remembering what team you root for because there was nothing on your profile to give me the least little bit of a clue. I just think that a Patriot fan should disclose that fact when defending the Patriots in a debate especially if he's going to call me out for not liking the Patriots. Then again, how Rodney Harrison of you to look for an advantage when debating me. (Just kidding.I could resist.) I've been very clear about how I feel regarding the Patriots, Belicheck and Harrison and I've given reason why I feel that way. You can disagree with my opinions, but you can't say that they are without reason.</div></p> </p> No blind hate? Well, you rag on Harrison constantly for his HGH purchase (not testing positive, just a purhcase) But you don't have Shawne Merriman, who tested positive,in your list of hated players. While we're at it, you regularly bring up Harrison's HGH purchase (not proven use), but I haven't seen the thread pointing out how Merriman looks oddly less dominant since he was busted.</p>
[quote name='agoo101284']</p> [quote name='DolfanDale']3. I can't admit to blind hatred of the Patriots because I don't hate them blindly. Actually, I've stated how I feel about the Patriots and Belicheck in many threads, but don't you know that already? Earlier in this thread, you accused me of being repetitive and is anyone that frequents this forum not aware of the issues I have with Belicheck and Harrison? On the other hand, I had a hard time remembering what team you root for because there was nothing on your profile to give me the least little bit of a clue. I just think that a Patriot fan should disclose that fact when defending the Patriots in a debate especially if he's going to call me out for not liking the Patriots. Then again, how Rodney Harrison of you to look for an advantage when debating me. (Just kidding.I could resist.) I've been very clear about how I feel regarding the Patriots, Belicheck and Harrison and I've given reason why I feel that way. You can disagree with my opinions, but you can't say that they are without reason.[/QUOTE]</p> </p> No blind hate? Well, you rag on Harrison constantly for his HGH purchase (not testing positive, just a purhcase) But you don't have Shawne Merriman, who tested positive,in your list of hated players. While we're at it, you regularly bring up Harrison's HGH purchase (not proven use), but I haven't seen the thread pointing out how Merriman looks oddly less dominant since he was busted.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> I haven't been busting on Turd Orifice or Michael ConVick as much lately either because they haven't been making much news. Still, you wouldn't be a true Patriots fan if you weren't coming at me with a baseless accusation. (If your reading this, Bakes, I miss ya, buddy. I really mean that.) I'm sure if I looked hard enough, I could find some posts where I was critical of Merriman, but I don't feel like digging one up. Well, except for this one, from this forum in the thread, Bill Belicheck - A Different Kind of Cheater. (I titled the thread before I knew about spygate.)</p> [quote name='DolfanDale'][quote name='Pats_Fan420']Welcome to last year.[/quote]Way to try and spin the truth. This was just last summer and we're not even 40 days into this year. What strikes me is that, while the media is feverishly trying to justify Belichick's boarish behavior, this story doesn't get much exposure. What this article does do is show that Belichick's behavior isn't an isolated incident, but another example of his poor character. How is it that this story got swept under the rug when everyone else's troubles are made news? I have no problem with idiots like Michael Vick, <u>Shawn Merriman</u>, Jake Plummer, Turd Orifice, the 2006 Cincinnati Bengals, Nick Saban and others taking their lumps in the news and in these forums, but why does Bill Belichick get a free pass? Because he's the coach of God's team, the Patriots? Not good enough for me. I would say that breaking up a marriage where children are involved is just as bad if not worse than some of these other incidents.[/QUOTE]</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Even Senator Kerry sees the importance of the Giants-Patriots game in the war between the NFL Network and cable.</p> Unfortunately, this disagreement has led to the use of what could potentially be an historic football game as leverage in a negotiation. On Saturday, December 29th, the New England Patriots will play the New York Giants in a game that could determine whether the Patriots become the first NFL team in 35 years to finish the regular season with an undefeated record. Unfortunately, millions of fans outside of the local media markets - including fans living in Massachusetts and New York - will not have access to the network that will broadcast the game. </p> http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr..._presses_t.html</p> </div></p> Yep, in the end, its all about money, like you pointed out. It's a shame that you aren't getting a lot of thoughtful, intelligent responses, Dale. You have handled the children here as any adult would, which I applaud you for.</p> </p> </p> </div></p> ROTR, if you think that's interesting, get a load of this. Thanks to AOL Fanhouse's Michael David Smith, we can see that the Jabbar Gaffney game winning TD against the Ravens is more shady than what we might have thought.</p> Fact 1 - In Mike Pereira's explaination of Gaffney's so-called touchdown, which you can hear in the video at NFL.com, he clearly states that the catch is still a catch because even though Gaffney's palms leave the ball, his fingertips never do. That occurs around the 2:50 mark of the video.</p> Fact 2 - Two years ago, there was a similar catch catch made by Marcus Pollard in a Lions game. The catch was ruled a touchdown on the field, but was over ruled by instant replay. When Steve Marriuci questioned Mike Pereira about the ruling, this was the explaination that he was given.</p> <font face="Arial" size="2">“Mike felt that he didn’t have control. That was the word: control; it kept coming up in our conversation. He felt that he needed to have control before sliding out of bounds. My point was that I thought hands, and catching the ball with your hands, constitutes control. It doesn’t have to be catch and tuck. Catching the ball without the bobble is good enough for me, but he felt he needed to have better control of that ball prior to sliding out. That is why the discussion went around and around. No (there was no formal protest with the league). You just live with it.”</font></p> Fact 3 - The rulings in fact one and fact two contradict one. It was the same situation but different criteria was applied to the catches. That's is not open for debate. So which is it? If catching the ball without a bobble wasn't good enough for Pollard, then it shouldn't have been good enough for Gaffney.</p> Fact 4 - The Patriots, who the NFL has amulti-million dollar financialinterest in keeping perfect, benefitted from the refs holding them to a lower thresold of control in what constitutes a touchdown catch than what the NFL has held to catches in the past.</p> What conclusions can be drawnfrom this contradiction? Mike Pereira is an idiot that doesn't know what he's talking about and makes things up as he goes along? Mike Pereria and the NFL threw out this explaination with the hopes that no one would remember how they rules in previous cases? (I wouldn't have remembered the Marcus Pollard ruling if Michael David Smith hadn't written about it.) People can debate the reasons why the contradiction exists, but the fact that the contradiction exists is indisputable.</p> Here is a link to the Michael David Smith article. In the article, you can find links to the NFL.com video of Mike Pereria's "explanation" of the Gaffney catch and a link to the explaination that Pereria gave to Maruicci regarding the overturning of Pollard's catch.</p> http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/12/05/...amari-rolle-boy</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I haven't been busting on Turd Orifice or Michael ConVick as much lately either because they haven't been making much news. Still, you wouldn't be a true Patriots fan if you weren't coming at me with a baseless accusation. (If your reading this, Bakes, I miss ya, buddy. I really mean that.) I'm sure if I looked hard enough, I could find some posts where I was critical of Merriman, but I don't feel like digging one up. Well, except for this one, from this forum in the thread, Bill Belicheck - A Different Kind of Cheater. (I titled the thread before I knew about spygate.)</div></p> Still not in your profile, which was the point I was actually making.</p>
Kerry wrote all three parties to ask for the meeting, concerned that there won't be a big enough audience for the New England Patriots at New York Giants game Dec. 29. If the Patriots beat the Jets and Dolphins in the interim, the Giants game would be for an undefeated regular season. NFL Network is currently carried on a sports tier on Comcast and not at all on Time Warner.</p> I don't think it will happen, but I'd love to see what would happen with this negotiation if the Patriots were to drop one against the Jets or Dolphins.</p> http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/C...ndustryid=47171</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> but I'd love to see what would happen with this negotiation if the Patriots were to drop one against the Jets or Dolphins.</p> </div></p> If it were the Dolphins, it'd be like the aftermath in 05 whenthe Pats lost late in the season to Miami.</p> Pats fans were convinced the game was meaningless & tried to hornswoggle the rest of us. Getting the 3rd seed if you win & 4th if not which means possibly an extra home. That's my definition of meaningless. Oh wait. I meant crucial.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (blackadder)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (DolfanDale)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> but I'd love to see what would happen with this negotiation if the Patriots were to drop one against the Jets or Dolphins.</p> </div></p> If it were the Dolphins, it'd be like the aftermath in 05 whenthe Pats lost late in the season to Miami.</p> Pats fans were convinced the game was meaningless & tried to hornswoggle the rest of us. Getting the 3rd seed if you win & 4th if not which means possibly an extra home. That's my definition of meaningless. Oh wait. I meant crucial.</p> </p> </div></p> Between the Jets and Dolphins games, I would be more concerned about the Jets game because of what Mother Nature might be bringing their way by gametime. Could this be the "Imperfect Storm?"</p> </p>
Can you imagine the motivational tool for Belichick if it is the worst snowstorm ever? Even Mother Nature is against the pats. lol.</p> If so,they shouldhave saved the snowplow for when it was <u>really</u> needed. rofl.</p>
