Anyone notice Dunleavy Jr.?

He's doing what he should have done with the Warriors. I guess he just needed to be in a different system, even though he did play in a variety of systems under different coaches as a Warrior.</p>

 

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He's doing what he should have done with the Warriors. I guess he just needed to be in a different system, even though he did play in a variety of systems under different coaches as a Warrior.</p>

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Maybe it was about being in the right system, with the right point guard. Maybe Tinsley in that system works for Dunleavy.</p>

 

Told you guys. The reality is he is playing with guys who pass the ball and who trust the guy. I doubt that Baron, Speedy, JRich every wanted to pass Dunleavy the ball. Now, Dunleavy did shrink at times, but its up to his teammates to pick him up and encourage him. Never saw that.</p>

 

I blame Murphy for Dunleavy's problems and also the fact we had no real interior presence in the paint. Murphy played too much on the outside and Foyle couldn't catch or make layups. Dunleavy's only real decent year was when we had Erick Dampier playing out of his mind in 2003. The problem was that Dunleavy really sucked defensively and he was very inconsistent at shooting wide open shots. His passing and dribbling were awesome though.</p>

 

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (philsmith75)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Told you guys. The reality is he is playing with guys who pass the ball and who trust the guy. I doubt that Baron, Speedy, JRich every wanted to pass Dunleavy the ball. Now, Dunleavy did shrink at times, but its up to his teammates to pick him up and encourage him. Never saw that.</p>

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I don't think thats true at all. We did all kinds of things with Dunleavy under various coaches with various systems and a lot of different players around him. He played PG, SF, PF, played in a running system, played in a half court system. He played with Speedy, Fisher, Van Exel, and Baron as PGs. I don't really know why but for some reason he just couldn't succeed here.</p>

Hes playing well in Indiana for some reason. Maybe because hes playing more SG, maybe because he's getting more shots, maybe because he just needed a change of scenery, maybe because he has actually improved his game. Props to him for finally doing well but it took a damn long time. Hes already 27 and putting up 17/6, very solid numbers but all of that potential he had has now almost run dry.</p>

I'm just glad we got S-Jax to come in and be everything Dun was supposed to be and more. Dun stepped up big for his team this year but how about Jack taking a big leap in his game? Hes averaging 22 ppg/5 rpg/4 apg/2 spg plus hes been having a DPOY calibur season on that side of the ball. Plus hes cheaper than Dun, a much better leader, and more mentally strong.</p>

Congrats to Dunny for putting it together in Indy, too bad it couldn't work out over here. The trade seems to have worked for all parties involved (except Murphy lol).</p>

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Well said and I am also happy for Dunleavy for turning things around.</p>

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Finally, the cream rises.</p>

 

16.7 pts / 5.8 rebs / 2.6 asts / 47.3% fgs / 41.8% 3 pts</p>

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Yeah, I was pretty suprised with Dunleavy so far. Along with nice numbers, he only recorded 3-triple-singles in 19 games. And, Pacers' aren't exactly chopped liver like other people expected (9-10). Still, there is no way that Dunleavy would be as successful in here since he will not fit into our current defense system. And,our record with Davis and Jackson are pretty amazing. Including last season's hot streak, I thinkit should be around35-10 or something. Even though Dunelavy finally seems to find a home, this is the trade I would do it over and over again...</p>

 

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I blame Murphy for Dunleavy's problems and also the fact we had no real interior presence in the paint. Murphy played too much on the outside and Foyle couldn't catch or make layups. Dunleavy's only real decent year was when we had Erick Dampier playing out of his mind in 2003. The problem was that Dunleavy really sucked defensively and he was very inconsistent at shooting wide open shots. His passing and dribbling were awesome though.</p>

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I don't think thats true at all. We did all kinds of things with Dunleavy under various coaches with various systems and a lot of different players around him. He played PG, SF, PF, played in a running system, played in a half court system. He played with Speedy, Fisher, Van Exel, and Baron as PGs. I don't really know why but for some reason he just couldn't succeed here.</p>

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If you remember, Dunleavy played well when he was inserted as a 2. The problem is that he couldn't guard anyone, and once his guy got by him there was no way in hell that Murphy would make up for that. I always felt bad for the 5, because he inevitably would be trying to block a shot from out of position and get into foul trouble.</p>

I agree with Custodian, It cracked me up that Indiana took Murphy with Dunleavy, if you have a strong defensive team, Murphy is a decent addition to stretch out the other team and have the rest of the guys pick up for his lag on defense... the same goes for dundun... but those 2 should not coexist on anyteam.</p>

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Yeah Dunleavy is doing well.</p>

But I'd still take Stephen Jackson for this team over Dunleavy.</p>

I guess the trade has evened out pretty well.</p>

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<font size="3">I don't get it? Dunleavy's no better now than he ever was. He's still the same soft, unathletic multi-tool player who can do some things okay, but nothing very well.</font></p>

<font size="3">16.7 points, 5.8 rebounds and 2.6 assists? </font></p>

<font size="3">What's so exciting about that? That line is identitical to his third year in the league, 04-05, minus a few points: </font></p>

<font size="3">13.4 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2.6 assists.</font></p>

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<font size="3">The difference? Up until this year with Indy, Dunleavy averaged 9 shots per game. This year? He's getting 13 shots per game.</font></p>

<font size="3">That's all. The only reason why Dunleavy's getting a few extra points this year is because he's basically now the #2 option for the first time in his career (along with Granger), and even the #1 option at times when JO is out. Not only is he getting more shots, but the offense runs through him more and the ball is in his hands much more often.</font></p>

<font size="3">Further, don't forget what he's getting paid. He was the 3rd overall pick, and he's making the following in millions: $8.2 / $9.0 / $9.8 / $10.6 mils.</font></p>

<font size="3">That's more money than Stephen Jackson and more money that Al Harrington. </font></p>

<font size="3">That's more money than Marcus Camby, Cuttino Mobley, Corey Magette, Mike Miller, Hido Turkalou, Boris Diaw, Liandro Barbosa, Ron Artest, Chris Wilcox, TJ Ford, Mehmet Okur, and others.</font></p>

<font size="3">That's as much money as Gerald Wallace, Caron Butler, </font><font size="3">Manu Ginobli, and others.</font></p>

<font size="3">I'd take any of these players over Dunleavy.</font></p>

<font size="3">Given the hefty contract and the fact that he's basically the #2 option on his team, getting more shots now than ever in his career,</font><font size="3"> I really don't see anything much about Dunleavy to write home about. The guy is putting up the same game he always has, with a few extra points because he's getting more shots (4 more shots per game than his previous career average). The team still has a losing record after 1/4 season.</font></p>

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<font size="3">What's so great about that?</font><font size="4">
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I don't think anyone would rather have him than Jackson. I think you need to chill out a bit Oop. The kid's playing better, good for him, the Warriors are better off without him. Did anyone on this thread state that they thing Dunleavy is an allstar, or that he's better than anyone else? No, so why say that you'd rather have others than him. Who cares? The statement was that he's looking better than he has.</p>

As for the stat line, don't compare stats, just watch him play.... he's playing much better than he has, and it's probably because of the system that he's playing in. Why get all worked up about that?</p>

 

Well, now it seems as if that trade benefitted both teams. Indiana got pretty much a fresh start with getting rid of SJax and Al, and GS got rid of their problem players. Meanwhile, both teams prosper and the players that they recieved are actually playing pretty well. (Well, SJax and Duns, as far as I know).</p>

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AlleyOop)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<font size="3">I don't get it? Dunleavy's no better now than he ever was. He's still the same soft, unathletic multi-tool player who can do some things okay, but nothing very well.</font></p>

<font size="3">16.7 points, 5.8 rebounds and 2.6 assists? </font></p>

<font size="3">What's so exciting about that? That line is identitical to his third year in the league, 04-05, minus a few points: </font></p>

<font size="3">13.4 points, 5.5 rebounds, 2.6 assists.</font></p>

<font size="3"></font></p>

<font size="3">The difference? Up until this year with Indy, Dunleavy averaged 9 shots per game. This year? He's getting 13 shots per game.</font></p>

<font size="3">That's all. The only reason why Dunleavy's getting a few extra points this year is because he's basically now the #2 option for the first time in his career (along with Granger), and even the #1 option at times when JO is out. Not only is he getting more shots, but the offense runs through him more and the ball is in his hands much more often.</font></p>

<font size="3">Further, don't forget what he's getting paid. He was the 3rd overall pick, and he's making the following in millions: $8.2 / $9.0 / $9.8 / $10.6 mils.</font></p>

<font size="3">That's more money than Stephen Jackson and more money that Al Harrington. </font></p>

<font size="3">That's more money than Marcus Camby, Cuttino Mobley, Corey Magette, Mike Miller, Hido Turkalou, Boris Diaw, Liandro Barbosa, Ron Artest, Chris Wilcox, TJ Ford, Mehmet Okur, and others.</font></p>

<font size="3">That's as much money as Gerald Wallace, Caron Butler, </font><font size="3">Manu Ginobli, and others.</font></p>

<font size="3">I'd take any of these players over Dunleavy.</font></p>

<font size="3">Given the hefty contract and the fact that he's basically the #2 option on his team, getting more shots now than ever in his career,</font><font size="3"> I really don't see anything much about Dunleavy to write home about. The guy is putting up the same game he always has, with a few extra points because he's getting more shots (4 more shots per game than his previous career average). The team still has a losing record after 1/4 season.</font></p>

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<font size="3">What's so great about that?</font><font size="4">
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It's pretty good in fantasy league. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.</p>

 

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It's pretty good in fantasy league. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.</p>

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Yeah totally agree, especially when you can grab him in the 10th-12th round, which is where he had sunk to (at best).</p>

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That's the problem with America these days, really. Instead of just being happy with SJax and Harrington (which I certainly am) some feel the need to go the extra step and still rip on someone who's not even here. The thread started with a compliment and somehow it dives into ripping Dunleavy for the past. Who cares? The past is the past, move on. Why rip on him?</p>

As for amount of contract? That's not the player's fault, its all about the owner's decision.</p>

 

Heh -- lol. That's the problem with America? Well philsmith75, I don't know if it's my post you're addressing, here (since you didn't actually respond to any post in particular), but as far as my post, part of the reason why I brought up Dunleavy's relative unimprovement since his move to Indiana is because of your initial post, as follows:

"Told you guys. The reality is he is playing with guys who pass the ball and who trust the guy. I doubt that Baron, Speedy, JRich every wanted to pass Dunleavy the ball. Now, Dunleavy did shrink at times, but its up to his teammates to pick him up and encourage him. Never saw that."</p>

Who's bringing up the past? Here, you blame Dunleavy's past teammates for his ineffectiveness. His teammates never "picked him up" or "encouraged" him... Baron, Speedy and JRich never wanted to pass the ball to Dunleavy... That's why he was a huge disappointment during his time in GS...</p>

Why do you blame everyone else in Golden State for Dunleavy's past struggles?</p>

I don't have anything personal against Dunleavy. I was a big-time Dunleavy fan for a number of years, hoping he would come around and mature into a tough starter in this league. Unfortunately, he didn't.

But this thread is about Dunleavy's recent success, and after your "I told you so" post blaming the GS teammates for Dunleavy's struggles, I only thought it fair to point out the other side of the story. I don't think it's fair to blame the team for Dunleavy's disappointing run in GS. After all, as the stats show, it's not like he's really doing much better with Pacers. Sure, he's a decent 3rd option player, but that's what he was in GS.</p>

Perhaps the real problem with America is that, at times, people aren't always allowed to speak their mind about a topic without others getting defensive or inflamed about it...</p>

I thought this basketball forum was a place for people to speak their minds about basketball. What's wrong with that?</p>

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