Golden State of the East?

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  1. AGGiE

    AGGiE Watching The Nets

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    Should Frank try a new small lineup and run all day? As suggested by Jamal Mashburn on NBA Fastbreak.</p>

    <span class="postbody"><span id="intelliTxt" name="intelliTxt"> C: Sean Williams
    PF: Boki Nachbar
    SF: Richard Jefferson
    SG: Vince Carter
    PG: Jason Kidd

    or even

    C: Williams
    F: Jefferson
    F: Wright
    G: Carter
    G: Kidd

    thoughts?</span></span></p>
     
  2. Legacy

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    It works for Don Nelson cause of his coaching method. I don't know if it would work with Frank. But damn, then my 2 favorite teams will be run and gun teams.</p>
     
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    I guess it couldn't hurt to try. I think I've seen Frank run that line up a couple times before, but with Collins at the C; I'd rather see him go all out.</p>

    I'd also like to see more pick and rolls. With none of our bigs being that dependable on the low block, its a great way to get them involved, and provide opportunities for our wings.</p>
     
  4. ly_yng

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    well, Nets were admitting last night (well Kidd and RJ were) that it was the 1st quarter that's the problem. RJ said really them losing is "the starter's faults" which may or may not be true. so, I'd love to see that recommended lineup, although we know Frank just won't do it.
     
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    nope, frank plays a controlled offense, GS is basically run, dish and shoot. Stephen Jaxson, Matt Barnes or whoever they go small with also rebound and are tougher then Boki. this team doesnt shoot well enough as well</p>
     
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    Frank coaches every single aspect of the game.</p>

    You can see him yelling from the sidelines and telling them what play to run, how much time is on the clock etc. You can't run that way.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    Frank coaches every single aspect of the game.</p>

    You can see him yelling from the sidelines and telling them what play to run, how much time is on the clock etc. You can't run that way.</p></div>

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    I agree, you can't micro-manage a fast break.
     
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    Golden state is better than the nets, they just play in a tougher conference.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King John da FiF)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    Golden state is better than the nets, they just play in a tougher conference.</p></div>

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    I give alot of credit to their coach also
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    Frank coaches every single aspect of the game.</p>

    You can see him yelling from the sidelines and telling them what play to run, how much time is on the clock etc. You can't run that way.</p>

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    I'm going for the three-peat!</p>

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiVJ...o&type=lgns</p>
    <div class="quote_post"> 1. The success of Mike D&rsquo;Antoni&rsquo;s fast and furious style with the Phoenix Suns has spawned so much intrigue and interest for coaches throughout basketball. Because D&rsquo;Antoni is such an agreeable and open guy, he has always been willing to let others coaches come spend time and study his program.

    For the University of Rhode Island&rsquo;s Jim Baron, who made his reputation on tough defense and rebounding, his time in Tucson watching practice and studying tape with the Suns coach turned out to be something of an epiphany for him. He has transformed the Rams style over the past two seasons into a faster pace, and did what so many college coaches fear doing: Ceded control to his players and stopped trying to control every movement on the floor. </p>

    The result? After blowing out rival Providence, the Rams are 9-1 to start the season as they travel to Syracuse for a telling Saturday night game at the Carrier Dome.</p>

    &ldquo;The Suns are the epitome of running basketball,&rdquo; Baron said. &ldquo;I just learned so much from how they use their personnel, how they blend the frontline and the guards, space the floor, use the dribble.&rdquo;</p>

    Most coaches understand that D&rsquo;Antoni&rsquo;s system is made far more effective with Steve Nash playing point and Amare Stoudemire, Shawn Marion and a superb cast of running mates alongside. For Baron, his years as Panama&rsquo;s national coach exposed him to the changing game around the world and evolving his own style at URI has been a natural extension of those experiences.</p>

    &ldquo;I was watching film with Mike out there, and asked him how you get your players to buy into it all the time,&rdquo; Baron said. &ldquo;He told me, &lsquo;This is the culture.&rsquo; You have to be committed to it all the time.&rdquo;</p>
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    If Jim Baron can change, then Frank can change!</p>

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  12. Chutney

    Chutney MON-STRAWRRR!!1!

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    You need more than just a starting lineup to be a Golden State/Phoenix style running team. It takes an entire roster of players that fit the mold for a coach to commit to such a major change.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    You need more than just a starting lineup to be a Golden State/Phoenix style running team. It takes an entire roster of players that fit the mold for a coach to commit to such a major change.</p>

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    Bingo.</p>

    Phoenix can run because they have elite big men in Marion and Amare who can run the floor and guard the other team's 4s and 5s.</p>

    We have Sean Williams, who at this point is just a poor man's Amare, and trash. Our guards are so busy rebounding the ball they can't get out on the break.</p>

    I'm going to beat Mr. Ed here a little bit, but the problem is personnel. Doesn't matter whether you like it or not, you just need to accept it.</p>
     
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    With the Nets lack of front court scoring does it not make sense then for them to run and pick up the pace of the game more instead of being some halfcourt executing team? There is no bigman to wait for to run down the floor and dump the ball down to. The Nets offense runs through the guards and swingmen so lets get those guy out in transition shootings 3's or finishing the break. Get the game going up and down so it becomes a battle of the smaller guys and not big guys because the Nets get so little production from their front court.</p>

    But it would also requires some roster tweaks. Obviously the Nets should keep an eye out for a mobile bigman(or maybe a sniper bigman in the Bargnani mold) but something that they need and would more easier to acquire would be some shooters/scorers off the bench.</p>
     
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    GS is a free flowing offense. The Nets have nothing like that</p>
     
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    killa kadafi191 A Realist

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    I love watching Golden State especially Friday against the Heat. Coming back 20 down and scoring 33 points in the 4. The Nets need some of that heart.</p>

    9-2 since Stephen Jackson returned. Golden State did well making him a captain. People see why Tim Duncan said he loved playing with him and he's a great teammate.</p>
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    I love watching Golden State especially Friday against the Heat. Coming back 20 down and scoring 33 points in the 4. The Nets need some of that heart.</p>

    9-2 since Stephen Jackson returned. Golden State did well making him a captain. People see why Tim Duncan said he loved playing with him and he's a great teammate.</p>

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    The Nets need skilled players not miracle workers</p>

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  19. killa kadafi191

    killa kadafi191 A Realist

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Enigma)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    I love watching Golden State especially Friday against the Heat. Coming back 20 down and scoring 33 points in the 4. The Nets need some of that heart.</p>

    9-2 since Stephen Jackson returned. Golden State did well making him a captain. People see why Tim Duncan said he loved playing with him and he's a great teammate.</p>

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    The Nets need skilled players not miracle workers</p>

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    Jason Kidd Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter.</p>

    The Nets have skill players they are lacking heart and mental toughness. Same thing Jason Kidd said last year before the season started. On paper the Nets look great. That's why every year before the season start you hear people picking them but when the season starts it's a different story.</p>

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    This team lacks heart. Some people blame it on the fans, Vince Carter calm nature and other stuff.</p>

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  20. Enigma

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Enigma)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

    I love watching Golden State especially Friday against the Heat. Coming back 20 down and scoring 33 points in the 4. The Nets need some of that heart.</p>

    9-2 since Stephen Jackson returned. Golden State did well making him a captain. People see why Tim Duncan said he loved playing with him and he's a great teammate.</p>

    </div></p>

    The Nets need skilled players not miracle workers</p>

    </p>

    </div></p>

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    Jason Kidd Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter.</p>

    The Nets have skill players they are lacking heart and mental toughness. Same thing Jason Kidd said last year before the season started. On paper the Nets look great. That's why every year before the season start you hear people picking them but when the season starts it's a different story.</p>

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    This team lacks heart. Some people blame it on the fans, Vince Carter calm nature and other stuff.</p>

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    It doesnt amtter how much heart the team has, as long as some players are not contributing then its all for naught. What player in the Golden State rotation isn't helping the team? The Nets on a nightly basis are playing with a handicap. The front court is non existent. Its easy to blame losses on the star players, but they are rarely the teams' problem. They are going up against well rounded teams. I dont even get what you mean by this team lacks heart. RJ, Kidd and Vince are putting up pretty good numbers. What player besides those 3 will crack the rotation of any playoff contender?</p>

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