<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver)</div><div class='quotemain'>they aren't going to get rid of VC. they give him that huge contract and expect him to be the star in Brookyln.</div></p> </p> No, they expect him to sell the Brooklyn luxury boxes this season.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King John da FiF)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bling890)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Am I alone in that I am the only one who doesn't want Vince to be traded? I for one, do not question his desire, if anything, it feels as if he had more overall desire to WIN than he did last year, when I saw him yucking it up with opposing players numerous times during blowouts. He's upset that he isn't providing what his team needs right now, and I for one, feel that he should stay. The desire is there, but desire won't get you the results when you're second best shooter on the floor is RJ. Everyone else has a range of pretty much 15 feet and in, allowing defenses to collapse on carter and forcing him to take tough shots. VC is not the problem, he hasn't complained once since this new "offense" has been established and his been pretty much a model teammate, unlike our "captain."</p> </p> </div></p> I would say that you're not alone in this but i'm more of a carter fan than the nets, I followed raptor games when he was in toronto so, if they're gonna trade him i'm all for it as long as it's a good team.</p> </div></p> You should check out the VC forum then- this is the Nets forum.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Clippers just cut Ruben Patterson, whose deal would have become guarranteed on Saturday. They cite "increased roster flexibility."</p> Possibilities:</p> (1) There's a trade in the works.</p> (2) They are trying to save money.</p> What do you think?</p> </div></p> </p> Last I checked Sterling still owns the Clippers....save money.</p> </p>
I'm still down for keeping the team together, but if we have to trade somebody I'd rather have Kidd than VC. If we trade Kidd though I'd rather trade both of them.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> agreed^</p> </p> VC for Zach Randolph. he had a monster game.</p> </div></p> </p> Wait. Hold up. You agree with everything furnace had to say, and then you say trade Vince for a guy who fits Kidd's game even worse? </p> </div></p> </p> nope, we're super desperate for a scoring big man. He's a excellent rebounder and a scorer and would help our halfcourt offense which is shit. face it, Kidd is not the same Kidd anymore and neither is this team. who exactly runs on this squad? Wright but he cant finish, RJ is losing his explosiveness, that's it. atleast Zbo can rebound and score inside.</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bling890)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Am I alone in that I am the only one who doesn't want Vince to be traded? I for one, do not question his desire, if anything, it feels as if he had more overall desire to WIN than he did last year, when I saw him yucking it up with opposing players numerous times during blowouts. He's upset that he isn't providing what his team needs right now, and I for one, feel that he should stay. The desire is there, but desire won't get you the results when you're second best shooter on the floor is RJ. Everyone else has a range of pretty much 15 feet and in, allowing defenses to collapse on carter and forcing him to take tough shots. VC is not the problem, he hasn't complained once since this new "offense" has been established and his been pretty much a model teammate, unlike our "captain."</p> </p> </div></p> </p> You're not alone in not wanting VC to get traded</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver)</div><div class='quotemain'>they aren't going to get rid of VC. they give him that huge contract and expect him to be the star in Brookyln.</div></p> </p> how will Vince be doing three years from now??? that was a stupid move.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver)</div><div class='quotemain'>exactly</div></p> </p> u see what I mean?? the team would do better losing the rest of there games and hope to get a high pick. In three years VC will be a shell of the player who was able to move jerseys and crowd the highlights.</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd is not the same Kidd anymore</div></p> </p> How exactly? I want to know.</p> </p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>atleast Zbo can rebound and score inside.</div></p> Ok, he has a jumpshot, but I still don't want Burger King on this team. He has no explosiveness and can't run to save his life; he's too fat. You're looking too much into the positives, and not his negatives.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd is not the same Kidd anymore</div></p> </p> How exactly? I want to know.</p> doesn't have the same effect anymore. trip doubles from him used to mean wins, now, he can get one and you wouldnt know it.</p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>atleast Zbo can rebound and score inside.</div></p> Ok, he has a jumpshot, but I still don't want Burger King on this team. He has no explosiveness and can't run to save his life; he's too fat. You're looking too much into the positives, and not his negatives.</p> </div></p> </p> </p> and youre focusing on his negatives while completely ignoring his positives but i dont want to get in this. i stil remember that thread from BBB which had me defending ZBo for 3 pages.</p> </p> he put up 26/17/4 a couple of nights ago. he gets the job done and thats all im saying</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> he gets the job done and thats all im saying</p> </div></p> Word?</p> http://www.sportstwo.com/Thread/View/NBA/NEWYORK/2044304</p> You guys who don't go past the Nets board are missing some real gems </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> he gets the job done and thats all im saying</p> </div></p> Word?</p> http://www.sportstwo.com/Thread/View/NBA/NEWYORK/2044304</p> You guys who don't go past the Nets board are missing some real gems </p> </p> </div></p> lol, that thread was started by a Nets fan and the only posts were by Nets fans.</p> ZBo is not a shotblocker, assist man. he is a rebounder and scorer and we'll have to look past his defensive deficencies because our team right now sux at defense. might as well geta big who can give you 20-10 nightly</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> lol, that thread was started by a Nets fan and the only posts were by Nets fans.</p> ZBo is not a shotblocker, assist man. he is a rebounder and scorer and we'll have to look past his defensive deficencies because our team right now sux at defense. might as well geta big who can give you 20-10 nightly</p> </div></p> And he turns the ball over like there's no tomorrow. Well, maybe he would fit our style of play. </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>doesn't have the same effect anymore. trip doubles from him used to mean wins, now, he can get one and you wouldnt know it.</div></p> So because the Nets are losing, he isn't affecting the game? Triple doubles or not, in order to win you need a team to play well, not one individual. It may look like he has no impact, but the difference from past seasons is that the Nets were contending as <u>team</u> versus this season. Now you have Carter playing well one night, then going into his shooting slump. The bench shows some promise in one particular game, then completely disappears the next game. Pure inconsistency. All this overshadows Kidd's triple doubles....which shouldn't even matter. Kidd will impact the game without having to go all out.</p> </p> Jizzy, you desperately want changes, that's fine. Randolph is not the answer, in my eyes.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> The most important factor about Vince Carter is NOT the following: 1) Whether it looks like he is trying or not trying 2) Whether he settles for jump shots too much 3) Whether he is injured too much The most important factor about Vince Carter IS... ...his game does NOT fit with Jason Kidd's. That is the bottom line. 1) Carter does not run the break 2) Carter does not run cuts in the half court Those are the strengths of Kidd's game. The whole point of Jason Collins boxing out and Kidd leading the Nets in rebounds is that way, the Nets can have Kittles, Kenyon, and Jefferson running down the court ready to dunk or layup. The plain and simple fact is that that is the formula that got the Nets to the finals. No other combination has come close. Now that Wright is playing with confidence and defending like Kittles, and Sean Williams is exhibiting Kenyon-like qualities, what the Nets SHOULD do is get back to fast break and motion basketball. Unfortunately, they can't. If no one else wanted Carter as a free agent, do any of you really think someone out there will want him with this bloated contract?</p> </div></p> I agree with some of what you said but I ask youtwo simiple questions: When Vince was out and they had the ability to run this "amazing" line up of Kidd, Wright, Jefferson, Williams, Collins...how many games did they win? Secondly, I may be blind, or must've been watching a different game than you but how much did this team run when Vince was out for those games?I didn't see much running at all, in fact it looked like the same team except without Vince playing.</p>
Zbo has positives? That's news to me. You'd have to be as brain dead as Isiah Thomas to actually want him on your team.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Balla 15)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I agree with some of what you said but I ask youtwo simiple questions: When Vince was out and they had the ability to run this "amazing" line up of Kidd, Wright, Jefferson, Williams, Collins...how many games did they win? Secondly, I may be blind, or must've been watching a different game than you but how much did this team run when Vince was out for those games?I didn't see much running at all, in fact it looked like the same team except without Vince playing.</p> </div></p> </p> Vince was only out for 4 games. You have to remember that when Vince was there, he was the focus of the offense (less this year than last evidenced by RJ's rise, but the offense still went through Vince). For the last 3 years, it has been implanted into the team's brain to go through Vince so that is a hard habit to get ride of. It's kinda like fixing your golf swing. You will change it, but it will take a while to get out of the old habits.</p> Also I must emphasize, that I think Vince's game doesn't fit Kidd's game. If Vicne comes off the bench, he would not be spending that much time on the court with Kidd. Maybe that's why when Vince came back but off the bench, that was the best of both worlds. You have a group of fast break and motion offense starters who get most of the minutes with Kidd, while you have Vince beating down on the opponents' 2nd unit.</p> Notice the difference in dominance from Vince as well...dominant vs the 2nd units, but fading away and loop dee loop circus shots against opposing starters.</p>
