<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Word around the Nets' clubhouse is that New Jersey, which was previously known to have dangled Jefferson in an offer for Jermaine O'Neal last June, had also tried to ship Jefferson to the Charlotte Bobcats in a three-team deal that would have brought Lamar Odom to the Nets.</div></p> Source: ESPN</p> I wonder what the Lakers would have received from this deal? Richard Jefferson sent to the Bobcats, Odom to the Nets, Lakers get???</p> This might have been the deal that would have allowed us to get the Bobcats draft pick and a large trade exception, which is what the Bobcats ended up doing with the Warriors for Jason Richardson.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Wasn't this talked about during the offseason?</p> </div></p> There was a deal for Odom to end up in Charlotte, and KG in LA, but this New Jersey twist is something new to me. The TWolves would have received the Bobcats 1st Rounder, Bynum, a trade exception and some spare parts, KG would be in LA, and Bobcats would have Odom.</p> Instead McHale took a worse deal and sent KG to Boston.</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Gerald Wallace?</p> -Petey</p> </div></p> </p> I'd rather have Wallace than Odom in a Nets uni. Bleh</p>
How do you figure that the Boston deal is a worse deal? They got over $15 million of expiring dollars (one of which has been playing exceptionally well in Sebastian Telfair), a couple solid young role players, two picks (one of which is theirs that they got back), and a better single player they could have gotten from anyone else in Al Jefferson. He's a unique young talent, a true low-post player with a post arsenal as wide as anyone in the NBA not named Tim Duncan. Bynum has been excellent, but he's no Al Jefferson. On top of that, once again, they couldn't have gotten as many expiring dollars from anyone else.</p> McHale took the right deal.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Wasn't this talked about during the offseason?</p> </div></p> There was a deal for Odom to end up in Charlotte, and KG in LA, but this New Jersey twist is something new to me. The TWolves would have received the Bobcats 1st Rounder, Bynum, a trade exception and some spare parts, KG would be in LA, and Bobcats would have Odom.</p> Instead McHale took a worse deal and sent KG to Boston.</p> </p> </p> </div></p> </p> No, no. I remember RJ for Odom being mentioned. Lakes rejected it.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Wasn't this talked about during the offseason?</p> </div></p> There was a deal for Odom to end up in Charlotte, and KG in LA, but this New Jersey twist is something new to me. The TWolves would have received the Bobcats 1st Rounder, Bynum, a trade exception and some spare parts, KG would be in LA, and Bobcats would have Odom.</p> Instead McHale took a worse deal and sent KG to Boston.</p> </p> </p> </div></p> </p> No, no. I remember RJ for Odom being mentioned. Lakes rejected it.</p> </p> </div></p> But this deal has RJ going to the Bobcats not the Lakers. I don't remember any RJ for Odom deal being discussed.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> How do you figure that the Boston deal is a worse deal? They got over $15 million of expiring dollars (one of which has been playing exceptionally well in Sebastian Telfair), a couple solid young role players, two picks (one of which is theirs that they got back), and a better single player they could have gotten from anyone else in Al Jefferson. He's a unique young talent, a true low-post player with a post arsenal as wide as anyone in the NBA not named Tim Duncan. Bynum has been excellent, but he's no Al Jefferson. On top of that, once again, they couldn't have gotten as many expiring dollars from anyone else.</p> McHale took the right deal.</p> </div></p> Take the green shade glasses off. Al Jefferson doesn't even feel he's a franchise player and he's right. Telfair was a throw in he's playing decent, but I doubt he's part of their future. Gerald Green was not extended and hasn't sniffed the court much this season. He was the other big name player being sent to Minnesota in the deal. Gomes was a throw in and at one point there was discussion of him being waived and re-signing with the Celtics.</p> Andrew Bynum is younger and has a higher ceiling than Jefferson. Bynum has plenty of post moves and makes an impact on the defensive end Jefferson will never be able to match because he'll never be Bynum's size.</p> Who cares about Ratliff's expiring contract? If they did the other deal they would have a trade exception instead, which puts them under the cap immediately. They would have the Bobcats pick at #8 along with their own.</p> Minnesota could have drafted Brewer and Wright or Brewer and Noah with the 7th and 8th picks.</p> Their core would be Bynum-Noah-Brewer + large trade exception versus Jefferson-Green-Telfair + Ratliff's expiring contract</p> Which three would you rather have?</p> </p>
It's pretty much common knowledge that McHale did Ainge a favour, isn't it? I mean, how can you look at it any other way?</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> How do you figure that the Boston deal is a worse deal? They got over $15 million of expiring dollars (one of which has been playing exceptionally well in Sebastian Telfair), a couple solid young role players, two picks (one of which is theirs that they got back), and a better single player they could have gotten from anyone else in Al Jefferson. He's a unique young talent, a true low-post player with a post arsenal as wide as anyone in the NBA not named Tim Duncan. Bynum has been excellent, but he's no Al Jefferson. On top of that, once again, they couldn't have gotten as many expiring dollars from anyone else.</p> McHale took the right deal.</p> </div></p> Take the green shade glasses off. Al Jefferson doesn't even feel he's a franchise player and he's right. Telfair was a throw in he's playing decent, but I doubt he's part of their future. Gerald Green was not extended and hasn't sniffed the court much this season. He was the other big name player being sent to Minnesota in the deal. Gomes was a throw in and at one point there was discussion of him being waived and re-signing with the Celtics.</p> Andrew Bynum is younger and has a higher ceiling than Jefferson. Bynum has plenty of post moves and makes an impact on the defensive end Jefferson will never be able to match because he'll never be Bynum's size.</p> Who cares about Ratliff's expiring contract? If they did the other deal they would have a trade exception instead, which puts them under the cap immediately. They would have the Bobcats pick at #8 along with their own.</p> Minnesota could have drafted Brewer and Wright or Brewer and Noah with the 7th and 8th picks.</p> Their core would be Bynum-Noah-Brewer + large trade exception versus Jefferson-Green-Telfair + Ratliff's expiring contract</p> Which three would you rather have?</p> </p> </div></p> Al Jefferson may not be a bonafide franchise guy as a Dwight Howard or Dwyane Wade is, but he certainly is an outstanding building block for the future and a guy that is going to be just one tier down from that. I don't need to "take the green shade glasses off," I'm not a ridiculous homer like a lot of C's fns are. But I'll tell you, Al Jefferson is the real deal, will be a sure-fire All-Star in a matter of time, and I still don't believe most fans even know what he is capable of. Jefferson is the best player Minnesota could have gotten, by far. If you take the three solid young prospects over one sure-fire stud (who again, is extremely unique and one of the only true post threats in the league), you become the Bulls. Then you add the financial advantages to the Boston deal, <u>plus the fact that Kevin Garnett wanted to come to Boston and didn't want to go to LA</u> - you've got yourself a deal.</p> </p> In all honesty, it's amazing how we are STILL talking about this 20 games into the regular season. What's done is done, we're beating a dead horse by talking about this, and it's amazing that writers still bring it up like it has any relevancy to anything.</p> </p>
Kevin Garnett wanted to stay in Minnesota until Chauncey Billups and T-Hud told him he could probably win a title in Boston. He would have came to LA and played well if he were traded. He's a professional and a competitive junky just like Kobe.</p> I just don't think you can make the argument Al Jefferson is THAT much better than Bynum to justify McHale passing up the Lakers offer.</p> <table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" class="tablehead"> <tbody> <tr align="right" class="colhead"> <td align="left">RNK</td> <td align="left">Player</td> <td>GP</td> <td>Min</td> <td>FG%</td> <td>FT%</td> <td>TS%</td> <td>Ast</td> <td>TO</td> <td>Usg</td> <td>ORR</td> <td>DRR</td> <td>RebR</td> <td>PER</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" class="tablehead"> <tbody> <tr align="right" class="evenrow"> <td align="left">8</td> <td align="left">Al Jefferson, MIN</td> <td>20</td> <td>36.4</td> <td>.486</td> <td>.697</td> <td>.517</td> <td>5.7</td> <td>10.5</td> <td>24.6</td> <td>11.0</td> <td>25.5</td> <td>17.9</td> <td class="sortcell">20.91</td> </tr> <tr align="right" class="oddrow"> <td align="left">9</td> <td align="left">Andrew Bynum, LAL</td> <td>19</td> <td>26.1</td> <td>.587</td> <td>.684</td> <td>.616</td> <td>12.6</td> <td>12.1</td> <td>15.7</td> <td>10.2</td> <td>29.9</td> <td>20.6</td> <td class="sortcell">20.56</td> </tr> </tbody> </table>
This deal was talked about in the offseason. We were going to get Gerald Wallace. But Jordan pulled out.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (shapecity)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Kevin Garnett wanted to stay in Minnesota until Chauncey Billups and T-Hud told him he could probably win a title in Boston. He would have came to LA and played well if he were traded. He's a professional and a competitive junky just like Kobe.</p> I just don't think you can make the argument Al Jefferson is THAT much better than Bynum to justify McHale passing up the Lakers offer.</p> <table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" class="tablehead"> <tbody> <tr align="right" class="colhead"> <td align="left">RNK</td> <td align="left">Player</td> <td>GP</td> <td>Min</td> <td>FG%</td> <td>FT%</td> <td>TS%</td> <td>Ast</td> <td>TO</td> <td>Usg</td> <td>ORR</td> <td>DRR</td> <td>RebR</td> <td>PER</td> </tr> </tbody> </table> <table cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" class="tablehead"> <tbody> <tr align="right" class="evenrow"> <td align="left">8</td> <td align="left">Al Jefferson, MIN</td> <td>20</td> <td>36.4</td> <td>.486</td> <td>.697</td> <td>.517</td> <td>5.7</td> <td>10.5</td> <td>24.6</td> <td>11.0</td> <td>25.5</td> <td>17.9</td> <td class="sortcell">20.91</td> </tr> <tr align="right" class="oddrow"> <td align="left">9</td> <td align="left">Andrew Bynum, LAL</td> <td>19</td> <td>26.1</td> <td>.587</td> <td>.684</td> <td>.616</td> <td>12.6</td> <td>12.1</td> <td>15.7</td> <td>10.2</td> <td>29.9</td> <td>20.6</td> <td class="sortcell">20.56</td> </tr> </tbody> </table></div></p> I don't care what those John Hollinger-esque numbers say - Al Jefferson is a much better player than Andrew Bynum and always will be. Bynum is an excellent young player, one of the best young centers in the league without question, but he's not Al Jefferson. He doesn't have, and will never have, even half of Jefferson's low-post arsenal, his instict, or his natural feel for the game.</p> And Kevin Garnett didn't just up and say "oh, well Troy Hudson and Chauncey Billups said I'd have a good chance of winning, so I'll go to Boston." He saw the trade for Ray Allen, he decided on his own that this was his best opportunity. I'm not saying that he wouldn't have gone to LA, but I'm saying it certainly wasn't his first choice. He wanted to go to Boston.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'></p> As spotted on TrueHoop, here’s an interesting account from the Boston Globe about how Kevin Garnett consulted with close friends Tyronn Lue and Billups about his future:</p> <blockquote> “I talked to KG and it was tough at first because he’s so loyal to Minnesota, his family, friends, and the fans,” said Lue, who was spotted at an LA tennis tournament with Garnett July 20. “All he knew was Minnesota for the last 12 years. I thought Boston would be a great situation, a perfect situation with Paul Pierce and Ray Allen. I thought automatically they’d be in the Eastern Conference finals with KG. He thought about it and asked, ‘You think so?’ I said, ‘Yeah.’</p> “Then, Chauncey came out and said, ‘You have to take the best thing for you and that’s playing in Boston, even though we’d be in the same conference and play four times a year.’ We definitely convinced him to choose Boston because two great players were already in place. Adding KG and being in the Eastern Conference, it’d be easier to win. […]</p> Back in Los Angeles a few days later, Garnett sought the counsel of his best friends, Detroit’s Chauncey Billups and Atlanta’s Tyronn Lue. Garnett has an offseason home in Malibu, Calif., Billups was in LA for an Adidas photo shoot with Garnett. Lue spends about a month with Garnett in Malibu every summer, though he was in the city to have his right knee scoped July 17 by the Lakers’ team doctor.</p> The trio discussed the teams interested in Garnett — Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, Dallas, the Lakers, and Phoenix — and which presented the best scenario for the 10-time All-Star. Billups and Lue helped convince Garnett that Boston would be a good place to play, recognizing what the power forward could add to a mix that already included Pierce and Allen.</p> </blockquote> If the Pistons end up meeting the Celtics in the Eastern Conference Finals, we know who to blame.</div></p> Those are direct quotes from the Boston Globe</p> Where does it say Boston was his first choice? It doesn't. There's a list of teams on there, but Billups and Lue (I thought it was Hudso for some reason) convinced Boston was the best situation for him. KG's first choice was to stay in Sota.</p> Back to Bynum I think you're underrating him and you might dismiss Hollinger's stats, but PER is one of the best available models to compare players.</p> NBA Player Efficiency is another solid model. Bynum rates at 18.6 and Jefferson rates at 22.0</p>
