<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 11:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 23 2007, 10:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who thinks this thread needs to be closed?</div> please do, no fan of any other team deserves to see the stupidity in this thread. </div> My nigga
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 23 2007, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus Williams has done nothing in his entire basketball career (college or pro) to warrant such emotional, fanatical support. Basically the guy has been immature at best and a complete dumbass at worst.</div> OH BULLSHIT. he was a lottery pick and clearly the best pure PG in the draft. for you to sum him up as a scrub after one year in the league in which he showed promise is just.... unbelievable. I honestly cant beleive this. he's been active for 3 games after breaking his goddamn foot and you all have this agenda and ar enow putting it in effect against him. </div> I'm convinced you can't read. Do you ever respond to what's actually in a post? It's impossible to discuss anything with you because your comprehension is so poor.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 23 2007, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 23 2007, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus Williams has done nothing in his entire basketball career (college or pro) to warrant such emotional, fanatical support. Basically the guy has been immature at best and a complete dumbass at worst.</div> Yet you still managed to convince me to draft him for our sim team </div> you would want nothing more then marcus to become a complete failure so you can add to your fake ego. </div> This is hilarious coming from a guy who started a thread just to have everyone read his lame-ass predictions so he could crow about the one time he was actually right about something.
Jizzy, I can see it clearly it now. Take it easy, that's all their personal opinions, if they are really good to predict someone who is going to be a good player or a bad player, they are already ESPN writers.
What exactly is different about him from what he has shown us in summer league and these past few games, as compared to last year? Ive seen too little of improvement in summer league, and how exactly did he improve while rehabbing from the injury? He plays no defense, his decision making is inconsistent, when he does shoot he mostly goes for the more difficult shot attempt, etc. Right now he is an average backup point guard, nothing more.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 23 2007, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 23 2007, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 23 2007, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus Williams has done nothing in his entire basketball career (college or pro) to warrant such emotional, fanatical support. Basically the guy has been immature at best and a complete dumbass at worst.</div> Yet you still managed to convince me to draft him for our sim team </div> you would want nothing more then marcus to become a complete failure so you can add to your fake ego. </div> This is hilarious coming from a guy who started a thread just to have everyone read his lame-ass predictions so he could crow about the one time he was actually right about something. </div> so what? i dont want players to fail like Cpaw.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 23 2007, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 23 2007, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus Williams has done nothing in his entire basketball career (college or pro) to warrant such emotional, fanatical support. Basically the guy has been immature at best and a complete dumbass at worst.</div> OH BULLSHIT. he was a lottery pick and clearly the best pure PG in the draft. for you to sum him up as a scrub after one year in the league in which he showed promise is just.... unbelievable. I honestly cant beleive this. he's been active for 3 games after breaking his goddamn foot and you all have this agenda and ar enow putting it in effect against him. </div> I'm convinced you can't read. Do you ever respond to what's actually in a post? It's impossible to discuss anything with you because your comprehension is so poor. </div> whats the problem? you said Marcus has done nothing on the NBA or COLLEGE level to deserve such emotional praise. Clearly he has done something on the COLLEGE level and to most of a degree, on the NBA level as well. some, like you, just have there minds made up about him.
We don't say Marcus is a Good player Now, but you can not judge him as a scrub by two games. Playing no defense? Sorry, I've watched all the Nets ball games, when he was on the court, I was thrilled, and he played well, and didn't turn the ball over even just coming off the surgery ! He didn't give up many points for his man. I doubt whether you have watched every game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 23 2007, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 23 2007, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 23 2007, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus Williams has done nothing in his entire basketball career (college or pro) to warrant such emotional, fanatical support. Basically the guy has been immature at best and a complete dumbass at worst.</div> Yet you still managed to convince me to draft him for our sim team </div> you would want nothing more then marcus to become a complete failure so you can add to your fake ego. </div> This is hilarious coming from a guy who started a thread just to have everyone read his lame-ass predictions so he could crow about the one time he was actually right about something. </div> so what? i dont want players to fail like Cpaw. </div> Well, we are Nets fans and cpawfan has a little bit different perspective. He's not a die-hard Nets fan.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 23 2007, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 23 2007, 11:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 11:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 23 2007, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 23 2007, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus Williams has done nothing in his entire basketball career (college or pro) to warrant such emotional, fanatical support. Basically the guy has been immature at best and a complete dumbass at worst.</div> Yet you still managed to convince me to draft him for our sim team </div> you would want nothing more then marcus to become a complete failure so you can add to your fake ego. </div> This is hilarious coming from a guy who started a thread just to have everyone read his lame-ass predictions so he could crow about the one time he was actually right about something. </div> so what? i dont want players to fail like Cpaw. </div> Well, we are Nets fans and cpawfan has a little bit different perspective. He's not a die-hard Nets fan. </div> Here, let me set this straight: Cpaw is a KENYON MARTIN fan who follows the Nuggets moreso then the Nets. only reaosn he even cares enough about the Nets to watch a game or two was due to kenyon martin being on the nets
Question: In the last three games that Marcus played, how many turnover did he make when he came off the surgery? 1) 4 2) 3 3) 2 4) 1 5) 0
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 11:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so what? i dont want players to fail like Cpaw.</div> You can stop talking out of your ass any time now. Your statement isn't remotely close to true
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid @ Dec 23 2007, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We don't say Marcus is a Good player Now, but you can not judge him by two games. Playing no defense? Sorry, I've watched all the Nets ball games, when he was on the court, I was thrilled, and he played well, and didn't turn the ball over even just coming off the surgery ! He didn't give up many points for his man. I doubt whether you have watched every game.</div> For Christ's sake, I'm basing him off these past three games, plus summer league. I have also said in another thread that he is still young so he still has the potential to be a good pg since he has the talent. And if you watched the games, this and last season, and summer league, then you can see he is easy to get past on the defensive end. He showed minimal improvement during the summer league, and there is no way he could improve from summer league while rehabbing his ankle. With all that said, I know he just got back from injury, but the player we all saw last season and in summer league was not impressive. He was turnover prone and a freaking swinging door on defense.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 23 2007, 11:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 11:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 23 2007, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus Williams has done nothing in his entire basketball career (college or pro) to warrant such emotional, fanatical support. Basically the guy has been immature at best and a complete dumbass at worst.</div> OH BULLSHIT. he was a lottery pick and clearly the best pure PG in the draft. for you to sum him up as a scrub after one year in the league in which he showed promise is just.... unbelievable. I honestly cant beleive this. he's been active for 3 games after breaking his goddamn foot and you all have this agenda and ar enow putting it in effect against him. </div> I'm convinced you can't read. Do you ever respond to what's actually in a post? It's impossible to discuss anything with you because your comprehension is so poor. </div> whats the problem? you said Marcus has done nothing on the NBA or COLLEGE level to deserve such emotional praise. Clearly he has done something on the COLLEGE level and to most of a degree, on the NBA level as well. some, like you, just have there minds made up about him. </div> He hasn't been a good teammate. He's acted like a selfish brat his entire basketball life. Yet here are people ranting and cursing in a fervor over some justified criticism. Why? Because he has talent? He can still develop his talent and minimize his weaknesses (like Mark Jackson did), but so far both his attitude and his play have stunk.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 23 2007, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here, let me set this straight: Cpaw is a KENYON MARTIN fan who follows the Nuggets moreso then the Nets. only reaosn he even cares enough about the Nets to watch a game or two was due to kenyon martin being on the nets</div> I do not follow the Nuggets more than the Nets I've also been following the NBA longer than you have been alive
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Dec 23 2007, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid @ Dec 23 2007, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We don't say Marcus is a Good player Now, but you can not judge him by two games. Playing no defense? Sorry, I've watched all the Nets ball games, when he was on the court, I was thrilled, and he played well, and didn't turn the ball over even just coming off the surgery ! He didn't give up many points for his man. I doubt whether you have watched every game.</div> For Christ's sake, I'm basing him off these past three games, plus summer league. I have also said in another thread that he is still young so he still has the potential to be a good pg since he has the talent. And if you watched the games, this and last season, and summer league, then you can see he is easy to get past on the defensive end. He showed minimal improvement during the summer league, and there is no way he could improve from summer league while rehabbing his ankle. With all that said, I know he just got back from injury, but the player we all saw last season and in summer league was not impressive. </div> I know he was not good defensively in the rookie season, and I admit it, I didn't say he was not bad in defensive end. I mean, in the new season, even coming off the surgery, he is really fine, didn't make the mistake, and not playing no defense. He was in the first team in the summer league. And in the LA league, he scored 41 points. There is no relationship between now and his last season. Sean Williams was even worse in the summer league, but he is better than what he was in the summer league. Marcus broke his foot in 9/29, there were still so much time for him to train after he participated the summer league, how can you say He won't be improved? Why can't he train his basketball skills before he got injured?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 23 2007, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Marcus Williams has done nothing in his entire basketball career (college or pro) to warrant such emotional, fanatical support. Basically the guy has been immature at best and a complete dumbass at worst.</div> well, whatever the case may be, it's never good to see any ball player hurt, and it's always good to cheer them on coming back, whether they're scrubs or lebron james. much love and respect for the sport and each other
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid @ Dec 23 2007, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Dec 23 2007, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid @ Dec 23 2007, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We don't say Marcus is a Good player Now, but you can not judge him by two games. Playing no defense? Sorry, I've watched all the Nets ball games, when he was on the court, I was thrilled, and he played well, and didn't turn the ball over even just coming off the surgery ! He didn't give up many points for his man. I doubt whether you have watched every game.</div> For Christ's sake, I'm basing him off these past three games, plus summer league. I have also said in another thread that he is still young so he still has the potential to be a good pg since he has the talent. And if you watched the games, this and last season, and summer league, then you can see he is easy to get past on the defensive end. He showed minimal improvement during the summer league, and there is no way he could improve from summer league while rehabbing his ankle. With all that said, I know he just got back from injury, but the player we all saw last season and in summer league was not impressive. </div> I know he was not good defensively in the rookie season, and I admit it, I didn't say he was not bad in defensive end. I mean, in the new season, even coming off the surgery, he is really fine, didn't make the mistake, and not playing no defense. He is in the first team in the summer league. And in the LA league, he scored 41 points. There is no relationship between now and his last season. Sean Williams is even worse in the summer league, but he is better than what he was in the summer league. Marcus broke his foot in 9/29, there are still so much time for him to train after he participated the summer league, how can you say He won't be improved? Why can't he train his basketball skills before he got injured? </div> Jarkid, Marcus is a below average defender! Get it through your head! Watch the games from summer league again if you can, where we saw the true Marcus Williams before the injury and after last season. Since 9/29, he was rehabbing from the injury, meaning he was in no shape to freaking improve. For Marcus's case, there is a relevance between this season and last because we have seen little improvement from summer league. Scoring 41 points in summer league just tells us something we already knew about him, he could score. Look at the stats of the opposing guards and looked how much they scored on him. Sean is basically excused when looking at his summer league play because one, summer league is guard dominated, and two, he didnt play organized ball for months before then.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Dec 23 2007, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid @ Dec 23 2007, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Dec 23 2007, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid @ Dec 23 2007, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We don't say Marcus is a Good player Now, but you can not judge him by two games. Playing no defense? Sorry, I've watched all the Nets ball games, when he was on the court, I was thrilled, and he played well, and didn't turn the ball over even just coming off the surgery ! He didn't give up many points for his man. I doubt whether you have watched every game.</div> For Christ's sake, I'm basing him off these past three games, plus summer league. I have also said in another thread that he is still young so he still has the potential to be a good pg since he has the talent. And if you watched the games, this and last season, and summer league, then you can see he is easy to get past on the defensive end. He showed minimal improvement during the summer league, and there is no way he could improve from summer league while rehabbing his ankle. With all that said, I know he just got back from injury, but the player we all saw last season and in summer league was not impressive. </div> I know he was not good defensively in the rookie season, and I admit it, I didn't say he was not bad in defensive end. I mean, in the new season, even coming off the surgery, he is really fine, didn't make the mistake, and not playing no defense. He is in the first team in the summer league. And in the LA league, he scored 41 points. There is no relationship between now and his last season. Sean Williams is even worse in the summer league, but he is better than what he was in the summer league. Marcus broke his foot in 9/29, there are still so much time for him to train after he participated the summer league, how can you say He won't be improved? Why can't he train his basketball skills before he got injured? </div> Jarkid, Marcus is a below average defender! Get it through your head! Watch the games from summer league again if you can, where we saw the true Marcus Williams before the injury and after last season. Since 9/29, he was rehabbing from the injury, meaning he was in no shape to freaking improve. For Marcus's case, there is a relevance between this season and last because we have seen little improvement from summer league. Scoring 41 points in summer league just tells us something we already knew about him, he could score. Look at the stats of the opposing guards and looked how much they scored on him. Sean is basically excused when looking at his summer league play because one, summer league is guard dominated, and two, he didnt play organized ball for months before then. </div> I have the boxscore information around my board, and I just checked how many points did the opposing guards score in the summer league, as what I saw, they are not fired up on Marcus. Daequan Cook 7 points (FG:2/13) Marcus 28 points Kevin Kruger 11 points (FG:3/7) Marcus 19 points Bobby Brown 16 points (FG:7/18) Marucs 16 points Only Sepholosha scored 25 points in 35 mins, while Marcus played 28 mins. Don't take excuse, playing in the summer league, doesn't mean you won't be better than what you had done in the summer league. I know he is not a good defender, but what I saw in the his first three games, he was fine, he didn't give up many points and making turnovers. Stop your biased opinion on him, judge him after two more months.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid @ Dec 24 2007, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Dec 23 2007, 11:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid @ Dec 23 2007, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Dec 23 2007, 11:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid @ Dec 23 2007, 11:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We don't say Marcus is a Good player Now, but you can not judge him by two games. Playing no defense? Sorry, I've watched all the Nets ball games, when he was on the court, I was thrilled, and he played well, and didn't turn the ball over even just coming off the surgery ! He didn't give up many points for his man. I doubt whether you have watched every game.</div> For Christ's sake, I'm basing him off these past three games, plus summer league. I have also said in another thread that he is still young so he still has the potential to be a good pg since he has the talent. And if you watched the games, this and last season, and summer league, then you can see he is easy to get past on the defensive end. He showed minimal improvement during the summer league, and there is no way he could improve from summer league while rehabbing his ankle. With all that said, I know he just got back from injury, but the player we all saw last season and in summer league was not impressive. </div> I know he was not good defensively in the rookie season, and I admit it, I didn't say he was not bad in defensive end. I mean, in the new season, even coming off the surgery, he is really fine, didn't make the mistake, and not playing no defense. He is in the first team in the summer league. And in the LA league, he scored 41 points. There is no relationship between now and his last season. Sean Williams is even worse in the summer league, but he is better than what he was in the summer league. Marcus broke his foot in 9/29, there are still so much time for him to train after he participated the summer league, how can you say He won't be improved? Why can't he train his basketball skills before he got injured? </div> Jarkid, Marcus is a below average defender! Get it through your head! Watch the games from summer league again if you can, where we saw the true Marcus Williams before the injury and after last season. Since 9/29, he was rehabbing from the injury, meaning he was in no shape to freaking improve. For Marcus's case, there is a relevance between this season and last because we have seen little improvement from summer league. Scoring 41 points in summer league just tells us something we already knew about him, he could score. Look at the stats of the opposing guards and looked how much they scored on him. Sean is basically excused when looking at his summer league play because one, summer league is guard dominated, and two, he didnt play organized ball for months before then. </div> I have the boxscore information around my board, and I just checked how many points did the opposing guards score in the summer league, as what I saw, they are not fired up on Marcus. Daequan Cook 7 points (FG:2/13) Marcus 28 points Kevin Kruger 11 points (FG:3/7) Marcus 19 points Bobby Brown 16 points (FG:7/18) Marucs 16 points Only Sepholosha scored 25 points in 35 mins, while Marcus played 28 mins. Don't take excuse, playing in the summer league, doesn't mean you won't be better than what you had done in the summer league. I know he is not a good defender, but what I saw in the his first three games, he was fine, he didn't give up many points and making turnovers. Stop your biased opinion on him, judge him after two more months. </div> Ive judged him from summer league, nothing else. That was the last time we saw the so called "improved Marcus". Ive watched those summer league games. They blew right past him, just couldnt finish or Marcus's teammates were forced to foul the player who blew past Marcus. He didnt get many points or turnovers because he has played so little. Stop trying to support a player who didnt show much now and back when he was playing his best in the summer.
