look at how Portland is playing, beautiful ball movement, players cutting, shooters shooting, rebounders rebounding, Roy Roy-ing. It makes me pretty envious that a team like Portland can play like a TEAM yet we play more like a bunch of strangers.
In alot of ways it's easier for a young coach to get that out of a team full of younger more impressionable players who have literally no pressure on them to be as good as they are. Frank motivating our vets into playing hard is a completely different scenario. Rightfully it should be the other way around but it just isn't.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Dec 22 2007, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In alot of ways it's easier for a young coach to get that out of a team full of younger more impressionable players who have literally no pressure on them to be as good as they are. Frank motivating our vets into playing hard is a completely different scenario. Rightfully it should be the other way around but it just isn't.</div> agreed. hopefully once we blow it up, we can play somewhat like a young, hungry team. doubtful though, with Frank controlling everything like a freakin video game. I wish McMillan was our coach.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 22 2007, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>agreed. hopefully once we blow it up, we can play somewhat like a young, hungry team. doubtful though, with Frank controlling everything like a freakin video game. I wish McMillan was our coach.</div> McMillan is just as controlling don't get it twisted. In no way is he the good cop to Frank's bad cop. He has a great young leader in Roy and trusts his decision making and deservedly so through earning it. As much as I love our young players the difference between Roy's mentality and theirs is enormous. Look at how McMillan treats Sergio, there's not much difference between he and how Frank treats Marcus with Frank actually being a somewhat more lenient. Starting over would take a alot of work and commitment from the upper management, coaching staff, and a lot of blind luck. Frank would assuredly have a rough time trying to coach players through their mistakes as he's spoiled in alot of ways having Kidd/ VC/RJ for so long but he would be an excellent guy to have showing young kids what they should and shouldn't do on a basketball court because the guy knows his stuff.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Dec 22 2007, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In alot of ways it's easier for a young coach to get that out of a team full of younger more impressionable players who have literally no pressure on them to be as good as they are. Frank motivating our vets into playing hard is a completely different scenario. Rightfully it should be the other way around but it just isn't.</div> That's exactly why this team needs a coach who played the game. I strongly believe that only marquee coaches who have been successfull in this league or a coach who was a successful NBA player who the players respect and can relate too. Lawrence Frank who shows no love for young also gets no respect from his vets.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 22 2007, 11:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Dec 22 2007, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In alot of ways it's easier for a young coach to get that out of a team full of younger more impressionable players who have literally no pressure on them to be as good as they are. Frank motivating our vets into playing hard is a completely different scenario. Rightfully it should be the other way around but it just isn't.</div> That's exactly why this team needs a coach who played the game. I strongly believe that only marquee coaches who have been successfull in this league or a coach who was a successful NBA player who the players respect and can relate too. Lawrence Frank who shows no love for young also gets no respect from his vets. </div> I think having a guy who's been in that position on the floor does get more respect but at the same time we have players on our team who know what it takes to be successful and approach the game lazily at times and there's as much onus on them as there is on the coach. Again, I love our young players but they are still making strides to show the coaching staff that the stuff they ask them. Simply, none of them have fully earned it yet, especially not at a level that Roy has on Portland. This team was built on the idea that our vets would lead our youth and IMO they're setting a bad standard as we hear more about whats going on behind the scenes than we do see the cohesion we should be seeing at this point in the season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Dec 22 2007, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 22 2007, 11:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>agreed. hopefully once we blow it up, we can play somewhat like a young, hungry team. doubtful though, with Frank controlling everything like a freakin video game. I wish McMillan was our coach.</div> McMillan is just as controlling don't get it twisted. In no way is he the good cop to Frank's bad cop. He has a great young leader in Roy and trusts his decision making and deservedly so through earning it. As much as I love our young players the difference between Roy's mentality and theirs is enormous. Look at how McMillan treats Sergio, there's not much difference between he and how Frank treats Marcus with Frank actually being a somewhat more lenient. Starting over would take a alot of work and commitment from the upper management, coaching staff, and a lot of blind luck. Frank would assuredly have a rough time trying to coach players through their mistakes as he's spoiled in alot of ways having Kidd/ VC/RJ for so long but he would be an excellent guy to have showing young kids what they should and shouldn't do on a basketball court because the guy knows his stuff. </div> Actually, honestly, I love McMillan as a coach. I'm not entirely sure, but as evidence by Seattle and Portland, after a year of getting familiar with a team and it's players, he really gets them playing good, and gets them playing to their strengths. You've gotta love what he's done for Seattle the year before last and with Portland these last couple years. Granted he gets great players to work with (Rid, Lewis, Daniels, Allen in Seattle; and Blake, Outlaw, Web, Roy, Aldridge, Pryz in Portland), he knows exactly how to get them to succeed. I'm not saying that Frank is a shitty coach, because he's had alot of bullshit (and injuries) he's had to work with, but I really wish McMillan was a coach on this team. Just imagine what he could do...
who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland. Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland. Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams</div> You've just gotta have the right guys running things. Add the Raps and Hawks to that list while you're at it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland. Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams</div> You've just gotta have the right guys running things. Add the Raps and Hawks to that list while you're at it. </div> Thank you I left that out but you're so right. I don't know if I would include the Hawks. They have not drafted well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland. Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams</div> You've just gotta have the right guys running things. Add the Raps and Hawks to that list while you're at it. </div> Thank you I left that out but you're so right. I don't know if I would include the Hawks. They have not drafted well. </div> Shit! Yall should add the Timberwolves on the list.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland. Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams</div> You've just gotta have the right guys running things. Add the Raps and Hawks to that list while you're at it. </div> Thank you I left that out but you're so right. I don't know if I would include the Hawks. They have not drafted well. </div> I dunno about that. Smith, Williams, Childress, and Horford are looking great! out there right about now. They've got a 14-12 record, and that's thanks in large part to those young guys. Of course, AJ and JJ are a big reason for their record, also. The only guys who aren't workin out great right now are Shelden, Law, and Salim. And Shelden has his moments, while Law is currently injured. I say their drafting has been a real success, right about now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 22 2007, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you dislike Frank, you would hate Nate</div> I wouldn't like Nate. I would like Rick Carlisle.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 22 2007, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you dislike Frank, you would hate Nate</div> I wouldn't like Nate. I would like Rick Carlisle. </div> A big problem with Carlisle is that he has interpersonal communication problems, especially with front office support personnel.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland. Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams</div> I don't think rebuilding works. Portland has been horrible for seemingly forever and I will guess they miss the playoffs again this season. They really haven't done anything in 7 or so years. Magic have been a rather easy first round exit. or have missed the playoffs completely, every year for the past 10 years. N.O. Hornets still haven't done anything worth mentioning. I don't care for rebuilding at all. I think it's slow and pointless, unless you get real lucky. And most teams don't get that lucky.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kiddisanet @ Dec 22 2007, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Dec 22 2007, 03:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>who ever it was that says rebuilding doesn't work should look at Portland. Also take a peak at the Jazz, Magic, Hornets and some more teams</div> I don't think rebuilding works. Portland has been horrible for seemingly forever and I will guess they miss the playoffs again this season. They really haven't done anything in 7 or so years. Magic have been a rather easy first round exit. or have missed the playoffs completely, every year for the past 10 years. N.O. Hornets still haven't done anything worth mentioning. I don't care for rebuilding at all. I think it's slow and pointless, unless you get real lucky. And most teams don't get that lucky. </div> ummmmmmmmmmm what????? Portland just went a whole new direction this year. Getting rid of Zach and trading and adding players. Look at their recent success. Think about this alot of people were thinking this team will be good but not this soon and not without Greg. So remember that. The Magic just made the playoffs in year three of Dwight. That just three years after moving on from the T-mac era. Now they're sitting at number 3 seed of the east. Funny you mention the first round exit last year but that won't happen this year. Also in the years to come when Dwight is what Shaq used to be we will see how you feel then. The Hornets traded Baron Davis and Mashburn and are doing pretty well. 16-10 plus Chris Paul Peja and Chandler who has finally become the player people thought he would. The Jazz had to wait a while and even through their recent struggle they still went to the conference finals last year. Rebuilding does work. It might not work as fast as you want it and as Peg put it you have the right guys running things. It might happen slow but as they say Rome wasn't built in a day. Also if you look at the magic being a first round exits as failure what the heck does that say about the Nets the last 4 years??
