Nene would be Denver's big. He's got a big contract, too, so the move makes sense for them. How old is Kidd, 34 too?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 24 2007, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This would be a move to retool around Vince. With Vince dominating the ball, there isn't much need for a PG. Get JR Smith in the trade so that his cocky little ass will challenge Vince to dunk and 3 point shooting contests after practice. That will get Vince's juices flowing. All of the Nets problems solved because Vince would be on the war path.</div> I can't tell if this is serious, or sarcasm.
This is one of the few trade scenarios where we actually get back a good player AND picks. Kidd/Melo/AI aren't gonna do anything without a big man in the middle so those picks would be mid first rounders at worst. If this was a realistic trade, which it's not, i'd do this for sure. Camby is a versatile big man with a pretty decent jumpshot who sees the floor well and can facilitate others. Sure he has a penchant for missing games but he's still a top 5 center in the league.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ Dec 24 2007, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is one of the few trade scenarios where we actually get back a good player AND picks. Kidd/Melo/AI aren't gonna do anything without a big man in the middle so those picks would be mid first rounders at worst. If this was a realistic trade, which it's not, i'd do this for sure. Camby is a versatile big man with a pretty decent jumpshot who sees the floor well and can facilitate others. Sure he has a penchant for missing games but he's still a top 5 center in the league.</div> The Nuggets would be fine in the middle if they only traded one of Camby, Nene, or Kenyon.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 24 2007, 02:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nuggets would be fine in the middle if they only traded one of Camby, Nene, or Kenyon.</div> I'm not really a big Nene fan and Kenyon's body is a ticking time bomb so i'd take my chances on that one personally. I think they would need another move after the Kidd one to solidify that team IMO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 24 2007, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This would be a move to retool around Vince. With Vince dominating the ball, there isn't much need for a PG. Get JR Smith in the trade so that his cocky little ass will challenge Vince to dunk and 3 point shooting contests after practice. That will get Vince's juices flowing. All of the Nets problems solved because Vince would be on the war path.</div> Are u bein' sarcastic?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Dec 24 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 24 2007, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This would be a move to retool around Vince. With Vince dominating the ball, there isn't much need for a PG. Get JR Smith in the trade so that his cocky little ass will challenge Vince to dunk and 3 point shooting contests after practice. That will get Vince's juices flowing. All of the Nets problems solved because Vince would be on the war path.</div> Are u bein' sarcastic? </div>If he wasn't, he was being pretty unrealistic lol. I agree that a team could be built around Vince, and that he could be the primary ballhandler, but it would be best if he didn't have to be the main ballhandler for more than 25 mpg. If you had someone else to cover the remaining 20 it would work out. As for JR Smith making Vince's juices flowing... Isn't that what RJ is for? Anyway, Camby is like a jump shooting center with injury problems, the Nets need to go for a low-post center.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Dec 24 2007, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Dec 24 2007, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 24 2007, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This would be a move to retool around Vince. With Vince dominating the ball, there isn't much need for a PG. Get JR Smith in the trade so that his cocky little ass will challenge Vince to dunk and 3 point shooting contests after practice. That will get Vince's juices flowing. All of the Nets problems solved because Vince would be on the war path.</div> Are u bein' sarcastic? </div>If he wasn't, he was being pretty unrealistic lol. I agree that a team could be built around Vince, and that he could be the primary ballhandler, but it would be best if he didn't have to be the main ballhandler for more than 25 mpg. If you had someone else to cover the remaining 20 it would work out. As for JR Smith making Vince's juices flowing... Isn't that what RJ is for? Anyway, Camby is like a jump shooting center with injury problems, the Nets need to go for a low-post center. </div> True that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Dec 24 2007, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 24 2007, 02:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This would be a move to retool around Vince. With Vince dominating the ball, there isn't much need for a PG. Get JR Smith in the trade so that his cocky little ass will challenge Vince to dunk and 3 point shooting contests after practice. That will get Vince's juices flowing. All of the Nets problems solved because Vince would be on the war path.</div> I can't tell if this is serious, or sarcasm. </div> It's most definetly sarcasm.
I agree with what BR said. If we trade Kidd, we want young talent, not old heads. We take back Camby, stay in mediocrity even longer. If we are a middle of the road team with Kidd, and you replace Kidd with Camby, what do you think will happen? By the time those picks even matter, Camby will be broken down, as he's Mr. Glass.
Camby would just take away Boone and William's minutes and stunt there growth besides that if we trade Kidd we get young talent not a second tier aging Center.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Dec 24 2007, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with what BR said. If we trade Kidd, we want young talent, not old heads. We take back Camby, stay in mediocrity even longer. If we are a middle of the road team with Kidd, and you replace Kidd with Camby, what do you think will happen? By the time those picks even matter, Camby will be broken down, as he's Mr. Glass.</div> Camby's contract is pretty reasonable IMO. I would love for the Nets to pay him that just to mentor Sean and Josh. Now, Camby is made of glass and will most likely miss 30% of the rest of his contract but if we get back picks along with that, I'm on board. Camby/Sean/Josh frontcourt looks pretty sweet from where I'm standing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Dec 24 2007, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Dec 24 2007, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree with what BR said. If we trade Kidd, we want young talent, not old heads. We take back Camby, stay in mediocrity even longer. If we are a middle of the road team with Kidd, and you replace Kidd with Camby, what do you think will happen? By the time those picks even matter, Camby will be broken down, as he's Mr. Glass.</div> Camby's contract is pretty reasonable IMO. I would love for the Nets to pay him that just to mentor Sean and Josh. Now, Camby is made of glass and will most likely miss 30% of the rest of his contract but if we get back picks along with that, I'm on board. Camby/Sean/Josh frontcourt looks pretty sweet from where I'm standing. </div> Camby/Sean/Josh frontcourt brings us where? No where. Why get Camby and waste the rest of career by sticking to being a middle of a road team, when instead Camby we could get younger players with picks? Getting Camby would just waste his time with the team, because, like I said earlier, we would go nowhere. If we trade pick, you need to go young so the picks and players coincide. Getting one talented player back would do no good, because we won't go anywhere with him. That frontcourt looks pretty sweet? Where's it gonna take us? Camby will be done by the time the picks come into play, and all we will have gotten was a couple picks for Jason Kidd. We need to get young talent in return, too, if we do trade Kidd.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Dec 24 2007, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Camby's contract is pretty reasonable IMO. I would love for the Nets to pay him that just to mentor Sean and Josh.</div> That's my thought on the "rumored deal" too. Who says Camby has to stay here for the rest of his career? His contract is alot easier to trade than Kidd's is and we can get even more assets from someone looking for a center to put them over the top but not before Marcus gives our young kids a couple pointers before being shipped out. I really don't think Kidd's gonna bring back immediate assets to start rebuilding this summer so why not bring in a player who can draw some interest from other teams seeing as they don't have to send us half their team like they would for Kidd. There's seriously a handful of post up bigmen even left in the league and all of them worth getting are untouchable. Anyone sticking their nose up at Camby just because he likes taking jumpers doesn't get exactly how much he can bring to a team. Could the Nets do better? I guess we'll see, but a name like Camby is much more encouraging to me than Kwame Brown and his expiring deal in the mindset of Rod playing the FA market.
Sure Camby could teach Boone and Sean a thing or two. Jason Kidd could teach Marcus a thing or two as well, in addition to keeping the entire team together, too.
Denver's probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite west team, but I definitly wouldn't give Kidd over to them. I don't think there's anything logical in a trade involving Kidd to Denver for either parties.
If the Nets want to get young talent, Denver is a no go. They have virtually none, except for Bobby Jones, who is a favorite of Dumpy. Thing is Camby, Nene, and KMart are all injury prone. You're taking a risk if you take one of those three back in a trade. Not to mention a trio of Kidd, AI, Melo, and probably two of the three big men they have now would barring any injuries most likely keep any first round picks in the late 20's. I don't see how trading with Denver makes any sense whatsoever.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Dec 25 2007, 01:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If the Nets want to get young talent, Denver is a no go. They have virtually none, except for Bobby Jones, who is a favorite of Dumpy. Thing is Camby, Nene, and KMart are all injury prone. You're taking a risk if you take one of those three back in a trade. Not to mention a trio of Kidd, AI, Melo, and probably two of the three big men they have now would barring any injuries most likely keep any first round picks in the late 20's. I don't see how trading with Denver makes any sense whatsoever.</div> Great post, I agree. Not sure I believe in this Camby giving Sean and Boone pointers idea. It seems more like he'll be taking away minutes from them to learn during real games.
If we want to teach Sean and Boone about post defense, we might as well wait till the off-season and nab Theo Ratliff for cheap.
