Micheal Vick INDICTED!

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  1. JustBry07

    JustBry07 The Underdog

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    Hey Fellas,</p>

    It's good to be back, this place has changed way too much. Anyway I'm going to throw my 2 cents in here on the Michael Vick subject.</p>

    Vick's guilty, I don't support what he's done and I won't defendwhat he's done either. I only support him when it comes to football, and it doesn't look like he will be participating much this season. Joey Harrington at QB? It's frightening, andI've been too depressed to even talk football. Ask me if I'd rather have Vick or Harrington as the QB of my favorite teamand I'll tell you Vick everytime, but that's besides the point.FYI, I hope Vick is punished accordingly, I'm very disappointed that he couldn't get his shittogether and just play football rather thaninvolving himself in such stupidity. He was on top of the world and nowhe's losing it all, but he has no one to blame buthimself. I've been one ofhis biggest supporters for a long timeand I won't lie this stings like hell, because now my football team will suffer with Joey Harrington. </p>

    Here's my confession: If he continues to be a Falcon and plays ball I will probably with out a doubt support him, but only as a football playernot as a fellow human being. I'm sure I'll get criticized for that but I couldn't care less really; it is what it is and I've taken the beatings before. Just feels good to get it off my chest!</p>

    JB</p>
     
  2. TheBeef

    TheBeef Commish of FUN!

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    Justbry in the house! Its about time....I dont think anyone will jump you for being honest(except maybe BF1).....we all have thugs on our teams that we root for on Sundays....I dont think your going to have the problem though, because I think he ever plays there again
     
  3. The Return of the Raider

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    No one is disputing what the law "is". What I was bringing up was why we decided that should be right, and this should be wrong. It doesn't matter how you kill something, you took its life, period. When cows are slaughtered, they arent always given "humane" execution ("I have never electrocuted anything in my life" so what? its all the same result). They are often shot in the forehead at point blank, or have their juggular veins cut. The method of execution is not relevant. We control animal life or death in this country, for food or otherwise. Grilling people for dog-fighting is sheer hypocicy on a grand scale. Animals are meant to be our pets, our food, and our entertainment. This is the way we live in America. Saying that dogs get "family" status and other intelligent mammals do not is simply ignorance or lack of education. Pigs can make perfectly good pets, and this has been proven. You are just speaking from your own family's perspective, and one that has been socialized into you, but not based on science.</p>

    It sounds like you are following the law and have nothing to worry about. Good for you.</p>

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'> </p>

    I am keenly aware of how public opinion ruined OJ Simpson. OJ was on trial for murder. Vick is not being accused of murdering anyone, is he? It's OK to kill cows and pigs on a massive scale, sell their meat to Burger King, and make a huge profit from it. It's not OK to raise dogs for fighting, make a very small amount of money, and kill off a *few* of them. What is the difference? Is it because its a dog and not a cow or pig? Is it the method in which they killed the dogs that makes it worse? </p>

    In some parts of the world, cows are worshipped. They would never think of raising them with steroids, slaughtering them unceremoniously for their meat. Why is it that , all of the sudden, we are so sensitive when dogs are getting disrespected and killed at the hands of human beings? Both are intelligent mammals. Both have edible meat.</p>

    I eat mammals everyday. Please help me understand why raising your own animals, and using them for your own profit is somehow morally objectionable on one hand, and not the other, provided you are not training them to harm human beings.</p>

    The bottom line...if you eat meat, and you are ready to send Mike Vick to jail, then you are complete hypocite and a fraud. There really is no middle ground here. In our country, we are the masters over all animals. You are either a member of PETA and a vegetarian, or you are a meat eater and are ok with what Mike Vick is accused of.</div></p>

    I may eat meat but the last I checked I have never electrocuted anything in my life. I have never raised animals to viciously attack one another. You don&rsquo;t see Cows or Pigs trying to tear each apart limb from limb. We raise dogs as pets. Anyone who has had a dog and cared for it will tell you that it is apart of your family. For the most part you don&lsquo;t see nor hear about cows, pigs, and chickens as family. I think instead of calling people who eat meat hypocrites and frauds for thinking Vick is morally wrong for what he did you should go straight the government and propose we change at least one law in this country. The FACT is dog fighting is against the law. Plain and simple. Raising cattle is not. Going to the store, buying a steak, and eating it is not against the law. Mike Vick "allegedly" broke the law. I did not. I don't have to be placed in the same category as an "alleged" criminal because I eat meat. My record is clean. I have never spent a night in jail. Mike Vick if convicted will be going to prison. Not me. Why because I followed the law. He didn't and that's the bottom line. </p></div>
     
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    I agree that Vick is guilty, and I personally cannot wait until he gets locked up for six years. Reading that 18-page indictment was absolutely horrible, and I hope he gets what is coming to him...</p>

    Any news on that co-defendant who reportedly agreed to a plea deal? I'd imagine that is going to screw Vick over even more, because he would be able to give exact dates and the exact extent to which Vick participated in the entire thing.</p>
     
  5. The Return of the Raider

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    After getting everyone's opinion here, I am not convinced that there is anything wrong with gladiator-type fighting among animals. If we raise intelligent animals to eventually execute them, then what is wrong withpitting two against each other, with the chance that one of them will survive. We don't need toeat their meat to survive, we do it because it tastes good. People can live just fine on beans and rice. So what not use them for other forms of entertainment? It's all the same.</p>

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    I think it is wrong... but then again, if Vick "allegedly" ran a brutal ring of fighting animals other than dogs or cats, then I don't think there would be this huge of an outcry against it. The biggest reason the public is overwhelmed by the entire ring is because of the roles that dogs play in families all over this country. We are sympathetic towards two things in this country: our children and our pets. Right or wrong, but that's the way the majority of people in this country feel, and that is a big reason why people are calling for Vick's head over this (and I am one of them).
     
  7. porky88

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    No one is disputing what the law "is". What I was bringing up was why we decided that should be right, and this should be wrong. It doesn't matter how you kill something, you took its life, period. When cows are slaughtered, they arent always given "humane" execution ("I have never electrocuted anything in my life" so what? its all the same result). They are often shot in the forehead at point blank, or have their juggular veins cut. The method of execution is not relevant. We control animal life or death in this country, for food or otherwise. Grilling people for dog-fighting is sheer hypocicy on a grand scale. Animals are meant to be our pets, our food, and our entertainment. This is the way we live in America. Saying that dogs get "family" status and other intelligent mammals do not is simply ignorance or lack of education. Pigs can make perfectly good pets, and this has been proven. You are just speaking from your own family's perspective, and one that has been socialized into you, but not based on science.</p>

    It sounds like you are following the law and have nothing to worry about. Good for you.</div></p>

    I think your stance on this is people have two sides to chooseand that's it.That's ignorant and not the case. It's not packers vs. raiders. What makes people thinkso poorly of Vick is he did this for sport. That's it. He did it for is own amusement. Call me a fraud all you want but anyone who watches animals tear each other apartfor their own joy has problems. Just like it was back in the old Gladiator days. </p>

    In my opinion that was wrong. Good movie tho. [​IMG]I eat food because I have to to stay alive but I would never take another animal and train it to kill just for my joy. Vick took an animal trained it to be a killer. He trained it to take another dogs life. Vick new the law and broke it. That is not an argument. I don't see the issue in myself or others thinking whathe mayof did was wrong because it was his other hobby. The issue is not Vick killed a dog. What a bad guy. The issue is the choice he made in life to associate himself with dogfighting. It's pretty simple. Failing to understand the difference makesone blindand non objective.</p>



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  8. The Return of the Raider

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (porky88)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'>

    No one is disputing what the law "is". What I was bringing up was why we decided that should be right, and this should be wrong. It doesn't matter how you kill something, you took its life, period. When cows are slaughtered, they arent always given "humane" execution ("I have never electrocuted anything in my life" so what? its all the same result). They are often shot in the forehead at point blank, or have their juggular veins cut. The method of execution is not relevant. We control animal life or death in this country, for food or otherwise. Grilling people for dog-fighting is sheer hypocicy on a grand scale. Animals are meant to be our pets, our food, and our entertainment. This is the way we live in America. Saying that dogs get "family" status and other intelligent mammals do not is simply ignorance or lack of education. Pigs can make perfectly good pets, and this has been proven. You are just speaking from your own family's perspective, and one that has been socialized into you, but not based on science.</p>

    It sounds like you are following the law and have nothing to worry about. Good for you.</div></p>

    I think your stance on this is people have two sides to chooseand that's it.That's ignorant and not the case. It's not packers vs. raiders. What makes people thinkso poorly of Vick is he did this for sport. That's it. He did it for is own amusement. Call me a fraud all you want but anyone who watches animals tear each other apartfor their own joy has problems. Just like it was back in the old Gladiator days. </p>

    In my opinion that was wrong. Good movie tho. [​IMG]I eat food because I have to to stay alive but I would never take another animal and train it to kill just for my joy. Vick took an animal trained it to be a killer. He trained it to take another dogs life. Vick new the law and broke it. That is not an argument. I don't see the issue in myself or others thinking whathe mayof did was wrong because it was his other hobby. The issue is not Vick killed a dog. What a bad guy. The issue is the choice he made in life to associate himself with dogfighting. It's pretty simple. Failing to understand the difference makesone blindand non objective.</p>

    </div>(<font color="#0000ff">Edited by TheBeef)</font>. If you take the meat, then youshould enjoy it. Don't fault other people for what they do with meat. If I choose to pit the meat against itself, then please leave me alone. You are a moron is you think that meat will keep you alive. Quite the contrary. It leads to a multitude of health problems. Youeat meat because it tastesgood. There are plenty of non-meat items that willkeep you"alive". All canbefound at your local grocery store. We train people to kill other people, see US ARMY. Training dogs to kill each other has no effect on your life or your lifestyle. In our country, we value property. Animals are property. I reserve the right to do whatever I want with my property. I dont care if it is a dog or a pig.</p>

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  9. kcgsc

    kcgsc Chiefs Enthusiast Extraordinaire

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider)</div><div class='quotemain'>In our country, we value property. Animals are property. I reserve the right to do whatever I want with my property. I dont care if it is a dog or a pig.</div></p>

    <font face="comic sans ms,sand" size="3" color="#ffff00" style="background-color: #ff0000">Note to self: If I end up at ROTR's house for breakfast...steer clear of the bacon.</font></p>
     

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