<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and Collins is? when was the last time you made a thread like this for Collins?</div> Save your agenda for somewhere else.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and Collins is? when was the last time you made a thread like this for Collins?</div> Collins was a key component in winning a playoff series last season. Why would I create a thread about how he isn't good enough to be in the NBA? That's stupid. </div> last year, Malik was in the Bulls rotation last year. THIS YEAR, Malik has outperformed Collins yet we hear nothing about him. What does Collins playoff series against Toronto last year have to do about his play THIS YEAR?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Dec 27 2007, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and Collins is? when was the last time you made a thread like this for Collins?</div> Save your agenda for somewhere else. </div> totally unfair to criticize Malik when he has outperformed Collins and earns 1/24 as much. when will you Collins homers learn
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and Collins is? when was the last time you made a thread like this for Collins?</div> Collins was a key component in winning a playoff series last season. Why would I create a thread about how he isn't good enough to be in the NBA? That's stupid. </div> last year, Malik was in the Bulls rotation last year. THIS YEAR, Malik has outperformed Collins yet we hear nothing about him. What does Collins playoff series against Toronto last year have to do about his play THIS YEAR? </div> Because the thread is about Malik Allen. Your posts are annoying. If you don't want to discuss Malik Allen, there are plenty of other threads out there.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 10:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 27 2007, 02:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Dec 27 2007, 02:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>oh and Collins is? when was the last time you made a thread like this for Collins?</div> Collins was a key component in winning a playoff series last season. Why would I create a thread about how he isn't good enough to be in the NBA? That's stupid. </div> last year, Malik was in the Bulls rotation last year. THIS YEAR, Malik has outperformed Collins yet we hear nothing about him. What does Collins playoff series against Toronto last year have to do about his play THIS YEAR? </div> Because the thread is about Malik Allen. Your posts are annoying. If you don't want to discuss Malik Allen, there are plenty of other threads out there. </div> fine! Malik Allen sux.
Three key dates coming up for Malik: --January 3. Nets deadline for using their trade exception. If they are creative, they might need to dump Allen. He does NOT have a guaranted deal and the Nets have not said, at least publicly, they will keep him. --January 7. First day NBA teams can sign players to 10-day contracts. If the Nets sign a big man, it could indicate he is not going to be kept on... --January 10. Deadline for non guaranteed and partially guaranteed contracts. If Allen survives past this date, he gets the full vets minimum for a player of his service in the league: $998,000, of which $770,000 is paid by the Nets. Of the 14 players on the Nets roster, three do not have guaranteed deals: Allen and Thomas have non guaranteed jobs, Armstrong's deal is partially guaranteed. If the Nets keep all three--they won't--they will have to pay the luxury tax--they won't--unless they can make another deal. This is NOT the roster the Nets will finish the season with. Bank on it.
Since Krstic probably won't be back by January 10th, I don't see how we wouldn't keep Allen. He's insurance and at least he can shoot sometimes.
I dunno...yeah, he has some defensive weaknesses, but it's not for lack of effort. I've never seen him slacking on defense. Rather he simply doesn't have the physical talents as some others do. On the other hand, shooting 47% on mostly jumpshots is nothing to sneeze at. Has it ever occurred to critics that the reason he's open most of the time - and it is undeniably true that it is in large part due to the work of the likes of Carter, Kidd, and RJ - is because he knows where to be on the court as a play develops to actually be open? Not everyone can be a superstar and even less are proficient on both ends of the floor. I'm satisfied with what Malik does: he shoots the mid-range consistently and works hard. Sometimes, that's all you can ask for if you're not willing to pay up (e.g. Mikki Moore). In general, I'm not getting all of the hate that emanates from this board for players who are really quite solid position players for their price. Guys like Eddie Gill and Malik Allen are not top tier reserves; they're not paid like top tier reserves and they cannot be expected to play like top tier reserves. The guy knocks down his open jumpers consistently...which is what he's paid to do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cdigs @ Dec 28 2007, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm satisfied with what Malik does: he shoots the mid-range consistently and works hard. Sometimes, that's all you can ask for if you're not willing to pay up (e.g. Mikki Moore).</div> Does Allen make less than Moore did last year? They got Moore for nothing and he was a lot more capable than Allen. I didn't make this thread after two games or a week into the season. It's been 25 games of terrible, substandard play that led to the judgement that keeping him on the roster is detrimental to winning. There are other players on Earth. He's not the only option. He's certainly not "all you can ask for".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 28 2007, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cdigs @ Dec 28 2007, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm satisfied with what Malik does: he shoots the mid-range consistently and works hard. Sometimes, that's all you can ask for if you're not willing to pay up (e.g. Mikki Moore).</div> Does Allen make less than Moore did last year? They got Moore for nothing and he was a lot more capable than Allen. I didn't make this thread after two games or a week into the season. It's been 25 games of terrible, substandard play that led to the judgement that keeping him on the roster is detrimental to winning. There are other players on Earth. He's not the only option. He's certainly not "all you can ask for". </div> Yeah, but Moore was undervalued, and ended up making a ton in free agency. I think the problem isn't that he's on the roster, just that he's getting 18 minutes a game. We should have better depth. As far as scrubs go though, he's not bad.
this thread is so out of line. malik is making scrub money, he's a guy who shouldnt be playing much but he does and he has had some really good games for us. what do you expect out of the guy, to be the next Moore?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Dec 28 2007, 01:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Dec 28 2007, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cdigs @ Dec 28 2007, 11:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm satisfied with what Malik does: he shoots the mid-range consistently and works hard. Sometimes, that's all you can ask for if you're not willing to pay up (e.g. Mikki Moore).</div> Does Allen make less than Moore did last year? They got Moore for nothing and he was a lot more capable than Allen. I didn't make this thread after two games or a week into the season. It's been 25 games of terrible, substandard play that led to the judgement that keeping him on the roster is detrimental to winning. There are other players on Earth. He's not the only option. He's certainly not "all you can ask for". </div> Yeah, but Moore was undervalued, and ended up making a ton in free agency. I think the problem isn't that he's on the roster, just that he's getting 18 minutes a game. We should have better depth. As far as scrubs go though, he's not bad. </div> He is bad. He's too old. Why not keep a guy they can develop? There's dozens of alternatives out there dying for the chance Allen is undeservedly getting. It might prevent them from having to play another Malik Allen in the future. He's not the kind of vet like Lamond Murray who can do nothing all season but can still be called upon to help win a playoff game. He's a low-level scrub who should be overseas. After 25 games of last season, it was apparent the Nets hit paydirt and Moore turned out to be excellent. If he played like Allen, I would have said the same thing about him.
Jeez at least Benson would Hustle his rear off... Malik Allen couldn't hustle a dice game let alone hustle in a nets uni...
Malik Allen sucks. I love this thread, and Ghoti's points are right on. I don't know how people can defend him at all, as anyone who he's guarding scores at will when he's in the game. He doesn't make defensive rotations, rarely hustles, moves as if he's walking in tar, can't jump, doesn't seem all that intelligent, and pretty much makes us suck when he's in. The ONLY good thing I've consistently see him do is knock down shots. And to think that there are most definitely more players out there who can knock down shots, along with more quickness, hustle, better rebounding and better defense pretty much makes me sick. My stance hasn't changed one bit since the beginning of the season. I still would rather see him off the court and off the team. He's not even good enough to play in the WNBA.
Frank has a thing for big men that can shoot mid-range J's. With a defensive coach like Frank, Malik should never see the floor but Frank's love for big men that can shoot is what allows him to play.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Balla 15 @ Dec 28 2007, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Frank has a thing for big men that can shoot mid-range J's. With a defensive coach like Frank, Malik should never see the floor but Frank's love for big men that can shoot is what allows him to play.</div> This is the exact reason Allen still gets minutes. The other big men are all worse shooters than he is, and the Nets have so many plays designed to make the opponent have to choose between guarding the scorers or leaving the PF open form 15-18 feet. Unless they bring in someone else or Nenad miraculously starts looking like his old self, hope for the future may lie with Sean Williams. He has a surprisingly decent looking stroke and he is so long he can get his shot off against anyone. Maybe by the end of the season he can extend his range to about 15 feet. What a weapon that would be, considering he adds the dimension of being able to put the ball on the floor. The more immediate option is to play Boki at that position, but he gets into foul trouble very quickly trying to guard bigger players. Frank has already shown he wants to do this. It just isn't always possible.
Of our healthy bigs (that is, everyone but Krstic), Allen has the most complete offensive game. Boone and Sean are great from 2 feet in and on the offensive boards, but Allen's the only one who can hit a jump shot or a long floater. He helps space the opposing team's defense. I agree he's shockingly slow to rotate on defense, and really hurts the team in this regard, but they need him on offense to keep things solvent. If you think we're a jump-shooting team now, imagine if the opposing team's center and power forward could just clog the lane all game to prevent anyone from ever driving. He's bad, but I don't think we'd be able to pick up anyone who is better suited for the role. Ideally, he'll get relegated to garbage time when Krstic returns. I'm interested: who should we have picked up instead of Allen? Imagine we've got the full mid-level to spend (seeing as how Magloire's just been a waste). Who should we have picked up instead that could've acted as an interim Krstic?
