Pakistan's Bhutto assassinated at rally

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  1. Denny Crane

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071227/ap_on_re_as/pakistan


    Pakistan's Bhutto assassinated at rally
    By SADAQAT JAN and ZARAR KHAN, Associated Press Writers 17 minutes ago

    RAWALPINDI, Pakistan - Pakistan opposition leader Benazir Bhutto was assassinated Thursday in a suicide attack at a campaign rally that also killed at least 20 others, aides said.

    Bhutto's supporters erupted in anger and grief after her death, attacking police and burning tires and election campaign posters in several cities. At the hospital where she died, some smashed glass and wailed, chanting slogans against President Pervez Musharraf.

    The death of the charismatic 54-year-old former prime minister threw the campaign for the Jan. 8 parliamentary elections into chaos and created fears of mass protests and violence across the nuclear-armed nation, an important U.S. ally in the war on terrorism.

    Musharraf convened an emergency meeting with his senior staff where they were expected to discuss whether to postpone the election, an official at the Interior Ministry said, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the talks.

    No one claimed responsibility for the killing. But suspicion was likely to fall on resurgent Islamic militants linked to al Qaida and the Taliban who hated Bhutto for her close ties to the Americans and support for the war on terrorism. A local Taliban leader reportedly threatened to greet Bhutto's return to the country from exile in October with suicide bombings.

    The attacker struck just minutes after Bhutto addressed thousands of supporters in the garrison city of Rawalpindi, 8 miles south of Islamabad. She was shot in the neck and chest by the attacker, who then blew himself up, said Rehman Malik, Bhutto's security adviser.

    Sardar Qamar Hayyat, a leader from Bhutto's party, said he was standing about 10 yard away from Benazir Bhutto's vehicle at the time of the attack.

    "She was inside the vehicle and was coming out from the gate after addressing the rally when some of the youths started chanting slogans in her favor. Then I saw a smiling Bhutto emerging from the vehicle's roof and responding to their slogans," he said.

    "Then I saw a thin, young man jumping toward her vehicle from the back and opening fire. Moments later, I saw her speeding vehicle going away," he added.

    Bhutto was rushed to the hospital and taken into emergency surgery. She died about an hour after the attack.

    "At 6:16 p.m., she expired," said Wasif Ali Khan, a member of Bhutto's party who was at Rawalpindi General Hospital.

    "The surgeons confirmed that she has been martyred," Bhutto's lawyer Babar Awan said.

    Bhutto's supporters at the hospital exploded in anger, smashing the glass door at the main entrance of the emergency unit. Others burst into tears. One man with a flag of Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party tied around his head was beating his chest.

    "I saw her with my own eyes sitting in a vehicle after addressing the rally. Then, I heard an explosion," Tahir Mahmood, 55, said sobbing. "I am in shock. I cannot believe that she is dead."

    Many chanted slogans against Musharraf, accusing him of complicity in her killing.

    "We repeatedly informed the government to provide her proper security and appropriate equipment ... but they paid no heed to our requests," Malik said.

    As news of her death spread, angry supporters took to the streets in the northwestern city of Peshawar as well other areas, chanting slogans against Musharraf. In Rawalpindi, Bhutto's supporters burned election posters from the ruling party and attacked police, who fled the scene.

    In Karachi, shop owners quickly closed their businesses as supporters from Bhutto's party burned tires on the roads.

    Nawaz Sharif, another former premier and opposition leader, arrived at the hospital and sat silently next to Bhutto's body.

    "Benazir Bhutto was also my sister, and I will be with you to take the revenge for her death," he said. "Don't feel alone. I am with you. We will take the revenge on the rulers."

    Speaking to the BBC, Sharif also questioned whether to hold the elections.

    "I think perhaps none of us is inclined to think of the elections," he said. "We would have to sit down and take a very serious look at the current situation together with the People's Party and see what we have to do in the coming days."

    Hours earlier, four people were killed at a rally for Sharif when his supporters clashed with backers of Musharraf near Rawalpindi.

    Bhutto's death will leave a void at the top of her party, the largest political group in the country, as it heads into the parliamentary elections. It also fueled fears that the crucial vote could descend into violence.

    Pakistan is considered a vital U.S. ally in the fight against al-Qaida and other Islamic extremists including the Taliban. Osama bin Laden and his inner circle are believed to be hiding in lawless northwest Pakistan along the border with Afghanistan.

    In Washington, the State Department condemned the attack.

    "It demonstrates that there are still those in Pakistan who want to subvert reconciliation and efforts to advance democracy," deputy spokesman Tom Casey said.

    The United States has for months been encouraging Musharraf to reach an accommodation with the opposition, particularly Bhutto, who was seen as having a wide base of support in Pakistan. Her party had been widely expected to do well in next month's elections.

    Educated at Harvard and Oxford universities, Bhutto served twice as Pakistan's prime minister between 1988 and 1996. Her father, who also served as prime minister, was executed in 1979 two years after his ouster in a military coup.

    Bhutto had returned to Pakistan from an eight-year exile on Oct. 18. On the same day, she narrowly escaped injury when her homecoming parade in Karachi was targeted in a suicide attack that killed more than 140 people.

    At the scene of Thursday's bombing, an Associated Press reporter saw body parts and flesh scattered at the back gate of the Liaqat Bagh park, where Bhutto had spoken. He counted about 20 bodies, including police, and could see many other wounded people.

    Police cordoned off the street with white and red tape, and rescuers rushed to put victims in ambulances as people wailed nearby.

    The clothing of some victims was shredded and people put party flags over their bodies. Police caps and shoes littered the asphalt.

    Hundreds of riot police had manned security checkpoints around the venue. It was Bhutto's first public meeting in Rawalpindi since she came back to the country.

    In November, Bhutto had also planned a rally in the city, but Musharraf forced her to cancel it, citing security fears.

    In recent weeks, suicide bombers have repeatedly targeted security forces in Rawalpindi, where Musharraf stays and the Pakistan army has its headquarters.
     
  2. AEM

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    This is the absolute worst thing that could have happened, as far as Pakistan is concerned. In fact, it is even more damaging to the country than if Musharraf's troops had carried it out, as the primary gains made accrue to the al Qaeda/Taliban groups. As well, while Musharraf doesn't emerge entirely clean, Sharif isn't going to be able to capitalize in such a fashion as to make gains a la Bhutto.
     
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    Sad thing to happen. This is a real step backwards for Pakistan. Maybe a turning point in our relationship with Pakistan as well.
     
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    OK this is all over CNN, who was this lady?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bynumite @ Dec 27 2007, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OK this is all over CNN, who was this lady?</div>

    Prime minister of Pakistan. Read the article.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bynumite @ Dec 27 2007, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OK this is all over CNN, who was this lady?</div>

    Former PM of Pakistan. First female leader of a Muslim nation. Essentially the spearhead of democracy for Pakistan. Which made her an easy target for extremists. She was in exile for eight years until she was granted amnesty and returned to Pakistan in September.

    She knew she was a target, but still was unwilling to hide, and was going to run for a parlimentry seat before she was assisanated.
     
  7. Denny Crane

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    Read the article above, it basically tells her story.

    She was prime minister two times before. The current president is a military leader who basically took over the government via a coup. He's been a benevolent leader for the most part and Pakistan has generally been a good citizen on the world stage under his leadership.

    She was in exile and recently returned to Pakistan to run against Musharref in a free election he called for. Along the way, political pressure was put on Musharref to step down from his military post, which he did. She was looking like she'd win the election, though there has been turbulence during the campaign.

    Because of the turbulence, she was put under house arrest at least once, "for her safety" - according to Musharref (and it's looking like he was protecting her at this point).

    The significance of this is that Pakistan has nuclear weapons, and both the Taliban and Al Qaeda have political influence/friends within the military part of the government (and their "CIA"). The peaceful transition of power from the military rule to a Bhutto run government has been seen as good for Pakistan and the world. She was friendly toward the West and opposed the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

    Her assassination could throw Pakistan into a state of chaos where the bad guys could end up controlling nuclear weapons. This is the greatest fear for the situation now, and for Pakistan's precarious situation all along.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Dec 27 2007, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bynumite @ Dec 27 2007, 04:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>OK this is all over CNN, who was this lady?</div>

    Former PM of Pakistan. First female leader of a Muslim nation. Essentially the spearhead of democracy for Pakistan. Which made her an easy target for extremists. She was in exile for eight years until she was granted amnesty and returned to Pakistan in September.

    She knew she was a target, but still was unwilling to hide, and was going to run for a parlimentry seat before she was assisanated.
    </div>

    One of my friends is from Pakistan and he says that she had great influence on the country. A great leader and all.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AEM @ Dec 27 2007, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is the absolute worst thing that could have happened, as far as Pakistan is concerned. In fact, it is even more damaging to the country than if Musharraf's troops had carried it out, as the primary gains made accrue to the al Qaeda/Taliban groups. As well, while Musharraf doesn't emerge entirely clean, Sharif isn't going to be able to capitalize in such a fashion as to make gains a la Bhutto.</div>

    I agree that this is a bad thing & hopefully isn't a tipping point event in the wrong direction.

    I have always thought Musharraf just a bit to shady and uses the US like the Saudis do i.e a necessary evil.

    My only hope is those Pakistanis who are a little too extreme realize that regardless of Bhutto being a woman & moderate that they have killed a decent individual. Likewise, I hope those who truly want democracy & peace in that Nation & region rise up and say enough!
     
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    I really can't say I'm surprised that this happened with all of the recent developments in Pakistan and how Bhutto was being treated. It's unfortunate it happened.
     
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    I heard that the assassin was 15 years old. Is it true?
     
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    Sad, sad news. She really was the strongest proponent for a true form of democracy within Pakistan and it made her an easy target. Yet, she was steadfast in her beliefs despite the constant danger.

    I refuse to believe that Musharaff is completely clean in this whole ordeal though. If he didn't order the assassination, he allowed it to happen. The man's approach to democracy has been a farce and he's hid his abuse of power behind his alliance with the US for years. He stood to gain far too much from her death (he was already forced out of his military position and all signs pointed towards him losing out in the election).
     
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    Shit, shit shit, shit shit shit shit.
     
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    wow... just when the world couldnt possibly get anymore fucked...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Dec 27 2007, 04:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sad, sad news. She really was the strongest proponent for a true form of democracy within Pakistan and it made her an easy target. Yet, she was steadfast in her beliefs despite the constant danger.

    I refuse to believe that Musharaff is completely clean in this whole ordeal though. If he didn't order the assassination, he allowed it to happen. The man's approach to democracy has been a farce and he's hid his abuse of power behind his alliance with the US for years. He stood to gain far too much from her death (he was already forced out of his military position and all signs pointed towards him losing out in the election).</div>

    I always saw Musharraf as being reluctant to be in his position. He constantly talked about relinquishing control when the conditions were right in Pakistan. For example (read the article, it's good):

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?...1195&page=1
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Musharraf has long stated his intention to abide by the constitution and eventually end his dual role as president and chief of army at the end of this year. However, many skeptics would point out that the hybrid role itself is a product of an amendment to the constitution he engineered.</div>

    The article also details how he had been working with Bhutto as a political ally (he as re-elected president, she as elected prime minister):
    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Although there has been no official confirmation from the Pakistani president, the announcement comes amid tense negotiations between Bhutto and Musharraf over a power sharing agreement which, they hope, will consolidate their majority in parliament and remove obstacles for each to run for re-election.

    "Eighty to 90 percent of the issues have been settled. Ten to 20 percent have yet to be decided," Bhutto said from London in a local Pakistani television interview.</div>

    Plus, there's the fact that he is and has been following the constitution there in terms of fostering a free and fair election (nothing in the news is contrary to this).

    The reality is that this has all the same markings as the mosque bombing in Iraq that led to near civil war between the Shi'ites and Sunni. It's an assymetric attack on a much stronger power - you kill one key person (Bhutto) and look at all the riots that are the response! The effect is to destabilize the situation so you have two or more really strong powers beat each other bloody.
     
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    Truly a sad day for democracy in the Middle East. What I am more interested in though is what exactly will transpire in the next few days/weeks following her assassination.

    Will Musharraf postpone elections or allow them to go on as scheduled?
    How will both opposition parties (Bhutto and Sharif) react?
    Is Al Qaeda responsible as claimed? If not, who is?

    It is going to be interesting to see how the Pakistani government under Musharraf will go about catching and putting to justice those responsible for this injustice. Will he finally have the balls to stand up and go hard after the Islamic terrorists that he has been widely criticized by Bhutto for failing to follow through?

    Personally, I think Musharraf had absolutely nothing to do with this.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hunter @ Dec 28 2007, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Personally, I think Musharraf had absolutely nothing to do with this.</div>

    Bhutto said she'd blame Musharraf if killed

    I know they were members of opposite parties but still. She knew the threats against her.
     
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    It seems that al-Qaeda has taken responsibility for Bhutto's assassination.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Dec 28 2007, 12:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Hunter @ Dec 28 2007, 12:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Personally, I think Musharraf had absolutely nothing to do with this.</div>

    Bhutto said she'd blame Musharraf if killed

    I know they were members of opposite parties but still. She knew the threats against her.
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    I think there could be an argument that she didn't have adequate protection considering the danger of her life. My comment was based on the people directly responsible for her assasination. I don't think Musharraf was directly behind it in any way.
     
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    I might have gone too far in blaming Musharaff directly for this, but part of that is just because its so frustrating to know that he'll probably be allowed to continue to hold power. It really is sad to see someone basically fighting by themselves for such a meaningful cause. And in hindsight, you kind of saw this coming.

    Musharaff's ran a dictatorship that's hid under the guise of a democratic government for quite some time now. His government's checked civil liberties and abused its power for years and I'd hardly call any of the country's recent elections fair. Any serious political threat has either been exiled or refused to run in protest (how else could he continue to stay in power with such low approval ratings?). He's held that dual role for a while (the article correctly pointed out that his amendments to the constitution basically created that position). He's given out empty promises for years until recently the judiciary was on the verge of forcing him to step down as military leader. But he called a "state of emergency" to avoid that problem and only the threat of international sanctions and the worldwide negative reaction finally forced him to step down. There's no one who stood to gain more from her death than he did and that article Real posted seems to confirm my other suspicion that he may have allowed it to occur.
     

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