NBA Real Player Ratings as of December 28, 2007: The Real Truth About How Good Each Player Is

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  1. tremaine

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    Who are really the best players in the NBA? You came to the right place to find out. The Real Player Rating has been calculated for the top 300 players according to gross player rating.

    ABOUT THE REAL PLAYER RATING
    1 The real player rating is calculated for the top 300 players ranked according to gross player rating.
    2 A player must have at least 8 minutes per game to be included.
    3 A player must have played in at least 1/4 of the number of games that the player or players who have played in the most games have played to be included.
    4 Real Player Rating = Gross Player Rating / Minutes Per Game.
    5 Gross Player Rating is the net total of the following:

    ADD THE FOLLOWING
    Points
    Rebounds
    1.4 X Assists
    Steals
    1.4 X Blocks
    # of Field Goals Made
    0.5 X # of 3-Pointers Made
    0.25 X # of Free Throws Made

    SUBTRACT THE FOLLOWING
    0.7 X Turnovers
    0.8 X # of Missed Field Goals
    0.8 X # of Missed Free Throws

    The Real Player Rating reflects reality better than the gross player rating, since it washes out differences in playing times among the players. The straight up player rankings are obviously heavily affected by how many playing minutes the various players get. With many teams, you can rely on the coach to give his various players roughly the playing time that makes the most sense for his team. Unfortunately, some coaches bring other factors besides actual performance into their rotation decisions. Therefore, it makes good sense to introduce a new and extremely important statistic that I call the Real Per Minute Player Rating. As the name implies, this is the gross ESPN player rating divided by the number of minutes. The statistic is called Real Player Rating for short.

    This statistic allows anyone to see whether or not players who play only a small number of minutes are doing better than their low gross rating will indicate. You can spot diamond in the rough players who are not getting all the respect and playing time due to them. At the same time, it will allow anyone to see whether players with a lot of minutes are playing worse than, as well as, or better than their gross rating shows.

    In summary, the Real Player Rating allows the reader, at a glance, to see exactly how well each player is doing without regard to playing time, which is subject to coaching error and subjective but less important factors such as a player's personality. The Real Player Rating provides the real truth-pure knowledge not available anywhere else.

    Nuggets players are highlighted in bold type.

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    Rank, Player, Team, Pos., Real Player Rating

    1 LeBron James, Cle SF 1.261
    2 Carlos Boozer, Uta FC 1.253
    3 Amare Stoudemire, Pho C 1.196
    4 Chris Paul, Nor PG 1.161
    5 Kobe Bryant, LAL SG 1.151
    6 Dwight Howard, Orl C 1.145
    7 Steve Nash, Pho PG 1.145
    8 Tim Duncan, SA FC 1.116
    9 Kevin Garnett, Bos F 1.110
    10 Manu Ginobili, SA SG 1.090
    11 Yao Ming, Hou C 1.032
    12 Dirk Nowitzki, Dal PF 1.027
    13 Carmelo Anthony, Den SF 1.024
    14 Al Jefferson, Min FC 1.022
    15 Andrew Bynum, LAL C 1.017
    16 T.J. Ford, Tor PG 1.015
    17 Chris Bosh, Tor FC 1.012
    18 Baron Davis, GS PG 1.003
    19 Allen Iverson, Den G 1.002
    20 Dwyane Wade, Mia G 0.995
    21 Tracy McGrady, Hou GF 0.994
    22 Tony Parker, SA PG 0.994
    23 Chauncey Billups, Det PG 0.979
    24 Deron Williams, Uta PG 0.979
    25 Chris Kaman, LAC C 0.972
    26 Jose Calderon, Tor PG 0.960
    27 Josh Smith, Atl F 0.957
    28 Caron Butler, Was SF 0.956
    29 Marcus Camby, Den C 0.948
    30 Josh Howard, Dal GF 0.942
    31 Shawn Marion, Pho F 0.932
    32 Jermaine O'Neal, Ind FC 0.926
    33 Vince Carter, NJ GF 0.918
    34 Michael Redd, Mil GF 0.916
    35 Andris Biedrins, GS C 0.915
    36 Zach Randolph, NY PF 0.915
    37 Shaquille O'Neal, Mia C 0.901
    38 Paul Pierce, Bos GF 0.901
    39 Antawn Jamison, Was F 0.897
    40 Mike Dunleavy, Ind GF 0.889
    41 Sam Cassell, LAC PG 0.888
    42 Jason Kidd, NJ PG 0.887
    43 Pau Gasol, Mem FC 0.884
    44 Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cle C 0.883
    45 Corey Maggette, LAC GF 0.880
    46 David West, Nor PF 0.879
    47 Richard Jefferson, NJ SF 0.869
    48 Kevin Martin, Sac SG 0.865
    49 Stromile Swift, Mem FC 0.865
    50 LaMarcus Aldridge, Por FC 0.862
    51 Leandro Barbosa, Pho G 0.861
    52 Hedo Turkoglu, Orl GF 0.856
    53 Brandon Roy, Por G 0.853
    54 Al Harrington, GS FC 0.852
    55 Rudy Gay, Mem GF 0.843
    56 Brendan Haywood, Was C 0.835
    57 Jamaal Tinsley, Ind PG 0.834
    58 Rasheed Wallace, Det FC 0.834
    59 Gilbert Arenas, Was PG 0.828
    60 Andre Miller, Phi PG 0.825
    61 Chris Wilcox, Sea FC 0.825
    62 Kevin Durant, Sea GF 0.824
    63 Grant Hill, Pho GF 0.821
    64 Andres Nocioni, Chi F 0.821
    65 Richard Hamilton, Det SG 0.819
    66 Louis Williams, Phi G 0.819
    67 Craig Smith, Min FC 0.817
    68 Andre Iguodala, Phi GF 0.816
    69 Joe Johnson, Atl G 0.816
    70 Brian Skinner, Pho FC 0.816
    71 Jordan Farmar, LAL G 0.816
    72 Gerald Wallace, Cha F 0.815
    73 Kris Humphries, Tor F 0.815
    74 Ron Artest, Sac SF 0.811
    75 Mo Williams, Mil PG 0.809
    76 Monta Ellis, GS G 0.809
    77 Devin Harris, Dal PG 0.806
    78 Tyson Chandler, Nor C 0.805
    79 Emeka Okafor, Cha FC 0.805
    80 Amir Johnson, Det F 0.802
    81 Jason Terry, Dal G 0.801
    82 Andrei Kirilenko, Uta F 0.799
    83 Andray Blatche, Was FC 0.797
    84 Marquis Daniels, Ind GF 0.797
    85 Mike Miller, Mem GF 0.797
    86 Jose Juan Barea, Dal G 0.794
    87 Luol Deng, Chi GF 0.794
    88 Nick Collison, Sea FC 0.793
    89 Joe Smith, Chi PF 0.793
    90 David Lee, NY F 0.789
    91 Troy Murphy, Ind FC 0.789
    92 Sean Williams, NJ FC 0.788
    93 Hakim Warrick, Mem F 0.787
    94 Andrew Bogut, Mil C 0.784
    95 Jason Maxiell, Det FC 0.784
    96 Derek Fisher, LAL PG 0.781
    97 Paul Millsap, Uta F 0.780
    98 Stephen Jackson, GS GF 0.779
    99 Jameer Nelson, Orl PG 0.777
    100 Samuel Dalembert, Phi C 0.777
    101 J.R. Smith, Den SG 0.776
    102 Danny Granger, Ind F 0.775
    103 Channing Frye, Por FC 0.775
    104 Sasha Vujacic, LAL G 0.773
    105 Jason Richardson, Cha GF 0.772
    106 Trevor Ariza, LAL SF 0.770
    107 Alonzo Mourning, Mia C 0.769
    108 Brad Miller, Sac C 0.769
    109 John Salmons, Sac GF 0.768
    110 Ray Allen, Bos SG 0.766
    111 Antonio McDyess, Det PF 0.765
    112 Kenyon Martin, Den PF 0.764
    113 Wally Szczerbiak, Sea GF 0.764
    114 Tyrus Thomas, Chi F 0.762
    115 Travis Outlaw, Por F 0.761
    116 Linas Kleiza, Den GF 0.759
    117 Nazr Mohammed, Cha C 0.759
    118 Joakim Noah, Chi FC 0.758
    119 Raymond Felton, Cha G 0.755
    120 Francisco Garcia, Sac GF 0.755
    121 Shawne Williams, Ind F 0.750
    122 Marvin Williams, Atl GF 0.743
    123 Bonzi Wells, Hou SG 0.741
    124 Antoine Walker, Min F 0.740
    125 Brent Barry, SA G 0.740
    126 Charlie Villanueva, Mil F 0.739
    127 Rashard Lewis, Orl F 0.737
    128 Lamar Odom, LAL F 0.735
    129 Matt Harpring, Uta GF 0.731
    130 Drew Gooden, Cle PF 0.729
    131 Ronnie Brewer, Uta GF 0.729
    132 Jeff Foster, Ind FC 0.728
    133 Fabricio Oberto, SA C 0.727
    134 Kyle Lowry, Mem G 0.726
    135 Eddie House, Bos SG 0.725
    136 Eddy Curry, NY C 0.724
    137 Brandon Bass, Dal F 0.724
    138 Nate Robinson, NY G 0.723
    139 C.J. Miles, Uta G 0.720
    140 Ronald Murray, Det SG 0.720
    141 Luis Scola, Hou F 0.719
    142 Rajon Rondo, Bos G 0.715
    143 Ronny Turiaf, LAL F 0.715
    144 Matt Barnes, GS SF 0.713
    145 Rashad McCants, Min G 0.712
    146 Anthony Carter, Den PG 0.708
    147 Yi Jianlian, Mil PF 0.707
    148 Delonte West, Sea G 0.707
    149 Jake Voskuhl, Mil C 0.706
    150 Tayshaun Prince, Det SF 0.705
    151 Matt Bonner, SA FC 0.705
    152 Carlos Delfino, Tor SG 0.703
    153 Glen Davis, Bos F 0.702
    154 Thaddeus Young, Phi F 0.702
    155 James Jones, Por SF 0.700
    156 Al Horford, Atl FC 0.699
    157 Jamal Crawford, NY SG 0.696
    158 Juan Dixon, Tor G 0.695
    159 Gerald Green, Min GF 0.692
    160 Aaron Gray, Chi C 0.692
    161 Ben Gordon, Chi SG 0.689
    162 Damon Stoudamire, Mem PG 0.688
    163 Stephon Marbury, NY PG 0.688
    164 Marko Jaric, Min GF 0.687
    165 Josh Childress, Atl GF 0.686
    166 Dorell Wright, Mia GF 0.686
    167 Erick Dampier, Dal C 0.681
    168 Udonis Haslem, Mia PF 0.680
    169 Kelenna Azubuike, GS GF 0.676
    170 Beno Udrih, Sac PG 0.675
    171 Luke Ridnour, Sea PG 0.672
    172 Earl Watson, Sea PG 0.671
    173 Jeff Green, Sea F 0.670
    174 Juan Carlos Navarro, Mem G 0.669
    175 David Harrison, Ind C 0.669
    176 Vladimir Radmanovic, LAL PF 0.667
    177 Joel Przybilla, Por C 0.667
    178 Kirk Hinrich, Chi G 0.665
    179 Carlos Arroyo, Orl PG 0.663
    180 James Posey, Bos GF 0.662
    181 Keyon Dooling, Orl PG 0.661
    182 Tim Thomas, LAC F 0.660
    183 Jared Dudley, Cha F 0.659
    184 Damien Wilkins, Sea GF 0.658
    185 Melvin Ely, Nor FC 0.658
    186 Mehmet Okur, Uta FC 0.657
    187 Anderson Varejao, Cle FC 0.656
    188 Willie Green, Phi SG 0.655
    189 Daequan Cook, Mia G 0.654
    190 Luke Walton, LAL SF 0.652
    191 Peja Stojakovic, Nor GF 0.651
    192 Ryan Gomes, Min F 0.650
    193 Antonio Daniels, Was PG 0.647
    194 Damien Wilkins, Sea GF 0.646
    195 Daniel Gibson, Cle G 0.644
    196 Nick Young, Was GF 0.643
    197 Eddie Gill, NJ PG 0.643
    198 Jerry Stackhouse, Dal GF 0.639
    199 Ricky Davis, Mia GF 0.635
    200 Jason Kapono, Tor GF 0.633
    201 Chris Mihm, LAL FC 0.632
    202 Andrea Bargnani, Tor FC 0.631
    203 Roger Mason, Was PG 0.631
    204 DeSagana Diop, Dal FC 0.631
    205 Johan Petro, Sea C 0.630
    206 Marcus Banks, Pho PG 0.630
    207 Jarrett Jack, Por PG 0.628
    208 Jamario Moon, Tor SF 0.628
    209 Anthony Johnson, Atl PG 0.627
    210 Mickael Pietrus, GS GF 0.626
    211 Kendrick Perkins, Bos C 0.625
    212 Dan Dickau, LAC PG 0.624
    213 Jarvis Hayes, Det SF 0.624
    214 Sebastian Telfair, Min PG 0.623
    215 Anthony Parker, Tor GF 0.623
    216 Bostjan Nachbar, NJ SF 0.622
    217 Luther Head, Hou G 0.622
    218 Mike James, Hou PG 0.619
    219 Ime Udoka, SA SF 0.616
    220 Shannon Brown, Cle GF 0.614
    221 Martell Webster, Por GF 0.613
    222 Rafer Alston, Hou PG 0.612
    223 Al Thornton, LAC F 0.611
    224 Royal Ivey, Mil PG 0.606
    225 Eduardo Najera, Den F 0.606
    226 Boris Diaw, Pho FC 0.605
    227 Bobby Jackson, Nor PG 0.604
    228 Chris Duhon, Chi PG 0.603
    229 Ryan Hollins, Cha C 0.600
    230 Morris Peterson, Nor GF 0.599
    231 Josh Boone, NJ FC 0.599
    232 Ruben Patterson, LAC GF 0.599
    233 Malik Allen, NJ PF 0.598
    234 Michael Finley, SA GF 0.595
    235 Rasho Nesterovic, Tor C 0.594
    236 Kareem Rush, Ind SG 0.592
    237 Cuttino Mobley, LAC SG 0.591
    238 Jason Williams, Mia PG 0.588
    239 Steve Blake, Por PG 0.587
    240 Shelden Williams, Atl F 0.586
    241 Zaza Pachulia, Atl FC 0.585
    242 Kyle Korver, Phi SF 0.584
    243 Darko Milicic, Mem FC 0.580
    244 Desmond Mason, Mil GF 0.579
    245 Mikki Moore, Sac FC 0.578
    246 Jason Smith, Phi F 0.576
    247 Rodney Carney, Phi GF 0.575
    248 Francisco Elson, SA FC 0.573
    249 Darius Songaila, Was PF 0.569
    250 Jannero Pargo, Nor PG 0.564
    251 Chuck Hayes, Hou F 0.563
    252 Brevin Knight, LAC PG 0.562
    253 Steve Francis, Hou PG 0.560
    254 Chris Quinn, Mia G 0.558
    255 Matt Carroll, Cha GF 0.557
    256 Ira Newble, Cle GF 0.557
    257 Maurice Evans, Orl GF 0.556
    258 Joey Graham, Tor GF 0.556
    259 Raja Bell, Pho SG 0.554
    260 Hilton Armstrong, Nor FC 0.554
    261 Tony Allen, Bos G 0.548
    262 Reggie Evans, Phi PF 0.548
    263 Keith Bogans, Orl GF 0.545
    264 Larry Hughes, Cle G 0.542
    265 DeShawn Stevenson, Was SG 0.536
    266 Devin Brown, Cle SG 0.536
    267 Arron Afflalo, Det G 0.535
    268 Tyronn Lue, Atl PG 0.535
    269 Ben Wallace, Chi C 0.533
    270 Jacque Vaughn, SA PG 0.527
    271 Derek Anderson, Cha GF 0.526
    272 Fred Jones, NY GF 0.506
    273 Antoine Wright, NJ GF 0.497
    274 Shane Battier, Hou SF 0.493
    275 Charlie Bell, Mil GF 0.487
    276 Bobby Simmons, Mil GF 0.486
    277 Greg Buckner, Min GF 0.480
    278 Quinton Ross, LAC GF 0.478
    279 Rasual Butler, Nor GF 0.475
    280 Corey Brewer, Min GF 0.473
    281 Anfernee Hardaway, Mia GF 0.466
    282 Damon Jones, Cle PG 0.459
    283 Quentin Richardson, NY GF 0.458
    284 Nenad Krstic, NJ FC 0.454
    285 Acie Law, Atl G 0.453
    286 Jeff McInnis, Cha PG 0.452
    287 Smush Parker, Mia PG 0.417
    288 Eddie Jones, Dal GF 0.412
    289 Bruce Bowen, SA SF 0.412
    290 Sasha Pavlovic, Cle GF 0.411

    There was 1 player who could not be included because his minutes are less than 8 per game.
    There were 9 players who could not be included because they have appeared in fewer than 8 games.
     
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    Does your rating account for pace a team plays at?

    Ike Diogu at #26 looks out of place.
     
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    Varejao >*

    He appears in the top 300 twice. Who else can say that?
     
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    tremaine To Win, Be Like Fitz

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Dec 28 2007, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Does your rating account for pace a team plays at?

    Ike Diogu at #26 looks out of place.</div>

    Players on teams with faster paces do probably have a small advantage here, except if they turn it over alot like the Nuggets do, that will reduce that advantage to very little if anything.

    When I saw Diogu's ranking, I said to myself, "there is the ultimate diamond in the rough player." I'll investigate and make sure Diogu's numbers are correct.
     
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    tremaine To Win, Be Like Fitz

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chingy0007 @ Dec 28 2007, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Varejao >*

    He appears in the top 300 twice. Who else can say that?</div>

    <u>Thanks for noticing that</u>. I made some type of strange unknown goof while I was putting the players into the right order on my excel worksheet. I had two Raja Bells and two Anderson Varejaos, but I only noticed the Raja Bell duplication. I thought it was ESPN's fault but it was not.

    I have now gone in and made absolutely sure that there is only one of each now, and that their stats are the correct ones.

    The problem remaining is that there are two players who are supposed to be on the list but who are missing. I am going to have to find the two and insert them into the list.
     
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    tremaine To Win, Be Like Fitz

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    Ok, I found who was left out: Cuttino Mobley and Willie Green. They have been put in and everything is correct now. Thanks again chingy0007 for noticing the mistake.

    Now I'll check to make sure the Diogu stats are correct.
     
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    tremaine To Win, Be Like Fitz

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Dec 28 2007, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ike Diogu at #26 looks out of place.</div>

    Most of the players on this list have played in at least 20 games. The most games played is 30. I'm going to go in and remove all players who have not played in at least 1/4 of the games of the players who have played in the most games. This gets rid of players who might have been mostly lucky or mostly unlucky in just a handful of games.

    The cut-off would be 8 games, and Diogu has only played in 6 games, so he gets removed. There are about a half dozen other players who need to be removed as well. Thanks Shapecity for in effect suggesting another good improvement in this.

    Chucky Atkins gets removed, and he is a good example of why players with just a handful of games should be removed. He hasn't been able to get up to speed overnight from his long injury out. His real rating should be much higher than what it is right now.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Dec 28 2007, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Does your rating account for pace a team plays at?

    Ike Diogu at #26 looks out of place.</div>


    I'm sure any Warriors or Pacers fan will tell you that Diogu is very skilled and looking at per minute stats he should be ranked pretty high. The problem is that he is one of the dumbest basketball players out there (ironic considering he was an academic all american and education is very important to him). He can't pass out a double team so he forces up ill-advised shots and when he he is guarded 1 on 1, not many people can stop him, but he decides then to pass instead of punishing his defender. He's a good shotblocker but can't play man defense without fouling.
     
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    Ok, I have removed all players who have played in fewer than 8 games. There were 9 of them:

    <span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">Chucky Atkins, Den PG
    </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">Earl Barron, Mia C
    </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">Kwame Brown, LAL FC
    </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">Mike Conley, Mem G
    </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">Ike Diogu, Ind FC
    </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">Richie Frahm, LAC SG
    </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">Nene Hilario, Den FC</span></span><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">
    <span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"></span></span>Viktor Khryapa, Chi SF
    </span></span><span style="font-family:Arial"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%">Theo Ratliff, Min FC
    </span></span>
    Two of the 9 who have played in only 7 or fewer games are Nuggets: Nene and Atkins.

    Now I think the list is as close to perfect as it can be. Thanks again Shapecity and chingy0007.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ryan @ Dec 28 2007, 04:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Dec 28 2007, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Does your rating account for pace a team plays at?

    Ike Diogu at #26 looks out of place.</div>


    I'm sure any Warriors or Pacers fan will tell you that Diogu is very skilled and looking at per minute stats he should be ranked pretty high. The problem is that he is one of the dumbest basketball players out there (ironic considering he was an academic all american and education is very important to him). He can't pass out a double team so he forces up ill-advised shots and when he he is guarded 1 on 1, not many people can stop him, but he decides then to pass instead of punishing his defender. He's a good shotblocker but can't play man defense without fouling.
    </div>

    He's been scoring alot in limited minutes, so he can't be extremely dumb. He's been out with a torn calf. He's in his third year, and has even started to get some steals as a PF or Center.
     

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