Chris Paul is obviously an amazing talent with great instincts and superstardom written all over him. As of right now, not taking age or potential into account, where do you rank Chris Paul among the NBA's elite point guards? I personally would put it like this: 1. Jason Kidd 2. Steve Nash 3a. Chauncey Billups 3b. Chris Paul I have a tough time deciding between Paul and Chauncey. On one hand, you've got an extremely savvy veteran who has led his team to a championship and is an elite defensive player. On the other hand, you've got a young stud who can do literally everything and possesses court vision as good as anybody in the league. If I have a team ready to win right now... this year. Just a one-year thing, I would lean towards Chauncey and rank CP3 #4. If I'm starting a franchise, Chris Paul is undoubtedly the #1 point guard on the list, but do you agree with my assessment? Give Chauncey the nod for the time being, or would you put him at 3?
based on this season and this season alone, Id rank him ahead of Billups and Kidd... BIG call since Im a massive Kidd fan. Paul has been a pleasure to watch...
1. Nash 2. Paul 3. Williams 4. Kidd Paul is one of the best players in the league. He's a rare PG that's good enough to build around and have a chance to win a title.
No Tony Parker? Thank god. Everyone treats him like he's a god. 1. Steve Nash 2. Chris Paul 3. Devon Williams 4a. Jason Kidd 4b. Chauncey Billups
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Dec 28 2007, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nash Paul Kidd Williams</div> Perfect order. Did anyone catch the night Paul had against the Grizz the other night? 41 points, 5 rebounds, 9 assists, 5 steals, and only 1 turnover --- that's a superstar's line. The Hornets have a much better record than they should have with that roster too. There are really a lot more talented teams on paper in the West, but having Paul makes all the difference. Just compare the 18-10 Hornets to the 16-14 Jazz. Taking each point guard out of the equation, which team has the more talented roster? I'm leaning towards the one with Boozer, Okur, Kirilenko, Millsap, and Brewer.
Interesting, we're talking about top point guards this season and no one's putting Baron Davis in the top 5. I'd rank him 2 behind Nash. I don't think anyone else has his ability to consistently take over games. I also really value his size and post up game, it gives him and advantage over almost every other PG in the league. Don't get me wrong, if I'm building a franchise I want Paul but for this season or if I had to win one game I'd rank Davis pretty high.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ Dec 28 2007, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1)Steve Nash 2a. Chancey Billups 2b. Jason Kidd 3. Chris Paul 4. Deron Williams</div> Harsh list to make as a Hawks fan huh? -Petey
1) Nash 2) Paul 3) Kidd 4) Williams 5) Billups I've loved Paul ever since his high school game where he scored 61 points exactly to honor his grandfather.
I agree Baron Davis has been overlooked. He doesn't always play the way he should, but when Baron is attacking the paint he's unstoppable. Maybe the stigma about his health issues holds him back. 1. Steve Nash 2. Jason Kidd 3. Chris Paul / Deron Williams / Baron Davis 6. Chauncey Billups Watching Billups play with Team USA was a real eye opener at just how far behind he is talent-wise behind those other players on the roster. He really benefits from being in the perfect system. He's amazing in the clutch, but he looked mediocre in the FIBA tournament. Paul, Williams, and Baron are pretty much on the same level IMO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Dec 28 2007, 03:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ Dec 28 2007, 02:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>1)Steve Nash 2a. Chancey Billups 2b. Jason Kidd 3. Chris Paul 4. Deron Williams</div> Harsh list to make as a Hawks fan huh? -Petey </div> I looked at it this way, who would I rather have running my point, in a playoff series, the 3 ahead of him have been there, and have had success, after this year I wouldn't be suprise if he passes both Kidd and Billups. I'm also a Hornets fan, I live in the N.O.
how is kidd in peoples top 5.. he has vince carter and richard jefferson in a horrific conference and his team is struggling to hold on to .500 people need to stop looking at him as if he was the player he was 5 years ago like how is he on the all-defensive team every year? do people even watch games anymore? ugh. as for my list 1. nash 2. paul 3. parker 4. davis 5. billups good pg's make their teams win games how deron and kidd are on almost every list before mine boggles my mind
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tradebark @ Jan 14 2008, 03:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>how is kidd in peoples top 5.. he has vince carter and richard jefferson in a horrific conference and his team is struggling to hold on to .500 people need to stop looking at him as if he was the player he was 5 years ago like how is he on the all-defensive team every year? do people even watch games anymore? ugh. as for my list 1. nash 2. paul 3. parker 4. davis 5. billups good pg's make their teams win games how deron and kidd are on almost every list before mine boggles my mind</div> Well, Kidd's support isn't exactly top notch. They went 0-5 without Vince alongside Kidd, so that doesn't help. But it's understandable that people wouldn't put him on their list...just not for the poor reasons you listed (which I've actually read from "expert" sports writers once or twice). And as for Deron, Okur was out for 7 games, and he doesn't have much of a supporting cast, either. No good backup as well. And they're still 3 wins over .500 ...so it boggles my mind why he didn't make your list over Parker. I don't understand how Parker gets rated so high, when he has Duncan on his team, which makes it 10x easier for him. He's not as good a defender as Kidd, but he has Duncan and other teammates covering for him. Billups has Rip, Tayshaun, Sheed, and a damn good bench with Dumars as the GM. Nash has Amare, Marion, Hill, Diaw, Barbosa. But he runs that team, without him, they suck. Paul's fuckin awesome. Sure, he has West, Chandler, MoPete, and an okay Peja....but still, damn. Meanwhile, Davis needs Stephen Jackson to win. I'd say they make a good 1-2 punch. That whole team is built great, Mullin's really done his job. I'm actually quite embarrassed I didn't even put Davis on my list.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (peg182 @ Jan 14 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well, Kidd's support isn't exactly top notch. They went 0-5 without Vince alongside Kidd, so that doesn't help. But it's understandable that people wouldn't put him on their list...just not for the poor reasons you listed (which I've actually read from "expert" sports writers once or twice). And as for Deron, Okur was out for 7 games, and he doesn't have much of a supporting cast, either. No good backup as well. And they're still 3 wins over .500 ...so it boggles my mind why he didn't make your list over Parker. I don't understand how Parker gets rated so high, when he has Duncan on his team, which makes it 10x easier for him. He's not as good a defender as Kidd, but he has Duncan and other teammates covering for him. Billups has Rip, Tayshaun, Sheed, and a damn good bench with Dumars as the GM. Nash has Amare, Marion, Hill, Diaw, Barbosa. But he runs that team, without him, they suck. Paul's fuckin awesome. Sure, he has West, Chandler, MoPete, and an okay Peja....but still, damn. Meanwhile, Davis needs Stephen Jackson to win. I'd say they make a good 1-2 punch. That whole team is built great, Mullin's really done his job. I'm actually quite embarrassed I didn't even put Davis on my list.</div> Okay okay Kidd as I said hasn't done anything in recent years. Yes he was easily the #1 PG back in the back-to-back finals years, but people seem to not notice he's lost a couple of steps since then. He surely isn't a top 3 PG defender in the league (he gets the ranking because of his rebound numbers, but rebounds do not a great defensive player make.. especially when you can't keep up with the Derons and Pauls of the league) Bear in mind that David West was a nobody in the league until Paul showed up and turned him into a secret weapon, and Chandler was an underachieving Bulls castoff. He made that team into more than they ever were before, much like Nash did with the Suns. Deron as much as I love him has a very strong supporting cast and *last year* I would definitely put him in my top 3 (especially in the playoffs, where he was probably #2). Speaking from this season alone, it's pretty widely accepted that the Jazz have underachieved. And I don't see where you get that Deron has much of a supporting cast.. Utah is widely regarded as one of the deepest teams in the league.. Boozer, Kirilenko, Okur, Harpring, etc. Right now they are 9th in the west, which is a place no one expected them to be when the season began. If the Jazz were at #4 or #5 in the West right now, he would probably be up there with Paul on my list. But the fact that their team would miss the playoffs if it started right now just kills it for me. In the end I just see it simply.. While it's obvious some teams have better supporting casts, it's difficult to argue that Nash isn't having another MVP-caliber year. The same can be said for Paul who is doing it on both ends of the floor (1st in steals, 3rd in assists, not to mention the scoring and fg%). Davis as you mentioned is often overlooked and he is a lot like Nash in that he has plenty of talent but it's clear they need him to succeed. I like Parker up in 3rd mainly because of his teams record, that he is the primary scoring option on his team, and IMO is more of a key factor for the Spurs than say Billups is for the Pistons. If it means anything I'd put Deron well above Kidd if we extended that list to 10 players. 3 games over .500 in the west is a LOT more impressive than .500 in the east..
