<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>For starters, if this is Rod Thorn's successor someday - and most people in the organization would be very surprised if Rod makes it to Brooklyn - he has experience in demo jobs, which this team may need two years hence. He can judge young talent, and he can salary dump with the best of them.</div> http://blog.nj.com/netsblast/2007/12/kiki.html This caught my eye.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 31 2007, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Two years! What is Dave smoking? This team needs a demo job now</div> Wouldn't suprise me if this team was kept together for two more seasons after this to try to make the playoffs and create some excitement for Brooklyn. And then when we get to Brooklyn, when all the suites, and the tickets are sold, they do a demo job on the team.
The Nets HAVE to put a quality product on the floor by Brooklyn if they want that stadium to fill. I hate to say it but the Nets are not the Knicks. The Nets won't sell out arenas putting a 25 win team on the floor.
I remember making a thread pointing out that changes need to be made for the team in Brooklyn. If Thorn leaves lets just hope such changes will come.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Dec 31 2007, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Dec 31 2007, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Two years! What is Dave smoking? This team needs a demo job now</div> Wouldn't suprise me if this team was kept together for two more seasons after this to try to make the playoffs and create some excitement for Brooklyn. And then when we get to Brooklyn, when all the suites, and the tickets are sold, they do a demo job on the team. </div> Two more seasons of this? I have no desire to see the Butch Beard era again.
The Nets are trying to win and rebuild at the same time...the hardest thing to do in sports. To do that, you have to be lucky in getting full value from their highest paid players, remain injury free, and consistently pick sleepers in the draft. I wish them well...and there is an assumption here is that rebuilding will lead to success. Whole lot of rebuilding efforts failed or are still continuing.
Don't most teams worth their salt try to win and develop a few younger players at the same time? This is how you maintain a consistent, quality product over time. A mix of vets and some youth is the best mix. All vets, or all youth, isn't good. It's about finding a balance. Nets have that balance. If you don't like watching a team that makes the playoffs every year (and does better than most other teams do every year), then go watch the Knicks. Then you'll realize what you're missing. Only the Nets, Spurs, Pistons, and Mavs have made the playoffs every year since 2002. We're in great company there. This is a good team,and has the potential to be a very good team when Krstic returns healthy. (Don't underestimate a 17 and 7 guy.) Anyway, "blowing up" a team doesn't do anything except make people miserable for many years. You would have to get VERY lucky to draft franchise-changing players... No great free agents will want your cap space to be on a terrible team... And top players won't agree to be traded to you without any good players on your team. So you'll suck for 10-15 years (maybe more) unless you get lucky and hit the jackpot in the draft. Boston would still suck right now if they hadn't kept Pierce, despite the fact that he was an older player on a team of babies. If Boston had gotten rid of him, there's no way Garnett would have ever okayed the trade to there. And that's why you don't see NBA teams blowing themselves up, as much as the overemotional fans may cry for it every time the team loses a game. It usually doesn't do anything but cause misery for decade or more. So yeah, my pet peeve is people who use the phrase "blow it up". If Kiki was only good at blowing things up, I highly doubt Thorn would have even given this guy the time of day.
Thorn is not a spring chicken......I thought the Nets should have tried to pry Chris Mullin since he has Brooklyn ties....then it would have cost too much to do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 1 2008, 10:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Nets are trying to win and rebuild at the same time...the hardest thing to do in sports. To do that, you have to be lucky in getting full value from their highest paid players, remain injury free, and consistently pick sleepers in the draft. I wish them well...and there is an assumption here is that rebuilding will lead to success. Whole lot of rebuilding efforts failed or are still continuing.</div> What level of success are you talking about? I want to see an NBA Championship team and being stuck as a second round playoff team doesn't cut it. The Nets at least got to the finals twice. Then the East changed followed by the Nets changing. The Nets haven't caught up to the top of East yet.
Rebuilding and competing sounds great in theory; however, as seen with the Nets, it isn't working. Making the playoffs every year but winning nothing proves hardly anything. Whoopee damn do, only the Nets, Pistons, and Spurs made the playoffs in the past 4 or 5 years! What in the hell does that prove, especially when he havent gone past the second round in the past 3 or 4 years!? If you consider only reaching the second round in the playoffs as success, then congrats to you. But reality check folks, it will only be a dreadful ride downhill if we continue on this pattern, and we need a good team by the time Brooklyn comes around. The rebuild while competing theory wont put a quality product on the floor unless you have the right personnel, such as the Raptors currently(youth and they have a good team). The East has changed, improved to be more accurate, while the Nets continue to deteriorate. Yes, rebuilding is painful to go through, especially with a crappy staff running the show. But guess what? If we continue on this pattern a quality team wont be available for Brooklyn, and for a much longer time, hurting the Nets financially because they wouldn't draw many fans.
22 NBA teams don't even make the second round each year. Then there will be teams who make it there, and get swept in the second round. Basically, the Nets usually do better than 23 or 24 NBA teams every single year. Only 4 teams can make it past the second round, and all you can ask for is a chance at that, because there are no guarantees in the NBA. For all we know, Garnett could blow out his knee tomorrow and Boston will become playoff fodder. I don't expect something that drastic, but the point is that things can change quickly in the NBA. Last year, we had a chance. This year with Krstic back healthy, I believe we will have a chance. And this team is better than last year. Last year Boone was still barely anything, nevermind capable of starting, and we didn't have Sean, who can do things we haven't see here in years. Let's keep building this team because Boston is old and Detroit is getting very old. There's just so long you can ride a Wallace and McDyess front court. Meanwhile, we have a mix of vets and youth.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kiddisanet @ Jan 2 2008, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let's keep building this team because Boston is old and Detroit is getting very old. There's just so long you can ride a Wallace and McDyess front court. Meanwhile, we have a mix of vets and youth.</div> We aren't that old. Pierce just turned 30, he's in the prime of his career and currently playing the best basketball of his life. KG is 31, and has been nothing short of outstanding. Ray is 32, but still one of the best conditioned NBA players. Meanwhile, Kidd is almost 35 with a couple years remaining in his career. Vince is the same age as Pierce. Our trio's average age 31.0, while New Jersey's is 30.3. And Boston doesn't have a mix of vets and youth? Rajon Rondo is 21, Kendrick Perkins is 23, Tony Allen is almost 26, Glen Davis is 22, Gabe Pruitt is 22, Leon Powe is 24, and James Posey is only 30. 28-32 is the prime of a player's career, in my opinion. We've got 4 excellent veterans at that point and a lot of young prospects.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticBalla32 @ Jan 2 2008, 05:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kiddisanet @ Jan 2 2008, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Let's keep building this team because Boston is old and Detroit is getting very old. There's just so long you can ride a Wallace and McDyess front court. Meanwhile, we have a mix of vets and youth.</div> We aren't that old. Pierce just turned 30, he's in the prime of his career and currently playing the best basketball of his life. KG is 31, and has been nothing short of outstanding. Ray is 32, but still one of the best conditioned NBA players. Meanwhile, Kidd is almost 35 with a couple years remaining in his career. Vince is the same age as Pierce. Our trio's average age 31.0, while New Jersey's is 30.3. And Boston doesn't have a mix of vets and youth? Rajon Rondo is 21, Kendrick Perkins is 23, Tony Allen is almost 26, Glen Davis is 22, Gabe Pruitt is 22, Leon Powe is 24, and James Posey is only 30. 28-32 is the prime of a player's career, in my opinion. We've got 4 excellent veterans at that point and a lot of young prospects. </div> Kiddisanet believes that anyone except for Kidd gets old and breaks down.
Making the 2nd round and then out every year is nothing big to be boast about. Plus, if you are banking on another team's player to be hurt in order for the nets to advance, then that pretty much says we are not at a level to win a championship since we are banking on an injury. Is it nice to dream? Yeah. But it is time to enter reality. And the fact of the situation is that the Nets are a 2nd round and out team with little home attendance and a bleak future with only having Sean and perhaps Boone as the bright spots.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kiddisanet @ Jan 2 2008, 05:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>22 NBA teams don't even make the second round each year. Then there will be teams who make it there, and get swept in the second round. Basically, the Nets usually do better than 23 or 24 NBA teams every single year. Only 4 teams can make it past the second round, and all you can ask for is a chance at that, because there are no guarantees in the NBA. For all we know, Garnett could blow out his knee tomorrow and Boston will become playoff fodder. I don't expect something that drastic, but the point is that things can change quickly in the NBA. Last year, we had a chance. This year with Krstic back healthy, I believe we will have a chance. And this team is better than last year. Last year Boone was still barely anything, nevermind capable of starting, and we didn't have Sean, who can do things we haven't see here in years. Let's keep building this team because Boston is old and Detroit is getting very old. There's just so long you can ride a Wallace and McDyess front court. Meanwhile, we have a mix of vets and youth.</div> what??? do u ever make sense?
