The Lakers are apparently shopping Kwame around the league, and won't accept anybody but a "real" player in return, otherwise, his contract WILL be dropped this summer.
It is nice to hear that. But is this a rumor or a fact. But I hope that the Lakers can get something at least descent in return.
I think his 9 million dollar expiring contract will attract a couple of teams, but I'm not sure if I'd be willing to part ways with him. He is a pretty good backup center for Bynum, and if we do trade him without getting a decent big in return, that means we will have to see more of Chris Mihm (yuck), or Ronny Turiaf at center, which is not his natural position.
With Mihm playing horrible and injured at this point, we should keep Kwame unless we get some good ass deal for Kwame which I doubt.
how about this: odom and kwame for ben wallace and nocioni? it works salary wise. i do nt know if the bulls would do it though. unless they are looking to unload wallace, because he kind of sucks thes days, then i dont see why they would do it. i remember last week there was a thing about bulls wanting to rid themselves of wallace. if it did work though, would you guys do it? i think if we had wallace start at PF with bynum there would be that same energy and intensity that wallace and sheed had in detroit. plus our inside defense would be greatly improved. we get rid of stupid head and kwame brown's contract and along with wallace we get nocioni, who would serve as an awsome back up for both ariza and kobe. we could even throw luke into the mix and nab ourselves noah, that works salary wise. that way we would have a much taller, bigger lineup and more depth at our big man positions. our new lineup (=sick) fisher/farmar/critt kobe/sasha/nocioni/karl ariza/nocioni/radman wallace/radman/noah/ronny bynum/noah/mihm what do you think of that lineup, if we could get the deal done that is?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gambitnut @ Jan 4 2008, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If he comes back to his pre-injury form, would you consider Darius Miles a "real player"?</div> Oh god no. I gave up on him years ago. Plus we already have Ariza.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AKIRA @ Jan 4 2008, 02:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>how about this: odom and kwame for ben wallace and nocioni? it works salary wise. i do nt know if the bulls would do it though. unless they are looking to unload wallace, because he kind of sucks thes days, then i dont see why they would do it. i remember last week there was a thing about bulls wanting to rid themselves of wallace. if it did work though, would you guys do it? i think if we had wallace start at PF with bynum there would be that same energy and intensity that wallace and sheed had in detroit. plus our inside defense would be greatly improved. we get rid of stupid head and kwame brown's contract and along with wallace we get nocioni, who would serve as an awsome back up for both ariza and kobe. we could even throw luke into the mix and nab ourselves noah, that works salary wise. that way we would have a much taller, bigger lineup and more depth at our big man positions. our new lineup (=sick) fisher/farmar/critt kobe/sasha/nocioni/karl ariza/nocioni/radman wallace/radman/noah/ronny bynum/noah/mihm what do you think of that lineup, if we could get the deal done that is?</div> As a Bulls fan, I was thinking pretty much the opposite. I'd be on Wallace/Noc for Kwame/Odom like white on rice.
I think your trade is realistic AKIRA and one I'd consider if I'm the Lakers. Ben Wallace isn't the player he was, but his job would be easier alongside Bynum in the post. He would be the physical player the team has needed and I love Nocioni's game. Ben Wallace is basically pulling down the money Odom makes, but at least he can give you defense every night. He was terrible defending the high pick and roll last night and was getting out rebounded by the more athletic Blazers on a few occasions, but he also came up with a key block to send the game into OT. Maybe a change of scenery is what he needs at this point to get him energized again. Added bonus will be Bynum being able to bang with him in practice to work on holding position against the more physical teams.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AKIRA @ Jan 4 2008, 02:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>how about this: odom and kwame for ben wallace and nocioni? it works salary wise. i do nt know if the bulls would do it though. unless they are looking to unload wallace, because he kind of sucks thes days, then i dont see why they would do it. i remember last week there was a thing about bulls wanting to rid themselves of wallace. if it did work though, would you guys do it? i think if we had wallace start at PF with bynum there would be that same energy and intensity that wallace and sheed had in detroit. plus our inside defense would be greatly improved. we get rid of stupid head and kwame brown's contract and along with wallace we get nocioni, who would serve as an awsome back up for both ariza and kobe. we could even throw luke into the mix and nab ourselves noah, that works salary wise. that way we would have a much taller, bigger lineup and more depth at our big man positions. our new lineup (=sick) fisher/farmar/critt kobe/sasha/nocioni/karl ariza/nocioni/radman wallace/radman/noah/ronny bynum/noah/mihm what do you think of that lineup, if we could get the deal done that is?</div> If I'm the Lakers, I do this in a heartbeat. Ben Wallace is really just a better Kwame Brown (without the expiring contract) and Nocioni is a gritty, passionate player that's sure to show up night in and night out, although without Odom's upside.
I don't want any part of Ben Wallace. The guy has a massive contract, and I believe he is pretty much finished. He is absolutely worthless on offense, just like Kwame Brown, and his defense has fallen off ever since he left Detriot. He hasn't even been rebounding the ball that well. All the Bulls fans hate him, and I personally believe we could land Wallace for a couple of expiring contracts and picks, no need to give up Lamar in the deal
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 4 2008, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't want any part of Ben Wallace. The guy has a massive contract, and I believe he is pretty much finished. He is absolutely worthless on offense, just like Kwame Brown, and his defense has fallen off ever since he left Detriot. He hasn't even been rebounding the ball that well. All the Bulls fans hate him, and I personally believe we could land Wallace for a couple of expiring contracts and picks, no need to give up Lamar in the deal</div> Here's how I view the deal ... I'd rather have Nocioni than Odom. I'd rather have Big Ben than Kwame. Ben Wallace is useless on offense, but the Lakers don't struggle to score the basket. Dennis Rodman was another useless player on offense for the Championship Bulls, but he helped them win a title by doing the grunt work. He rebounded the ball well last night with 14 rebounds, 5 on the offensive glass. He's had 5 straight games with double digit rebounding along with 14 blocks. Ben Wallace contract is only 1 year longer than Odom's.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Jan 4 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 4 2008, 12:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't want any part of Ben Wallace. The guy has a massive contract, and I believe he is pretty much finished. He is absolutely worthless on offense, just like Kwame Brown, and his defense has fallen off ever since he left Detriot. He hasn't even been rebounding the ball that well. All the Bulls fans hate him, and I personally believe we could land Wallace for a couple of expiring contracts and picks, no need to give up Lamar in the deal</div> Here's how I view the deal ... I'd rather have Nocioni than Odom. I'd rather have Big Ben than Kwame. Ben Wallace is useless on offense, but the Lakers don't struggle to score the basket. Dennis Rodman was another useless player on offense for the Championship Bulls, but he helped them win a title by doing the grunt work. He rebounded the ball well last night with 14 rebounds, 5 on the offensive glass. He's had 5 straight games with double digit rebounding along with 14 blocks. Ben Wallace contract is only 1 year longer than Odom's. </div> So in other words, this deal will never happen. 2010 PLAN!
Hah. I knew someone would bring that up. Big Ben could be an expiring contract we would need for a sign & trade deal. Just like Boston did with Theo Ratliff.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Jan 4 2008, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hah. I knew someone would bring that up. Big Ben could be an expiring contract we would need for a sign & trade deal. Just like Boston did with Theo Ratliff.</div> I'm just worried that with kwame's weak mind, hearing this will make him play worse than he already does. It was the organization's faith in him a couple years ago that made him improve at all. I wish they kept it quiet unless something actually happens.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ludichris @ Jan 4 2008, 02:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Jan 4 2008, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hah. I knew someone would bring that up. Big Ben could be an expiring contract we would need for a sign & trade deal. Just like Boston did with Theo Ratliff.</div> I'm just worried that with kwame's weak mind, hearing this will make him play worse than he already does. It was the organization's faith in him a couple years ago that made him improve at all. </div> Good point. Him and Lamar couldn't handle trade rumors in the past either. Kwame just bought a new house right across the street from Dr. Buss this past summer. He better start playing like he wants to be here.
Ben Wallace and Noc or Odom and Brown??? I LOVE IT! But, Noc would start over Ariza, he's much more experienced. Phil can split their minutes in half. It would be interesting to see Ben and Bynum working together, but if Ben doesn't contribute, we have a poison contract on our roster JUST LIKE KWAME BROWN/BRIAN GRANT! I prefer Shape's deal of trading LO for expiring contracts and releasing Brown after this season to go after Elton Brand.
