<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 14 2008, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This team sux.Carter and RJ will never co-exist,chip RJ ass,and get a BIG.There's no player on this team, who can create his own shot,except Carter.Buches of prima donna SO F*CKING SAD</div> And some nights, Carter can't create his own shot. He used to be able to break guys down and dunk.What happened to that skill? It's gone, he gets by on jumpers and craftiness now. and yet the Nets signed him for the next however many years. They shoulda let him walk or signed and traded his ass while his value was still high. I also miss Kittles often. He was my favorite Net. And he could hit an open jumper, unlike 11 of the current Nets. Remember having a fast 2 guard who actually liked to run the floor and ran like a gazelle?
carter gets heat because of the money he is getting, the talent he has and how he performs. he is our star, our main offensive weapon, yet doesnt measure up to the other stars in the league (or even to himself when he first arrived here). when our team cant get anything going offensively, that is when a guy like vince is supposed to step up on a rather consistent basis and either keep us in the game or just take control of the game for a bit until everyone else gets going. im not blaming this season on vince, its just that vince leaves sooo much to be desired. now when vince has it, vince is great. the problem is that vince doesnt have it that much anymore. the guy cant jump, has no quickness and is not a highlight reel player anymore. vinsanity is dead, but he still can show a flash here and there. if vinsanity is dead, thats fine by me but he just doesnt play how i think he should be playing. maybe thats my fault for having him on another platform than the average star, maybe its his fault, or maybe its a combination, but vince needs to play up to his standard 9 games out of 10. that is what separated the stars from the role players. i know what he did for us since hes been here and what he has done this year, but he should be doing so much more. one thing is that when our team is playing well and feeling good, usually everyone plays well. its easy to look good and play well when everyone is just in that zone. its easy to look good while winning, but when losing starts that is when you need people to step up. that is when you find out if a coach can coach, if a player can be a leader and what not. this is when i want vince to step up, this is when i want to see players giving a dam while running offensive sets, this is when i want to see our guys plays like they know how to clog the paint and rattle the opposing. its not just vince, but i think it starts with vince. vince is the guy, that is the bottom line. he has to play like the guy. kidd can only do so much. he plays boths ends, but just cannot be counted on consistently on the offensive end. that is carter's specialty. if kidd had the touch, the size, the athletic ability that vince has then he would be doing everything he can to carry us or dig us out of the hole. kidd just cant offensively. RJ some days has it, some days doesnt. he has a great approach of getting to the rim, but just doesnt have the offensive package that vince can put together. i like vince. hes a very likeable guy off the court, but he drives me nuts most games on the court. maybe i've built him up too much. there are games where vince looks like a top 5 player, then other games where it looks like hes going through the motions. if you want to be paid like the guy, and be the guy, then you gotta bring it every single ****ing game. i guess all this .500 bullshit for the last few years if finally getting to me. vince has the ability to pick this clusterfuck of a team up and win games himself, he just doesnt anymore. i guess i am just scared of having him for the next 4 years if this is what we will see. maybe vince needs to be the guy without a #2 like RJ. maybe he wants to feel needed more, idk. its just frustrating because vince as a net was good and is just slowing down before our eyes. it frustrates and scares me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xcalibur @ Jan 15 2008, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>carter gets heat because of the money he is getting, the talent he has and how he performs. he is our star, our main offensive weapon, yet doesnt measure up to the other stars in the league (or even to himself when he first arrived here). when our team cant get anything going offensively, that is when a guy like vince is supposed to step up on a rather consistent basis and either keep us in the game or just take control of the game for a bit until everyone else gets going. im not blaming this season on vince, its just that vince leaves sooo much to be desired. now when vince has it, vince is great. the problem is that vince doesnt have it that much anymore. the guy cant jump, has no quickness and is not a highlight reel player anymore. vinsanity is dead, but he still can show a flash here and there. if vinsanity is dead, thats fine by me but he just doesnt play how i think he should be playing. maybe thats my fault for having him on another platform than the average star, maybe its his fault, or maybe its a combination, but vince needs to play up to his standard 9 games out of 10. that is what separated the stars from the role players. i know what he did for us since hes been here and what he has done this year, but he should be doing so much more. one thing is that when our team is playing well and feeling good, usually everyone plays well. its easy to look good and play well when everyone is just in that zone. its easy to look good while winning, but when losing starts that is when you need people to step up. that is when you find out if a coach can coach, if a player can be a leader and what not. this is when i want vince to step up, this is when i want to see players giving a dam while running offensive sets, this is when i want to see our guys plays like they know how to clog the paint and rattle the opposing. its not just vince, but i think it starts with vince. vince is the guy, that is the bottom line. he has to play like the guy. kidd can only do so much. he plays boths ends, but just cannot be counted on consistently on the offensive end. that is carter's specialty. if kidd had the touch, the size, the athletic ability that vince has then he would be doing everything he can to carry us or dig us out of the hole. kidd just cant offensively. RJ some days has it, some days doesnt. he has a great approach of getting to the rim, but just doesnt have the offensive package that vince can put together. i like vince. hes a very likeable guy off the court, but he drives me nuts most games on the court. maybe i've built him up too much. there are games where vince looks like a top 5 player, then other games where it looks like hes going through the motions. if you want to be paid like the guy, and be the guy, then you gotta bring it every single ****ing game. i guess all this .500 bullshit for the last few years if finally getting to me. vince has the ability to pick this clusterfuck of a team up and win games himself, he just doesnt anymore. i guess i am just scared of having him for the next 4 years if this is what we will see. maybe vince needs to be the guy without a #2 like RJ. maybe he wants to feel needed more, idk. its just frustrating because vince as a net was good and is just slowing down before our eyes. it frustrates and scares me.</div> Simply a great post
One thing Vince needs to learn that you don't get foul calls just because you yell out like a girl. The book is out on him on that one and refs aren't buying it. I've always hated when guys like Ginobili and Kobe cry out for a call when they drive to the hoop, and Vince is becoming just as bad, maybe worse.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Jan 15 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>One thing Vince needs to learn that you don't get foul calls just because you yell out like a girl. The book is out on him on that one and refs aren't buying it. I've always hated when guys like Ginobili and Kobe cry out for a call when they drive to the hoop, and Vince is becoming just as bad, maybe worse.</div> yup. vince screams more now because he cannot lift off like he used too. vince doesnt elevate over the defenders, he kind of glides into them. i hate how superstars scream like they are being stabbed, then bitch when they dont get a call. i hate that players play to get fouls instead of play to make the basket.
From the day he was traded to the Nets, I knew this day would come. VC and JKidd's skill sets are not a match. Kidd needs constant motion to succeed....check back to our Finals days. When players aren't moving and creating passing lanes, Kidd just becomes a spectator pounding the ball or straddling the 3 point stripe. The has developed bad habits from watching VC just pound the ball, rather than quickly moving the ball to the open man. VC has to depend on his 1-1 game or pick and roll game, it basically shuts 3-4 teammates out of the action, when that happens, they start to develop lazy habits, now mix that in with losing, the team just goes through the motions. How the hell does a team like Toronto beat Portland? Pound the rock into the paint....they have Chris Bosh, when they need a bucket, a bucket from 5 feet is easier than one from 25. They have much more balance to their team, Parker, Kapono, Bosh....a nice inside out game. When you pack the zone in, you take away the Big 3's game of attacking the paint.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Jan 15 2008, 11:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>One thing Vince needs to learn that you don't get foul calls just because you yell out like a girl. The book is out on him on that one and refs aren't buying it. I've always hated when guys like Ginobili and Kobe cry out for a call when they drive to the hoop, and Vince is becoming just as bad, maybe worse.</div> It seems a lot, and I mean a lot of players do that. Including K-Mart. I think a player who never shouts vs. one who shouts probably gets less calls than the one who does.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (xcalibur @ Jan 15 2008, 12:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>carter gets heat because of the money he is getting, the talent he has and how he performs. he is our star, our main offensive weapon, yet doesnt measure up to the other stars in the league (or even to himself when he first arrived here). when our team cant get anything going offensively, that is when a guy like vince is supposed to step up on a rather consistent basis and either keep us in the game or just take control of the game for a bit until everyone else gets going. im not blaming this season on vince, its just that vince leaves sooo much to be desired. now when vince has it, vince is great. the problem is that vince doesnt have it that much anymore. the guy cant jump, has no quickness and is not a highlight reel player anymore. vinsanity is dead, but he still can show a flash here and there. if vinsanity is dead, thats fine by me but he just doesnt play how i think he should be playing. maybe thats my fault for having him on another platform than the average star, maybe its his fault, or maybe its a combination, but vince needs to play up to his standard 9 games out of 10. that is what separated the stars from the role players. i know what he did for us since hes been here and what he has done this year, but he should be doing so much more. one thing is that when our team is playing well and feeling good, usually everyone plays well. its easy to look good and play well when everyone is just in that zone. its easy to look good while winning, but when losing starts that is when you need people to step up. that is when you find out if a coach can coach, if a player can be a leader and what not. this is when i want vince to step up, this is when i want to see players giving a dam while running offensive sets, this is when i want to see our guys plays like they know how to clog the paint and rattle the opposing. its not just vince, but i think it starts with vince. vince is the guy, that is the bottom line. he has to play like the guy. kidd can only do so much. he plays boths ends, but just cannot be counted on consistently on the offensive end. that is carter's specialty. if kidd had the touch, the size, the athletic ability that vince has then he would be doing everything he can to carry us or dig us out of the hole. kidd just cant offensively. RJ some days has it, some days doesnt. he has a great approach of getting to the rim, but just doesnt have the offensive package that vince can put together. i like vince. hes a very likeable guy off the court, but he drives me nuts most games on the court. maybe i've built him up too much. there are games where vince looks like a top 5 player, then other games where it looks like hes going through the motions. if you want to be paid like the guy, and be the guy, then you gotta bring it every single ****ing game. i guess all this .500 bullshit for the last few years if finally getting to me. vince has the ability to pick this clusterfuck of a team up and win games himself, he just doesnt anymore. i guess i am just scared of having him for the next 4 years if this is what we will see. maybe vince needs to be the guy without a #2 like RJ. maybe he wants to feel needed more, idk. its just frustrating because vince as a net was good and is just slowing down before our eyes. it frustrates and scares me.</div> Wow, amazing post, spot on. Totally agree with everything.
