I think this is quite funny. I don't like Randolph as a player because clearly he's a blackhole and doesn't play much defense but the fact is, he ownes the Nets. Since 03-04 when he hit "stardom" he is 9-2 vs. the Nets; including 3 straight wins this years with the Knicks. Oh also, let's not forget that Portland swept the Nets last season also. Maybe the Nets should trade for him
no shit, cowlins sucks as well. z-bo just destroys our crappy frontline everytime. i love sean but he has a TON of work to do on his game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jan 16 2008, 06:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 16 2008, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jan 16 2008, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 16 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First, they didn't trade him for nothing. Second, the guy who took his place in the lineup has a 19 PER But PER doesn't translate into more wins. I get it.</div> I'm not trying to argue that. I'm saying the PER is a worthless piece of shit. Jason Collins has a 2 PER, but he's a role player who comes off the bench, so comparing him to Randolph is futile IMO. Zach Randolph may put up these stats and may have a higher PER than even Jason Kidd, but would any sane person take Zach Randolph over Jason Kidd? </div> Comparing him to Collins is exactly the point. One of those 6 turds you need to polish. The only good argument anyone's made against the Nets going for Randolph is salary considerations. The only arguments made against PER has been "the forumla is complicated" (which isn't an argument against it, at all) and "it's a worthless piece of shit" which is an assertion without any supporting argument. And you did say that Portland traded Randolph for nothing. </div> Channing Frye? Good player. Steve Francis? Gone the next day. For a 20/10 player I thought they would get more. There's plenty of good arguments against NJ going against Zach Randolph. First off, if you're going to make a move, you make one that makes your team an elite team. I don't see how bringing in an immature big man who albeit puts up stats, but doesn't play any defense and has a laundry list of off the court problems does that. The other option for the Nets is to blow it up and rebuild, which would eliminate any need to go after Zach Randolph. Also, I'm sure the Nets are pleased with the development of both Sean Williams and Josh Boone, and want to seem them both in the lineup. If they both keep getting better (Sean Williams is going to be really, really good in this league), why would we trade for someone with the problems of Zach Randolph and the contract he carries? Especially when we have FA concerns this season and in the coming years. </div> You left out the salary cap relief the Blazers got in the deal. I don't care if it's Randolph or Dwight Howard, if he's going to sit on the bench most of the time and you're paying $13M for him, it is better to deal him for a shorter contract the same size. Blazers saved $26M or so.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jan 16 2008, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I still don't get how Zach Randolph's 3 pt% has any relevance to anything.</div> It adds credence to the fact that Zach has very good range for a big man. He's by no means a 3-point threat, but can hit them if needed.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Jan 16 2008, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kid Chocolate @ Jan 16 2008, 07:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I still don't get how Zach Randolph's 3 pt% has any relevance to anything.</div> It adds credence to the fact that Zach has very good range for a big man. He's by no means a 3-point threat, but can hit them if needed. </div> If your PG isn't hitting many of them, it helps to have someone else provide some range.
The fact that he even has a 3pt. % is odd. I just looked it up and he's attempted 20 threes so far this season, and attempted 48 and 55 the years before.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 16 2008, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jan 16 2008, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>A normalized piece of nonsense is still nonsense. Again, I have NEVER seen any evidence that there is ANY correlation between PER and a team's record. Given that points scored is a major element of PER, one would think that there is SOME correlation, but again, it's not like we're talking about a trained statistician here. What he's doing is coming up with a comparative value of points, steals, blocks, rebounds, assists, etc. and adding them up to get a "value." Why are his linear weights better than anyone else's? I imagine that he ran a regression analysis once, which is why he ended up with such a ridiculous formula, but whatever. and cpaw, Dean Oliver is not the "wages of wins" guy, as far as I know. One of Oliver's points that I totally agree with is that offensive rebounding is an OFFENSIVE skill, while defensive rebounding is a DEFENSIVE skill, which is why it doesn't make sense to just add up total rebounds to measure a player's skill. They are two different things. My view can be stated as follows: Boone is a tremendous offensive rebounder, and his primary job on the other end is just to PREVENT the other team from getting offensive rebounds, and it doesn't matter who gets them. Thus, in my world, if a guard like Kidd gets a defensive rebound, then the frontcourt players should get partial credit for it, because they have to do their job for that to happen.</div> I know who Dean Oliver is and I didn't call him the wages of wins guy. The wages of wins guy is the other person you mentioned in your post, David Berri. FWIW, Dean Oliver works for the Nuggets and joined the team last season. As far as rebounding, I prefer to look look at a team's offensive and defensive rebounding % when a player is on and off the court. That way it is pace adjusted. </div> haha, whoops.
The irony of this whole discussion, for me, is seeing all the "learn to shoot" type threads, and here's a guy who actually can do that and play a position the team needs help at badly.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 16 2008, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real @ Jan 16 2008, 06:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 16 2008, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First, they didn't trade him for nothing. Second, the guy who took his place in the lineup has a 19 PER But PER doesn't translate into more wins. I get it.</div> I'm not trying to argue that. I'm saying the PER is a worthless piece of shit. Jason Collins has a 2 PER, but he's a role player who comes off the bench, so comparing him to Randolph is futile IMO. Zach Randolph may put up these stats and may have a higher PER than even Jason Kidd, but would any sane person take Zach Randolph over Jason Kidd? </div> Comparing him to Collins is exactly the point. One of those 6 turds you need to polish. The only good argument anyone's made against the Nets going for Randolph is salary considerations. The only arguments made against PER has been "the forumla is complicated" (which isn't an argument against it, at all) and "it's a worthless piece of shit" which is an assertion without any supporting argument. And you did say that Portland traded Randolph for nothing. </div> um, no. Maybe I used words that are too big, so let me try again. If PER has validity as a measurement of player performance, then one would assume that the team with players with the highest PER should have the best record. I am asking whether that is true. I have never seen any study or other evidence that shows that team-wide PER correlates to the team's record, or even that the team with the higher PER in a given game wins a certain percentage of the time. Again, one would assume that this is true since points scored is a material element of the formula. However, given Hollinger's penchant for self-promotion, if this was true, I'd imagine we'd have had it rammed down our throat by now. PER essentially applies linear weights to a number of significant events in a basketball game to try to calculate player value. In this way, it is no different than almost a dozen other publicly-available player rating system. Is there any evidence that Hollinger's is any better than the others? It may be more complicated, but that does not mean better. My point, by the way, about how "complicated" the formula is is a statement about intellectual fakery: people are more apt to believe something they can't understand or explain, because it makes them feel smart. It could be about the weather, it could be understanding how the stock market works, it doesn't matter the subject. When it comes to Hollinger's PER, though, you've got a significant number of people who just repeat it glassy-eyed without knowing what the hell it means, and that is pathetic. In this case, as I've said, I've seen no evidence that there is any correlation between the PER and team performance, hence, there is no way that we should trust it to accurately rate individual performance.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 16 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The irony of this whole discussion, for me, is seeing all the "learn to shoot" type threads, and here's a guy who actually can do that and play a position the team needs help at badly.</div> Oh his midrange would help, no doubt, but I don't think its worth taking on everything else that is Zach Randolph. Plus, I would think we're more concerned about 3 pt shooting. It was a major weapon of our offense the second half of last year, and Zach wouldn't help with that.
Dumpy, You know what TENDEX is? I haven't seen it used much lately, but it was kind of a big deal back in the 70s. Same kind of thing, but much simpler. It's not surprising that with the rise of the nerds that guys with slide rules, pocket protectors, and econ degrees might look at this and make a tweak or two to it. EVOLUTION. Live it, love it, learn it <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>tendex Tendex, sometimes called Tendex index, is a basketball player rating system. Credit for the system is attributed to Dave Heeren, a sports writer from Florida. The Tendex system is a linear rating system, in which relative player ratings are created based on a linear weighting of the various player statistics. The basic Tendex formula is often given as: (POINTS + REBOUNDS + ASSISTS + STEALS + BLOCKS - Missed SHOTS - (Missed FREETHROWS)/2 - TURNOVERS - FOULS) / Played MINUTES Criticism of the Tendex system is that it overvalues big men and does not give enough credit to guards. Therefore there is number of different variants. Some give more weight on steals, some don't divide the index by minutes, etc. The Tendex index of 0.700 or above is consider to be the sign of superstardom. 1.000 is achievable too but far more rare. However, we have to keep in mind that if a player plays only a minute or two a very high rating may be resulted but it's hardly comparable with those who have played far more. To give an example, I approximated Michael Jordan's Tendex: 0.672</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 16 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dumpy, You know what TENDEX is? I haven't seen it used much lately, but it was kind of a big deal back in the 70s. Same kind of thing, but much simpler. It's not surprising that with the rise of the nerds that guys with slide rules, pocket protectors, and econ degrees might look at this and make a tweak or two to it. EVOLUTION. Live it, love it, learn it <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>tendex Tendex, sometimes called Tendex index, is a basketball player rating system. Credit for the system is attributed to Dave Heeren, a sports writer from Florida. The Tendex system is a linear rating system, in which relative player ratings are created based on a linear weighting of the various player statistics. The basic Tendex formula is often given as: (POINTS + REBOUNDS + ASSISTS + STEALS + BLOCKS - Missed SHOTS - (Missed FREETHROWS)/2 - TURNOVERS - FOULS) / Played MINUTES Criticism of the Tendex system is that it overvalues big men and does not give enough credit to guards. Therefore there is number of different variants. Some give more weight on steals, some don't divide the index by minutes, etc. The Tendex index of 0.700 or above is consider to be the sign of superstardom. 1.000 is achievable too but far more rare. However, we have to keep in mind that if a player plays only a minute or two a very high rating may be resulted but it's hardly comparable with those who have played far more. To give an example, I approximated Michael Jordan's Tendex: 0.672</div> </div> exactly--and the linear weights were adjusted by a bunch of people other than Hollinger in different ways. I won't take credit--Oliver lists them in "Basketball on Paper." Oliver dismisses them all en masse because of a complaint he has with the general linear weight theory. Is Hollinger's better than the others? I have no evidence one way or the other. I am not willing to rely on Hollinger's method over, say, the simple version of the formula until I see that it is better, and the best way to do that is to predict team wins, it seems to me.
-Last summer-Zbo traded for basically Frye. wow -Halway through the season-Zbo is on trading block. Wow.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Jan 16 2008, 04:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd, Isiah would never accept that trade. Basically, we add salary and get nothing tangible in return. The Nets will have to throw in draft picks for the Knicks to even consider making that deal. I don't know how well Zach will fit in with the Nets, especially with your PF's developing. Zach will definitely add a low post presence and can keep the opposing shot blocker out the paint with his jumper. But sometimes he can go a little nut and not pass the rock. Kidd, VC, RJ, and Randolph is intimidating though. But I think Isiah would want something significant in return though. Rumor has it he's after Carter (as he has been for a couple of years now).</div> The deal benefits the Nets much more if Carter is included. Even so, I'd rather trade him for nothing than be forced to pay Zach Randolph (which will never happen anyway).
Dumpy, It's not that relevant whose weights you prefer, as long as you're not comparing tendex values to PER. The units are of the same measure when talking PER vs. PER. The thing is, no matter how you weight the numbers (with honorable intent), Zach is going to certainly outclass/outscore the bigs the Nets have by a longshot. Or you could be dishonorable and derive a formula intended to show Collins is the best player ever, and we both know that's possible. Thing about tendex is it was done by a flunky sportswriter before the Bill James Project and the general field of sabremetrics got going. I will say that PER isn't the be-all/end-all of statistics, nor do I present it as such. My statistical argument included much more than PER. I also feel that any argument based on PER must include at least minutes played/game or you end up with the number out of context. Mathematically, it makes sense, since one of the last steps is to adjust to per minute values. To be more clear, Joakim Noah has a PER of 18. While I think he's shown a lot of potential and contributed when he's played, his minutes are small and a lot of them are garbage time. When you see his MPG are on the low side, the "quality" of his PER rating is better understood. I know of no study that correlates PER with team wins. However, it's pretty clear that a team of five players with 15 PER is going to be considerably better than a team of five players with 10 PER. Agreed? If not, we can arrange a little challenge where you pick 5 with PER of 10 and I'll pick 5 with PER of 15 and we'll see. It gets even more obvious at the high end where guys have PER over 20 or 25, just how much better these guys are than the average player.
Well, this isn't about Jason Collins, so there's no need to bring him into it. I'll accept your challenge, if you can provide a list of PER values. I'll go first. Jason Kidd. Your turn.
You can't have Kidd, his PER is > 10 http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/s...er%2fstatistics <pre> Hollinger Stats: Player Efficiency Rating - All Positions RNK Player GP Min FG% FT% TS% Ast TO Usg ORR DRR RebR PER 1 LeBron James, CLE 33 40.4 .487 .699 .567 20.2 9.0 32.2 4.6 17.7 10.8 30.36 2 Chris Paul, NOR 35 37.7 .488 .881 .580 32.7 8.5 27.2 2.1 9.7 5.8 28.49 3 Amare Stoudemire, PHO 35 31.8 .577 .757 .634 6.0 9.5 24.2 9.3 21.8 15.9 26.87 4 Kevin Garnett, BOS 36 35.0 .551 .792 .602 16.6 9.8 22.8 7.2 25.7 17.0 25.90 5 Dwight Howard, ORL 40 38.7 .597 .603 .623 6.6 14.8 22.1 10.6 32.9 22.1 24.97 6 Kobe Bryant, LAL 37 36.6 .443 .854 .558 15.2 9.3 30.6 3.1 13.5 8.6 24.95 7 Manu Ginobili, SAS 31 29.2 .438 .830 .593 17.9 11.8 28.8 3.9 14.9 9.4 24.86 8 Tim Duncan, SAS 32 33.3 .511 .698 .550 14.0 10.5 25.3 11.2 27.5 19.3 24.78 9 Chauncey Billups, DET 37 33.7 .450 .901 .620 30.9 8.7 23.0 1.9 8.5 5.2 24.29 10 Carlos Boozer, UTH 38 34.9 .548 .735 .581 11.3 10.7 26.4 9.5 27.9 18.7 24.04 11 Chris Bosh, TOR 33 35.5 .460 .848 .555 9.3 9.1 25.9 9.7 20.7 15.1 23.96 12 Dirk Nowitzki, DAL 38 36.5 .480 .862 .581 14.8 8.9 25.4 3.7 22.5 13.5 23.54 13 Kevin Martin, SAC 19 38.2 .467 .856 .622 8.2 8.4 23.9 1.5 12.9 7.3 22.93 14 Steve Nash, PHO 37 34.1 .514 .897 .643 41.2 12.7 23.3 1.1 10.0 5.8 22.83 15 Yao Ming, HOU 39 37.2 .498 .860 .577 9.6 14.0 25.7 9.4 22.5 16.0 22.80 16 Andrew Bynum, LAL 35 28.8 .636 .695 .659 13.2 11.3 15.9 12.0 25.6 19.2 22.80 17 Dwyane Wade, MIA 28 37.9 .471 .738 .549 20.5 13.8 30.8 3.0 10.2 6.6 22.41 18 T.J. Ford, TOR 17 25.9 .487 .854 .548 30.7 11.0 28.0 2.3 6.4 4.3 22.26 19 Caron Butler, WAS 36 40.5 .484 .905 .570 16.8 9.9 23.3 4.7 15.1 9.9 22.24 20 Al Jefferson, MIN 37 36.4 .489 .693 .522 5.6 9.4 24.1 12.1 25.9 18.8 22.03 21 Allen Iverson, DEN 37 41.6 .465 .819 .572 20.5 9.8 26.0 1.3 5.8 3.6 21.74 22 Jose Calderon, TOR 38 30.5 .509 .909 .591 42.0 7.3 19.1 1.6 10.6 6.0 21.59 23 Baron Davis, GSW 39 38.9 .423 .738 .529 25.9 8.9 25.5 3.5 9.8 6.6 21.57 24 Tracy McGrady, HOU 25 35.2 .439 .705 .515 17.3 8.2 30.3 1.2 14.0 7.6 21.35 25 Tony Parker, SAS 32 34.7 .492 .741 .549 23.8 10.0 27.9 1.6 9.0 5.3 21.13 26 Michael Redd, MIL 34 37.6 .442 .858 .573 13.9 9.9 25.9 3.2 12.1 7.6 20.64 27 Deron Williams, UTH 39 36.9 .513 .777 .597 31.6 12.2 24.2 1.3 8.3 4.8 20.51 28 Carmelo Anthony, DEN 37 37.2 .471 .779 .545 11.2 11.5 28.4 7.0 13.3 10.2 20.46 29 Pau Gasol, MEM 34 37.0 .499 .824 .567 13.3 9.0 20.7 7.4 19.2 13.4 20.42 30 Josh Smith, ATL 33 35.6 .438 .714 .513 13.7 13.8 25.4 6.5 18.8 12.7 20.41 31 Richard Hamilton, DET 37 34.8 .495 .824 .563 19.7 7.8 24.0 4.3 7.4 5.8 20.16 32 Brandon Roy, POR 37 36.6 .454 .781 .537 22.6 7.2 24.4 3.4 11.1 7.4 20.15 33 Shawn Marion, PHO 37 37.2 .519 .674 .581 12.5 6.5 16.0 6.3 23.2 15.2 20.10 34 Josh Howard, DAL 35 36.0 .475 .821 .558 9.4 7.2 23.5 5.1 18.8 12.2 19.93 35 David West, NOR 36 36.9 .473 .832 .519 10.1 9.4 24.0 8.2 21.7 14.8 19.89 36 Antawn Jamison, WAS 37 39.7 .434 .758 .522 6.4 5.9 22.8 8.2 23.2 15.7 19.87 37 Paul Pierce, BOS 36 38.8 .443 .825 .572 18.7 11.7 24.3 2.2 14.8 8.9 19.57 38 Jason Terry, DAL 38 31.2 .487 .831 .606 20.2 7.1 19.8 1.2 8.4 5.0 19.41 39 LaMarcus Aldridge, POR 32 34.3 .499 .763 .541 6.0 9.7 23.0 10.5 15.1 12.9 19.05 40 Brendan Haywood, WAS 36 27.3 .535 .733 .591 6.8 13.4 15.7 14.7 18.1 16.4 19.00 41 Richard Jefferson, NJN 37 39.0 .462 .804 .573 10.7 10.2 25.8 3.4 9.6 6.4 18.78 42 Vince Carter, NJN 32 38.1 .458 .801 .558 18.1 9.4 24.5 3.9 12.5 8.1 18.65 43 Gerald Wallace, CHA 36 39.6 .467 .726 .564 13.0 13.4 23.9 3.1 14.6 8.8 18.61 44 Marcus Camby, DEN 36 34.5 .459 .673 .504 22.9 10.6 12.5 10.0 33.4 21.8 18.60 45 Shaquille O'Neal, MIA 28 28.4 .589 .465 .578 8.3 17.7 22.0 12.7 20.6 16.7 18.56 46 Andre Iguodala, PHI 39 39.0 .439 .769 .538 17.8 12.2 23.2 3.5 13.8 8.6 18.47 47 Tyson Chandler, NOR 36 34.6 .594 .662 .620 8.1 15.5 14.4 13.9 26.5 20.0 18.34 48 Andris Biedrins, GSW 39 27.8 .617 .616 .626 10.9 12.9 13.3 11.9 25.4 18.4 18.32 49 Devin Harris, DAL 34 30.9 .472 .820 .581 26.7 12.1 21.8 1.6 7.5 4.7 18.29 50 Joakim Noah, CHI 28 12.6 .454 .717 .524 14.7 11.6 16.8 13.3 16.8 15.0 18.27 Hollinger Stats: Player Efficiency Rating - All Positions RNK Player GP Min FG% FT% TS% Ast TO Usg ORR DRR RebR PER 51 Josh Childress, ATL 29 30.4 .594 .865 .669 11.1 11.4 14.8 8.0 11.9 10.0 18.23 52 Ronnie Brewer, UTH 39 29.4 .538 .763 .601 15.9 7.6 16.1 5.0 6.6 5.8 18.17 53 Chris Kaman, LAC 34 39.3 .473 .746 .528 9.2 14.2 20.6 8.8 30.3 19.5 18.09 54 Zydrunas Ilgauskas, CLE 38 30.3 .465 .838 .517 7.7 11.4 19.9 12.7 23.7 18.0 17.96 55 James Jones, POR 25 22.8 .503 .897 .720 9.5 8.1 14.4 3.9 11.1 7.6 17.92 56 Luol Deng, CHI 30 34.7 .477 .780 .522 10.1 9.8 23.3 7.4 14.6 10.8 17.89 57 Corey Maggette, LAC 29 34.7 .442 .808 .567 11.6 12.5 24.5 4.3 15.0 9.6 17.87 58 Grant Hill, PHO 34 33.9 .507 .875 .591 19.0 8.4 18.2 3.5 10.9 7.4 17.81 59 John Salmons, SAC 36 36.5 .514 .828 .597 16.4 13.0 19.8 3.7 12.3 8.0 17.76 60 Joe Smith, CHI 35 21.8 .465 .813 .507 7.2 7.2 21.1 10.6 16.3 13.2 17.76 61 Mike Dunleavy, IND 39 33.8 .496 .839 .609 16.3 11.6 19.5 3.0 15.8 9.2 17.76 62 Chris Wilcox, SEA 32 28.0 .523 .703 .561 6.8 10.7 18.7 9.1 19.3 14.2 17.69 63 Jason Maxiell, DET 39 23.2 .545 .682 .598 7.7 10.5 15.6 11.7 16.8 14.2 17.61 64 Leandro Barbosa, PHO 38 30.1 .459 .765 .565 14.5 7.7 22.2 1.6 8.3 5.1 17.51 65 Brent Barry, SAS 24 19.2 .500 .938 .671 23.5 8.0 15.3 2.6 10.1 6.3 17.50 66 Andre Miller, PHI 39 36.1 .486 .750 .527 25.8 11.1 22.8 4.1 8.8 6.5 17.46 67 Emeka Okafor, CHA 37 33.9 .520 .545 .538 4.7 12.3 16.9 11.9 23.8 17.8 17.44 68 Rudy Gay, MEM 38 36.8 .468 .765 .552 8.7 9.6 21.5 5.4 12.0 8.8 17.42 69 Nazr Mohammed, CHA 37 17.3 .537 .539 .547 7.6 13.3 15.7 15.2 22.8 19.0 17.37 70 Jason Richardson, CHA 37 37.4 .438 .701 .543 12.9 9.1 23.2 3.1 13.6 8.4 17.36 71 Mo Williams, MIL 37 37.5 .474 .857 .555 27.1 11.6 22.2 1.9 9.6 5.7 17.27 72 Andrei Kirilenko, UTH 35 33.9 .478 .794 .572 28.3 13.9 16.4 7.1 13.7 10.4 17.23 73 Samuel Dalembert, PHI 39 33.0 .535 .734 .582 4.1 15.1 14.9 12.4 23.5 17.9 17.21 74 Ron Artest, SAC 19 40.3 .442 .670 .524 16.7 12.0 22.3 4.1 13.6 8.9 17.20 75 Nate Robinson, NYK 34 21.8 .432 .729 .550 15.5 8.5 22.6 4.0 11.1 7.5 17.14 76 Zach Randolph, NYK 33 31.9 .455 .723 .501 8.3 13.7 26.0 10.3 26.9 18.4 17.07 77 Al Harrington, GSW 38 27.5 .459 .761 .573 10.5 7.3 19.7 4.4 16.5 10.2 16.98 78 David Lee, NYK 37 26.6 .523 .783 .579 9.4 11.4 14.9 11.2 23.9 17.4 16.97 79 Rasheed Wallace, DET 37 31.5 .428 .803 .517 12.1 8.1 18.9 4.2 22.9 13.6 16.95 80 Louis Williams, PHI 37 22.3 .412 .769 .512 21.5 10.6 24.8 2.1 8.0 5.0 16.92 81 Joe Johnson, ATL 34 41.0 .417 .855 .525 18.6 9.5 25.4 2.6 8.9 5.8 16.92 82 Jason Kidd, NJN 36 37.5 .361 .824 .476 40.0 14.1 21.1 4.0 24.2 13.9 16.90 83 Sam Cassell, LAC 22 24.4 .430 .894 .519 24.2 9.7 24.3 1.4 11.0 6.2 16.85 84 Monta Ellis, GSW 38 35.5 .506 .766 .561 16.2 8.9 19.1 3.9 8.9 6.3 16.84 85 Derek Fisher, LAL 37 26.9 .479 .862 .597 22.7 7.8 17.9 1.5 7.4 4.6 16.83 86 Jordan Farmar, LAL 37 20.5 .484 .614 .591 22.6 12.2 19.2 2.6 9.6 6.3 16.77 87 Andrew Bogut, MIL 38 33.7 .531 .563 .545 14.0 12.8 17.8 9.6 22.7 16.0 16.76 88 Marvin Williams, ATL 33 35.6 .484 .795 .570 11.0 9.3 18.8 4.4 14.0 9.2 16.73 89 Erick Dampier, DAL 30 22.0 .670 .644 .684 14.5 16.2 9.7 14.1 21.5 18.0 16.72 90 Kris Humphries, TOR 35 15.2 .492 .629 .524 6.9 11.5 19.3 12.2 21.6 16.8 16.66 91 Paul Millsap, UTH 39 20.9 .523 .644 .565 8.5 10.7 16.5 11.7 21.4 16.5 16.60 92 Craig Smith, MIN 36 22.0 .546 .697 .582 3.4 11.6 19.2 9.1 16.7 12.7 16.58 93 Gilbert Arenas, WAS 8 39.5 .390 .753 .512 18.0 14.9 29.7 0.7 12.1 6.4 16.53 94 Sean Williams, NJN 32 20.9 .534 .671 .576 6.4 15.1 14.7 11.3 19.1 15.1 16.52 95 Trevor Ariza, LAL 34 15.6 .519 .653 .579 18.3 10.0 14.3 5.9 14.2 10.3 16.45 96 Eddy Curry, NYK 36 27.7 .541 .568 .559 3.6 13.4 22.1 9.0 13.0 11.0 16.39 97 Hakim Warrick, MEM 31 14.0 .517 .667 .560 4.3 9.4 20.4 8.5 14.1 11.3 16.38 98 Glen Davis, BOS 28 12.3 .519 .701 .595 3.7 15.0 15.5 17.2 12.9 14.9 16.36 99 Brad Miller, SAC 35 36.0 .444 .862 .536 18.3 12.6 18.2 8.4 20.9 14.7 16.34 100 Nick Collison, SEA 34 27.5 .500 .776 .538 14.1 11.9 15.0 12.2 22.7 17.5 16.31 Hollinger Stats: Player Efficiency Rating - All Positions RNK Player GP Min FG% FT% TS% Ast TO Usg ORR DRR RebR PER 101 Travis Outlaw, POR 37 26.1 .437 .695 .496 9.6 8.4 22.3 5.7 17.0 11.6 16.29 102 Hedo Turkoglu, ORL 40 37.8 .426 .832 .549 17.3 11.8 22.1 3.4 14.9 9.3 16.24 103 Alonzo Mourning, MIA 24 16.1 .538 .595 .573 4.4 15.9 16.1 10.6 18.0 14.3 16.18 104 Jermaine O'Neal, IND 32 32.1 .444 .754 .492 12.4 11.8 22.8 7.5 17.5 12.4 16.11 105 Rashard Lewis, ORL 39 39.1 .443 .846 .578 12.0 9.0 19.0 3.4 11.1 7.3 15.92 106 Matt Harpring, UTH 33 15.9 .495 .765 .557 9.6 11.7 20.4 10.3 14.5 12.4 15.90 107 Stromile Swift, MEM 30 16.7 .509 .650 .550 8.3 14.6 18.8 9.4 16.8 13.2 15.90 108 Ray Allen, BOS 33 38.0 .412 .921 .553 14.7 8.2 20.1 4.1 8.2 6.3 15.86 109 Mike Miller, MEM 38 38.1 .517 .819 .642 20.6 14.7 17.3 2.1 18.2 10.3 15.84 110 Luis Scola, HOU 39 20.2 .523 .652 .546 12.1 11.8 18.1 10.8 18.1 14.5 15.83 111 Wally Szczerbiak, SEA 37 22.7 .453 .828 .572 9.6 7.4 20.9 1.2 10.0 5.6 15.81 112 Fabricio Oberto, SAS 36 20.7 .625 .563 .626 21.0 7.2 10.1 12.4 20.5 16.4 15.79 113 J.R. Smith, DEN 29 18.4 .432 .794 .590 14.5 14.2 22.1 3.4 7.9 5.7 15.69 114 Francisco Garcia, SAC 36 29.3 .446 .795 .560 9.7 11.8 20.2 3.7 12.4 8.1 15.58 115 Thaddeus Young, PHI 31 13.3 .500 .667 .522 5.2 15.5 18.4 11.9 14.8 13.3 15.45 116 Sasha Vujacic, LAL 27 12.5 .433 .911 .587 15.4 7.7 18.4 1.0 10.7 6.1 15.43 117 Antonio McDyess, DET 36 30.6 .510 .658 .534 11.5 8.7 15.0 8.9 23.4 16.2 15.41 118 Andres Nocioni, CHI 36 25.0 .427 .772 .541 8.2 10.5 23.8 3.0 19.5 10.7 15.40 119 Kurt Thomas, SEA 27 25.6 .476 .667 .499 15.0 8.3 12.0 10.9 29.7 20.4 15.38 120 Ronny Turiaf, LAL 33 16.3 .500 .756 .572 16.0 12.0 15.8 6.2 15.5 11.2 15.31 121 C.J. Miles, UTH 28 13.0 .496 .793 .602 15.6 10.0 17.4 2.7 13.0 7.8 15.31 122 Kevin Durant, SEA 36 33.3 .399 .864 .500 8.5 11.8 26.9 2.0 11.5 6.8 15.18 123 Brandon Bass, DAL 36 20.3 .464 .863 .546 8.2 11.3 17.4 9.5 16.5 13.2 15.10 124 Jamal Crawford, NYK 36 40.8 .416 .868 .530 17.7 11.0 22.6 1.5 7.1 4.2 15.05 125 Antonio Daniels, WAS 29 31.3 .481 .818 .585 36.5 11.0 14.2 1.3 10.7 6.0 15.05 126 Dorell Wright, MIA 23 22.7 .496 .742 .532 14.6 6.0 13.0 4.6 19.8 12.2 15.04 127 Mike Conley, MEM 14 24.8 .455 .686 .538 31.5 12.3 18.1 2.7 8.4 5.6 15.04 128 Tayshaun Prince, DET 39 33.1 .444 .773 .515 17.9 6.7 18.5 4.2 13.1 8.7 14.98 129 Anderson Varejao, CLE 17 29.2 .509 .674 .548 12.2 10.4 12.3 10.7 23.1 16.6 14.83 130 Danny Granger, IND 39 34.1 .445 .796 .561 9.6 11.8 19.5 3.9 14.9 9.3 14.82 131 Jeff Foster, IND 36 22.6 .509 .608 .530 19.4 7.8 10.8 14.0 25.2 19.5 14.79 132 Andray Blatche, WAS 37 18.7 .452 .712 .498 11.0 15.6 17.8 11.8 17.3 14.5 14.69 133 Channing Frye, POR 34 18.1 .498 .806 .527 12.2 10.1 17.9 9.6 19.8 14.9 14.66 134 Eddie House, BOS 35 19.9 .421 .900 .561 17.0 8.9 17.5 1.8 11.7 7.1 14.58 135 Stephon Marbury, NYK 24 33.6 .419 .716 .527 23.7 10.1 20.3 2.4 6.2 4.3 14.56 136 Linas Kleiza, DEN 35 22.7 .467 .757 .570 11.4 9.7 17.4 5.7 13.6 9.7 14.53 137 Stephen Jackson, GSW 32 39.4 .401 .794 .516 14.3 11.5 23.3 2.9 10.1 6.3 14.43 138 Peja Stojakovic, NOR 32 32.5 .420 .936 .551 7.6 4.9 17.8 2.3 10.9 6.4 14.41 139 Kenyon Martin, DEN 29 26.1 .496 .566 .514 8.9 10.9 15.6 5.4 18.8 12.2 14.35 140 Jameer Nelson, ORL 38 30.0 .457 .802 .534 31.4 13.1 19.5 1.8 12.7 7.4 14.34 141 Anthony Parker, TOR 38 30.4 .457 .800 .568 14.4 6.0 15.6 1.7 13.4 7.4 14.33 142 Ben Gordon, CHI 36 35.1 .413 .919 .515 11.9 9.9 24.6 2.3 9.9 5.9 14.33 143 Shawne Williams, IND 32 17.0 .481 .703 .585 10.8 13.0 17.8 5.8 12.8 9.2 14.29 144 Rashad McCants, MIN 33 27.6 .438 .763 .543 12.0 13.5 24.6 3.3 9.3 6.2 14.28 145 Marquis Daniels, IND 34 20.5 .469 .684 .520 17.4 13.0 20.2 4.2 9.7 6.9 14.14 146 Ryan Gomes, MIN 37 26.8 .431 .832 .529 10.3 10.7 17.9 6.3 16.1 11.0 14.11 147 Tyrus Thomas, CHI 31 16.5 .404 .677 .454 13.5 12.0 19.1 9.0 21.9 15.1 14.04 148 Matt Bonner, SAS 34 17.0 .429 1.000 .554 8.5 11.3 17.5 9.0 19.2 14.0 14.02 149 Kelenna Azubuike, GSW 39 24.9 .450 .700 .542 11.0 7.7 16.3 6.6 12.7 9.6 13.99 150 Bonzi Wells, HOU 37 23.4 .413 .629 .467 10.2 11.8 22.0 7.2 18.9 13.1 13.94 Hollinger Stats: Player Efficiency Rating - All Positions RNK Player GP Min FG% FT% TS% Ast TO Usg ORR DRR RebR PER 151 Troy Murphy, IND 34 26.1 .409 .811 .527 15.5 9.6 16.7 5.4 23.7 14.3 13.92 152 Antoine Walker, MIN 31 19.9 .382 .563 .479 8.4 8.9 22.7 7.9 14.7 11.2 13.86 153 Jamaal Tinsley, IND 33 34.5 .385 .719 .463 32.0 13.5 22.7 2.1 10.5 6.2 13.78 154 Ronald Murray, DET 19 18.2 .410 .595 .457 25.6 12.4 25.3 4.5 7.9 6.2 13.78 155 Carlos Arroyo, ORL 31 18.8 .437 .804 .528 34.3 10.3 17.1 1.6 9.1 5.5 13.78 156 Josh Boone, NJN 30 20.3 .516 .305 .484 7.2 10.5 15.1 14.9 19.6 17.2 13.76 157 Lamar Odom, LAL 32 36.4 .473 .687 .532 15.5 12.3 16.2 6.0 20.9 13.9 13.74 158 Rajon Rondo, BOS 34 31.0 .487 .557 .505 31.3 10.8 16.1 3.7 11.2 7.7 13.74 159 Steve Blake, POR 36 28.2 .459 .680 .583 36.9 10.6 14.3 1.8 8.2 5.1 13.72 160 Charlie Villanueva, MIL 36 19.7 .428 .750 .504 6.2 11.2 22.1 8.7 19.5 14.0 13.57 161 Daniel Gibson, CLE 36 33.3 .468 .797 .640 19.3 11.6 14.9 1.7 7.0 4.2 13.56 162 Kyle Lowry, MEM 38 23.9 .391 .770 .525 26.4 13.4 17.7 3.4 13.1 8.3 13.55 163 Al Horford, ATL 33 31.1 .492 .643 .523 10.3 16.0 14.4 10.3 26.0 18.2 13.54 164 Raymond Felton, CHA 35 37.8 .403 .792 .505 30.0 12.1 20.6 1.1 7.3 4.2 13.46 165 Carlos Delfino, TOR 38 24.7 .399 .672 .513 13.9 7.8 17.0 3.9 18.0 10.8 13.42 166 Drew Gooden, CLE 38 32.0 .437 .728 .482 6.6 12.2 18.7 8.0 24.4 15.9 13.39 167 Udonis Haslem, MIA 36 37.2 .472 .802 .518 9.2 9.7 15.5 6.9 22.9 14.9 13.37 168 Yi Jianlian, MIL 38 27.9 .448 .793 .503 7.8 12.8 17.6 7.8 17.9 12.8 13.32 169 Jared Dudley, CHA 30 12.5 .466 .581 .500 13.5 11.7 16.1 12.7 15.3 14.0 13.23 170 Beno Udrih, SAC 30 36.3 .441 .848 .520 22.5 12.8 19.3 2.1 9.8 6.0 13.07 171 Anthony Carter, DEN 25 29.2 .486 .759 .535 38.2 12.5 14.6 1.0 10.3 5.7 13.06 172 Jerry Stackhouse, DAL 35 25.1 .386 .879 .505 18.7 10.4 20.2 3.2 8.5 5.9 13.03 173 Ricky Davis, MIA 36 36.8 .442 .779 .529 15.7 11.5 19.3 2.7 11.8 7.3 13.02 174 Juan Carlos Navarro, MEM 38 23.8 .431 .825 .576 16.5 12.8 18.7 0.9 8.8 4.9 12.93 175 Jarvis Hayes, DET 39 17.1 .433 .724 .512 8.9 6.7 18.6 3.8 14.7 9.3 12.91 176 Jamario Moon, TOR 34 29.5 .455 .656 .493 10.0 9.7 13.5 4.8 20.7 12.6 12.83 177 Keyon Dooling, ORL 36 18.6 .443 .871 .556 17.0 10.2 18.9 0.5 7.1 3.9 12.80 178 Martell Webster, POR 37 29.4 .430 .759 .556 11.7 9.6 16.7 2.6 13.3 8.1 12.79 179 Luther Head, HOU 36 20.3 .421 .821 .533 17.4 9.3 18.1 0.9 8.8 4.9 12.75 180 DeSagana Diop, DAL 38 18.0 .556 .625 .576 12.4 23.0 8.9 14.5 19.5 17.1 12.72 181 Bobby Jackson, NOR 37 19.7 .377 .837 .491 17.4 7.4 17.5 2.9 12.1 7.3 12.70 182 Rasho Nesterovic, TOR 28 17.2 .469 .625 .476 15.0 11.1 14.0 11.8 16.6 14.2 12.64 183 Willie Green, PHI 33 29.1 .430 .833 .492 12.2 9.5 21.7 2.1 9.3 5.7 12.64 184 Tim Thomas, LAC 29 32.1 .405 .823 .513 17.9 8.1 18.4 3.1 13.7 8.3 12.62 185 Jarrett Jack, POR 37 27.2 .422 .848 .554 25.2 15.5 18.9 1.5 10.3 6.0 12.59 186 Joel Przybilla, POR 37 21.1 .574 .673 .604 6.6 21.2 10.8 11.6 27.9 20.1 12.57 187 Rafer Alston, HOU 36 33.6 .403 .655 .496 27.6 11.4 18.7 0.9 9.9 5.4 12.55 188 James Posey, BOS 33 22.5 .433 .843 .600 16.7 9.9 12.9 2.2 19.5 11.4 12.54 189 Michael Finley, SAS 36 27.8 .394 .719 .501 13.6 3.9 17.5 1.9 14.7 8.3 12.54 190 Marko Jaric, MIN 32 27.7 .437 .696 .513 28.2 14.8 17.6 2.5 9.2 5.7 12.54 191 Jason Williams, MIA 29 30.8 .391 .767 .502 33.3 9.7 15.7 0.5 7.8 4.2 12.48 192 Roger Mason, WAS 35 19.2 .427 .962 .550 15.0 7.8 16.7 0.7 7.9 4.3 12.42 193 Anthony Johnson, ATL 27 27.9 .425 .773 .501 38.9 10.1 14.0 2.2 8.4 5.3 12.37 194 Mehmet Okur, UTH 31 30.3 .407 .784 .508 12.9 9.1 19.0 5.7 16.4 11.0 12.27 195 Chuck Hayes, HOU 39 22.7 .557 .273 .547 22.2 17.2 7.7 11.2 20.9 16.1 12.20 196 Morris Peterson, NOR 35 25.9 .404 .837 .541 10.4 5.8 14.7 1.9 13.0 7.3 12.19 197 Jason Kapono, TOR 38 21.5 .504 .875 .604 9.2 9.8 16.5 2.6 6.9 4.7 12.18 198 Brian Skinner, PHO 38 14.0 .480 .523 .502 6.1 13.9 12.4 9.1 22.2 16.0 12.16 199 Chris Quinn, MIA 22 18.7 .475 .778 .597 24.2 6.7 12.3 0.3 8.2 4.2 12.14 200 Damon Stoudamire, MEM 29 21.6 .397 .808 .514 30.5 13.6 18.3 2.6 10.2 6.4 12.11 Hollinger Stats: Player Efficiency Rating - All Positions RNK Player GP Min FG% FT% TS% Ast TO Usg ORR DRR RebR PER 201 Brevin Knight, LAC 31 22.9 .405 .857 .457 41.1 9.9 13.9 0.9 9.0 4.9 12.07 202 Matt Barnes, GSW 34 22.9 .400 .725 .499 22.6 14.5 16.2 6.0 17.0 11.3 12.04 203 Kendrick Perkins, BOS 35 25.0 .590 .566 .601 11.8 20.6 12.8 8.5 18.0 13.6 11.97 204 Mickael Pietrus, GSW 34 18.2 .431 .625 .548 9.3 8.0 13.5 3.7 15.1 9.2 11.95 205 Ben Wallace, CHI 34 32.9 .330 .471 .360 22.2 10.3 9.6 11.8 18.8 15.1 11.95 206 Desmond Mason, MIL 25 26.1 .473 .583 .492 15.4 10.3 15.3 5.4 12.7 9.0 11.92 207 Kirk Hinrich, CHI 35 33.7 .391 .894 .475 29.9 11.7 19.6 1.4 11.1 6.0 11.83 208 Cuttino Mobley, LAC 31 32.8 .424 .800 .511 16.7 9.6 18.1 1.7 8.6 5.1 11.82 209 Luke Ridnour, SEA 16 17.3 .402 .909 .486 31.5 12.2 18.8 1.2 6.9 4.0 11.81 210 DeShawn Stevenson, WAS 37 30.1 .387 .767 .515 22.8 9.8 15.6 2.2 9.7 5.9 11.72 211 Luke Walton, LAL 33 25.5 .454 .646 .516 25.5 13.0 15.3 4.5 10.8 7.8 11.61 212 Arron Afflalo, DET 36 11.7 .437 .846 .533 15.1 9.4 14.3 4.0 11.5 7.8 11.59 213 Daequan Cook, MIA 27 21.5 .417 .944 .528 8.7 7.6 18.2 2.7 12.4 7.6 11.56 214 Damien Wilkins, SEA 37 26.5 .398 .769 .480 15.6 10.2 18.2 3.5 9.3 6.4 11.55 215 Ryan Hollins, CHA 28 10.7 .469 .840 .558 11.9 16.7 10.5 13.2 14.0 13.6 11.53 216 Earl Watson, SEA 36 27.8 .408 .684 .468 36.0 12.3 17.7 2.0 8.2 5.1 11.48 217 Dan Dickau, LAC 25 17.0 .393 .818 .538 30.4 11.5 16.2 0.5 9.2 4.8 11.47 218 Maurice Evans, ORL 33 18.8 .411 .688 .493 11.5 7.4 15.5 4.9 5.4 5.2 11.41 219 Vladimir Radmanovic, LAL 29 19.3 .417 .788 .550 17.1 12.0 16.6 4.5 10.5 7.7 11.38 220 Bostjan Nachbar, NJN 34 22.7 .398 .742 .515 8.3 11.4 21.0 3.3 13.0 8.1 11.32 221 Ime Udoka, SAS 29 12.6 .396 .792 .506 11.1 9.8 16.3 3.2 14.1 8.6 11.31 222 Ira Newble, CLE 27 13.4 .429 .889 .526 4.9 14.6 13.3 8.4 12.4 10.4 11.28 223 Kyle Korver, UTH 32 25.4 .403 .923 .523 10.4 9.1 17.4 2.1 11.1 6.5 11.26 224 Renaldo Balkman, NYK 27 13.1 .486 .387 .479 12.1 8.4 11.4 9.6 17.9 13.7 11.23 225 Ruben Patterson, LAC 20 16.2 .453 .558 .486 11.4 18.1 16.8 8.2 13.8 11.0 11.16 226 Rodney Carney, PHI 27 13.5 .376 .656 .439 6.4 8.1 18.4 7.0 9.2 8.1 11.15 227 Adonal Foyle, ORL 40 9.5 .449 .429 .453 6.4 14.5 10.9 13.6 21.0 17.4 11.14 228 Eduardo Najera, DEN 36 22.0 .441 .643 .523 14.2 11.3 11.7 8.7 13.6 11.2 11.04 229 Shane Battier, HOU 39 35.5 .418 .714 .550 16.7 11.4 10.8 5.2 10.6 7.9 10.92 230 Tyronn Lue, ATL 19 16.9 .409 .857 .499 20.5 7.4 17.7 1.4 6.1 3.8 10.91 231 Keith Bogans, ORL 40 29.8 .422 .764 .575 10.4 7.8 12.9 2.5 10.8 6.8 10.88 232 Matt Carroll, CHA 37 22.9 .430 .782 .543 8.3 6.5 15.4 1.9 10.7 6.3 10.80 233 Fred Jones, NYK 29 23.9 .420 .696 .541 24.9 12.7 12.8 2.6 8.4 5.5 10.75 234 Sergio Rodriguez, POR 36 9.9 .388 .640 .461 33.0 15.4 20.2 1.7 9.8 5.9 10.65 235 Jason Smith, PHI 39 15.9 .437 .667 .470 4.1 11.0 15.7 8.1 16.6 12.3 10.55 236 Mike James, HOU 29 17.9 .352 .786 .444 16.7 8.5 22.1 2.2 8.3 5.3 10.51 237 Jacque Vaughn, SAS 28 16.3 .434 .750 .489 32.8 10.2 16.1 1.6 6.5 4.0 10.49 238 Malik Allen, NJN 35 17.6 .479 .889 .489 8.6 10.8 16.8 7.2 13.8 10.4 10.38 239 Mikki Moore, SAC 36 29.2 .523 .737 .564 8.1 15.0 11.8 9.1 15.4 12.3 10.38 240 Delonte West, SEA 28 21.1 .410 .618 .466 25.3 16.0 20.2 2.0 12.0 7.0 10.36 241 Francisco Elson, SAS 30 15.6 .440 .818 .475 8.7 12.8 14.4 7.3 24.5 15.9 10.30 242 Kwame Brown, LAL 16 20.5 .532 .432 .524 15.5 20.4 12.7 6.7 19.1 13.3 10.24 243 Jeff Green, SEA 37 24.8 .440 .685 .490 10.4 15.9 17.9 6.7 14.9 10.8 10.16 244 Charlie Bell, MIL 38 21.9 .352 .829 .447 29.1 9.4 16.3 2.4 12.0 7.1 10.14 245 Darius Songaila, WAS 35 18.0 .449 .964 .491 16.0 14.1 15.6 5.6 13.9 9.8 10.11 246 Raja Bell, PHO 32 33.8 .389 .903 .515 14.8 5.5 14.0 2.5 8.4 5.6 10.10 247 Tony Allen, BOS 33 17.4 .434 .714 .526 17.5 18.6 17.4 2.7 11.7 7.4 10.08 248 Juan Dixon, TOR 25 12.2 .346 .941 .420 19.5 11.3 23.0 1.9 10.4 6.1 10.01 249 Devin Brown, CLE 34 21.2 .377 .690 .456 17.3 11.4 17.0 4.8 12.6 8.6 9.86 250 Boris Diaw, PHO 38 26.9 .424 .750 .466 27.7 11.9 14.8 3.7 12.5 8.4 9.81 Hollinger Stats: Player Efficiency Rating - All Positions RNK Player GP Min FG% FT% TS% Ast TO Usg ORR DRR RebR PER 251 Nick Young, WAS 34 14.0 .398 .820 .496 8.7 13.9 23.2 2.6 8.2 5.4 9.73 252 Sebastian Telfair, MIN 36 32.4 .386 .738 .438 31.3 11.3 18.0 0.8 7.6 4.0 9.63 253 Eddie Jones, DAL 21 18.7 .403 .600 .542 32.7 10.6 10.0 1.3 13.0 7.3 9.62 254 Mark Blount, MIA 23 16.3 .487 .513 .515 6.0 15.0 17.3 4.2 16.0 10.1 9.58 255 Jannero Pargo, NOR 35 16.3 .373 .813 .432 20.3 10.7 23.4 1.6 6.1 3.7 9.58 256 Johan Petro, SEA 27 12.1 .398 .852 .457 7.6 12.5 16.0 7.3 23.1 15.2 9.52 257 Reggie Evans, PHI 39 25.8 .419 .452 .441 11.5 18.3 12.1 13.2 24.6 18.8 9.44 258 Royal Ivey, MIL 33 16.7 .407 .667 .492 23.6 13.2 15.6 3.7 7.6 5.6 9.42 259 Al Thornton, LAC 31 19.2 .411 .633 .464 5.2 10.5 19.6 5.0 13.9 9.4 9.42 260 Damon Jones, CLE 30 19.4 .417 .545 .571 21.4 9.3 12.8 0.2 5.9 2.9 9.39 261 Kareem Rush, IND 36 17.8 .391 .750 .487 11.2 8.3 17.0 1.1 8.6 4.8 9.34 262 Chris Duhon, CHI 36 22.8 .358 .733 .467 34.8 11.1 14.6 2.0 7.6 4.6 9.27 263 Andrea Bargnani, TOR 34 22.6 .385 .790 .485 8.5 11.8 20.2 3.5 14.0 8.7 9.18 264 Anfernee Hardaway, MIA 16 20.4 .367 .889 .469 31.3 11.6 11.0 1.1 11.8 6.4 9.16 265 Darko Milicic, MEM 30 24.2 .423 .462 .431 10.3 17.1 15.5 7.0 19.4 13.3 9.14 266 Melvin Ely, NOR 23 12.3 .463 .636 .503 7.8 18.0 17.6 4.7 23.1 13.6 9.09 267 Shelden Williams, ATL 29 12.5 .370 .610 .429 7.5 10.0 12.9 9.6 20.0 14.8 9.09 268 Bobby Simmons, MIL 34 22.7 .414 .706 .480 12.1 13.6 16.1 5.4 11.8 8.5 9.02 269 Andre Owens, IND 20 13.8 .343 .727 .496 21.7 11.7 14.0 3.8 6.0 4.9 8.97 270 Rasual Butler, NOR 32 20.2 .364 .765 .470 11.4 3.1 13.4 1.6 10.7 6.0 8.71 271 David Harrison, IND 27 12.9 .527 .480 .531 7.1 20.5 16.1 6.9 11.4 9.1 8.69 272 Antoine Wright, NJN 27 27.9 .399 .644 .472 14.0 8.2 14.4 4.0 9.6 6.8 8.66 273 Larry Hughes, CLE 24 27.8 .333 .860 .408 14.0 12.7 20.8 2.1 10.8 6.3 8.17 274 Jason Hart, UTH 37 12.6 .321 .828 .411 27.8 9.3 16.4 1.0 11.2 6.1 8.16 275 Quinton Ross, LAC 33 20.5 .393 .759 .449 17.4 6.1 11.0 4.4 9.7 7.0 7.89 276 Quincy Douby, SAC 35 13.4 .364 .909 .446 10.3 14.1 19.0 2.6 9.3 6.0 7.86 277 Jared Jeffries, NYK 29 15.6 .413 .476 .431 15.7 14.1 10.3 9.0 12.9 10.9 7.62 278 Greg Buckner, MIN 23 19.0 .379 .864 .479 19.8 14.6 13.6 2.0 12.3 7.0 7.50 279 Hilton Armstrong, NOR 34 11.4 .437 .641 .485 7.8 24.7 15.6 10.1 17.2 13.5 7.40 280 Bruce Bowen, SAS 36 30.8 .403 .641 .532 17.0 9.6 9.0 1.5 10.0 5.7 7.24 281 Yakhouba Diawara, DEN 26 12.6 .405 .750 .516 19.4 9.2 10.8 4.9 6.5 5.7 7.20 282 Quentin Richardson, NYK 35 28.1 .318 .600 .396 16.3 9.9 14.5 3.9 17.2 10.4 7.14 283 Darrell Armstrong, NJN 25 11.8 .373 .619 .490 31.0 18.5 13.0 1.6 8.2 4.8 7.05 284 Gordan Giricek, PHI 28 12.5 .375 .714 .439 12.0 13.1 18.0 1.6 14.7 8.1 6.98 285 Corey Brewer, MIN 36 23.2 .353 .696 .402 16.3 13.7 14.8 4.8 14.8 9.6 6.91 286 Thabo Sefolosha, CHI 29 11.7 .320 .684 .384 19.3 15.0 16.7 4.0 15.9 9.6 6.75 287 Acie Law, ATL 24 18.2 .369 .792 .426 26.2 15.1 17.4 1.6 5.8 3.7 6.59 288 Jarron Collins, UTH 39 12.7 .490 .610 .559 20.7 15.7 8.3 6.6 11.7 9.2 6.18 289 Jeff McInnis, CHA 36 24.5 .400 .773 .434 39.7 14.9 12.3 1.6 6.6 4.1 5.97 290 Zaza Pachulia, ATL 18 14.7 .356 .733 .417 5.0 22.0 21.1 11.8 16.5 14.2 5.96 291 Sasha Pavlovic, CLE 35 25.0 .340 .707 .414 14.1 12.1 17.3 3.1 9.2 6.0 5.81 292 Trenton Hassell, DAL 24 12.6 .451 .000 .461 21.9 8.2 8.5 2.8 6.3 4.7 4.80 293 Brian Scalabrine, BOS 27 9.5 .316 .875 .421 21.8 15.5 13.2 5.5 10.6 8.2 4.55 294 Casey Jacobsen, MEM 30 12.3 .319 .846 .444 9.3 10.3 9.6 1.6 12.4 7.1 4.24 295 Primoz Brezec, DET 33 10.6 .453 .500 .466 11.1 22.2 10.9 8.8 15.9 12.4 3.37 296 Kenny Thomas, SAC 23 12.3 .421 .000 .398 17.5 28.3 9.1 7.7 17.8 12.8 2.74 297 Jason Collins, NJN 34 17.0 .465 .286 .434 19.3 21.4 5.7 6.2 9.4 7.8 2.11 </pre>
The player's in Kidd's trade, that the nets would give up, were all PER 10 or less. It's fair. Any delta of 5 where I get the +5 is going to net me a much better team. Look at 25 or less vs. 20 or less. Look at 20 or less vs. 15 or less. It's math.
wow, I didn't know that Brendan Haywood is as good as LaMarcus Aldridge. Or that Jason Terry is as good as Paul Pierce. Or that Shaq is as good as Camby. How can you possibly justify that?
