I just read in an article on hoopshype.com that the Suns are shopping Shawn Marion and/or Amare Stoudemire and have contacted the Lakers regarding Odom, Grizz regarding Gasol, and Utah regarding Kirilenko. Marion probably would not resign with either the Grizz or the Jazz, so the Lakers are the best option, but the Suns may not be willing to help us out. I doubt the Lakers would receive Amare for JUST Odom (probably would have to give away another piece) but imagine a frontline of Amare AND Bynum. DAMN! Thoughts?
There's no way in hell the Suns would trade Amare for Odom. The only way we can get Amare, we have to give away Kobe or Bynum. The Suns hate us, why would they trade their future for an inconsistant Odom? I would absolutely love to get Marion in return for Odom. He would be a great 2nd option while Bynum is injured.
They probably contacted us to spark up the Odom for Marion talks again, there is no way Amare was mentioned for Odom...no way in hell. I'd still do Odom/filler for Marion in a heart beat. DO IT MITCH!!!
odom for marion!! GO GO GO!!!! that will give us a nice lighting quick forward who can play defense..
Phoenix doesn't need more scorers, I think that's why they're looking at Odom. I think they're looking for someone who can rebound and be a primary ball handler so they can extend Nash' career a little bit by taking the ball out of his hand somewhat. Odom is a good enough ball handler to give Nash a break from being the primary ball handler.
Man would I love to have Marion in this team just imagine how this team will play when we have Bynum at full health with Marion and Kobe, wow.I'll also try to go after Gasol.
Odom and FARMAR for Amare!!! Nash would have an able backup in sparky and farmar would just love to play in phoenix!!! That and add a few 1st rounders!!! Java, Kobe, Ariza, Amare and Bynum!!!
The Suns would prefer to trade Marion because he's going to be a free agent and he's easier to replace. They're looking for help at the 2/3 spot and another shooter. They've always been interested in Odom, but like others mentioned above these two teams wouldn't deal with one another. I think Steve Kerr is going to start shaking up the roster because he can see this is not a team who can compete for a Championship. He's been on several Championship teams and all those teams were built around defense and rebounding. The Suns are still right in the mix out West and aren't desperate to deal so Kerr will want maximum value in return. The Suns and Bulls getting a deal done seems to make the most sense. Hinrich and/or Nocioni would fit in perfectly with the Suns style and either Noah or Thomas.
At this time, I would only trade for a PF or C, not Marion. Our current starting 5: PG Derek Fisher SG Kobe SF Luke Walton PF Lamar Odom C Kwame Brown If we trade Lamar for Marion, we would HAVE to play Marion at SF. PG Derek Fisher SG Kobe SF Shawn Marion PF Ronny Turiaf C Kwame Brown Not good. If we want Marion, I'd say wait until the offseason, but honestly, I rather trade Odom for expiring contracts and go all out for Brand or try and trade for Gasol. Hey, Gasol may want to join LA so his brother and he can play together some day!
I wouldn't wait till the off season. If Marion is on the table, you pull the trigger now. not later. I'll be fine for the next eight weeks with Marion and Kobe on the floor together.
There is no way the Suns deal Marion to the Lakers. 1) They don't want to see him 4X a year when they could just send him east and see him twice. 2) The Lakers/Suns is officially a rivalry, you don't make deals with your rivals and risk the other team improving. 3) Lakers don't have what the Suns want, a cheaper version of Marion that can shoot.
From what I heard earlier, it sounds like Steve Kerr is looking to somewhat gut the team. As Shape noted, as well as what I heard earlier, it sounds like he doesn't think the Suns are good enough to win a title. I wouldn't be surprised to see Marion gone, but I think Stoudemire is there to stay. I'm willing to bet that that's who they're looking to build the team around, so I don't think they'd trade him off unless it's for Dwight Howard. As for a Odom for Marion trade, I don't know about it. With Odom, he may be inconsistent, but the thing I like about him is his ability to create. He can create for himself and others because of his versatility. However, Marion cannot do that. He lives off getting open looks and breakaway dunks. Sure he's a great rebounder and great defensive player, but I don't think the Lakers can afford to lose the versatility of Odom. And especially with Bynum out, we need all the height we can get.
I don't know Mook, I don't think Odom's very creative at all. He can't split a double team, he never takes advantage of posting up a smaller player, and when he does drive to the rim it's always to his left. He has no off-hand and that leads to his shot getting blocked, or he throws up a very awkward and difficult shot which has no chance of going in. He also doesn't finish strong and most importantly he takes nights off. I know Marion doesn't have the height Odom has, but Marion plays bigger than Odom on both ends of the court. He leads the league in dunks which tells me he finishes strong. He doesn't need to create for himself because the Triangle offense is meant to create baskets by ball movement. I think it's a detriment that Lamar can create for himself because he drifts away from the offense. When the Lakers run the Triangle Lamar doesn't move around unless he has the ball in his hands. Marion doesn't create off the dribble, but he knows how to create opportunities for himself to score by slashing to the rim or making back door cuts. He's constantly moving around on the court and Nash finds him open. If he moves around in the Triangle like he does for Phoenix, Kobe, Luke, Farmar or whoever is going to find him, too. I wouldn't think twice about trading Odom for Marion. Marion is what Odom is supposed to be.
To an extent Shape, I do agree with you. But one thing you have to look at is the PG situation. I love Fish and all, but he's no Steve Nash. And quite frankly, that's why Marion gets so many good looks. Nash, as overrated as I think he is, can still set up his teammates for tons of easy shots, and Marion is a huge beneficiary of that. The other thing you have to look at is the post situation. With Stoudemire drawing doubles, someone is going to be open, and quite frequently it is Marion. Without Bynum in our post, we have no one to draw a double team, so finding someone wide open is less likely to happen. Now, if we had Bynum, I do this trade in a heartbeat. Bynum draws the double and that'd leave Marion with plenty of open opportunities. Now don't get me wrong here, I'm basically 50/50 on this trade. The one thing I do love about Marion is toughness. He crashes the boards like he's 7' and is a tenacious defender. He would also give us another good outside shooter, something we need more of with Radman hurt. I will say, I do think our defense would be much better with him out there as opposed to Odom. The other thing I'd like about Marion is you could use him to guard the opposing teams best guard, allowing Kobe to focus more on offense and having to spend less energy on the defensive side.
People say that Marion scores a lot of points because he plays with Steve Nash, who gives him a lot of great looks. Well if you look at the stats, Marion has put up similar stats in his seasons without Nash. I don't think he'll have any problem scoring the ball, plus he is a much better defender than Lamar. Personally, I am just sick and tired of Lamar Odumb. I cannot tell you how frustrated I have been with him this season. I have never really seen anyone at his age regress this way after finishing so strong last year in the playoffs. I cannot tell you how many mistakes the guy makes on the court, and the amount of easy layups he somehow bricks. He is unaccountable in crunch time because you always know he will do something stupid. If we can trade him for Marion, I will be the happiest man on earth
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Jan 17 2008, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Suns would prefer to trade Marion because he's going to be a free agent and he's easier to replace. They're looking for help at the 2/3 spot and another shooter. They've always been interested in Odom, but like others mentioned above these two teams wouldn't deal with one another. I think Steve Kerr is going to start shaking up the roster because he can see this is not a team who can compete for a Championship. He's been on several Championship teams and all those teams were built around defense and rebounding. The Suns are still right in the mix out West and aren't desperate to deal so Kerr will want maximum value in return. The Suns and Bulls getting a deal done seems to make the most sense. Hinrich and/or Nocioni would fit in perfectly with the Suns style and either Noah or Thomas.</div> Suns would never take Hinrich and Nocioni, because both are BYC, guaranteeing that the Suns would be receiving more (and both guys on longterms as well). We know Kerr likes Noah. Dantoni likes Thabo and Thomas. Nocioni and the Suns have been floated around before. I think it would be Thabo, Noc, Duhon, Thomas, and Noah for Amare, Pike, and Banks. Bulls are left with: PG-Kirk Hinrich/JamesOn Curry SG-Ben Gordon/Adrian Griffin SF-Luol Deng/Viktar Khryapa PF-Amare Stoudemire/Joe Smith C- Ben Wallace/Aaron Gray Can they afford to pass it up? Their depth in the 1-3 spots take a huge hit...but Paxson believed in Khryapa, so maybe there is something there. Griffin started on the Mavs finals team. Curry is lighting up the D-League. Maybe there will be enough there to get it done. Our big man depth is tremendous though. Suns would be loaded: PG-Steve Nash/Chris Duhon SG-Grant Hill/Leandro Barbosa/Thabo Sefolosha SF-Andres Nocioni/Raja Bell/Thabo Sefolosha PF-Shawn Marion/Tyrus Thomas C- Joakim Noah/Boris Diaw They would have a good mix of young guys and vets. If they develop Thomas to his potential (which I think they believe we aren't doing right now), he could replace everything Marion does easily. Sefolosha moves up with Bell/Hill getting older. Bulls have a core of Gordon-Deng-Amare that is all 24 or less. 8 years or so run with that team (at a dominant level) before they start to fall off. The Bulls would just have to get the right pieces around those guys (in particular, making a second trade of Hinrich for another guard).
