on a message forum? not beleiving it. I'd defintely do this tho. Shaq gives us instant credibility and he's playing well of late.
Wouldn't trade Jefferson and Sean for Shaq; I think that's sacrificing too much of our future. Giving up on Marcus is enough for me.
I actually think the Nets would have a good chance of a title shot with Shaq. Then if they could manage a trade involving any of these Magloire, 1st round pick, Boki or Wright and cash, and get a decent starting SF they would be set. Maybe Magloire + Boki+ 1st rounder for Mike Miller. Gives Memphis cap relief, a pick, and a fairly young player. PG: Kidd SG: Vince SF: Mike Miller/Wright PF: Sean Williams/Krstic C: Shaq/Boone That would be a tough matchup for Boston (who lacks big men depth), and Shaq will get Perkins/Scott Pollard into foul trouble.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 19 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I know, Diesel loves VC.I think Shaq can still be dominant, make that happen Thorn. </div> I agree... lets face it we aren't going to get anywhere with our current lineup and marcus still needs a lot of conditioning looking at his defense. A lot of teams have point guards that can just blow by him. Getting Shaq would change the look of our lineup completely and we'd be more recognized as a half court set team rather than a little of both. At least it gives us more of an identity to the way we'll play. We always wanted that dominant big man... and here's our chance.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>on a message forum? not beleiving it. I'd defintely do this tho. Shaq gives us instant credibility and he's playing well of late.</div> What does "instant credibility" mean? Does it mean wins? Does it mean even rebounds? In the last month, Boone has outrebounded Shaq and in their face to face, he outplayed the big fella. If Shaq had only one year beyond this, I would consider it, but in two years, assuming a Kidd extension, you would finish the season with a 37-year-old point guard, a 38-year-old center, a 33-year-old shooting guard making a total of $48 million. NO GM in his right mind, not even one who drafted Skita and Nene over Amare, and then gave KMart and Nene $150 million, is going to do that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 19 2008, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>[ What does "instant credibility" mean? Does it mean wins? Does it mean even rebounds? In the last month, Boone has outrebounded Shaq and in their face to face, he outplayed the big fella. If Shaq had only one year beyond this, I would consider it, but in two years, assuming a Kidd extension, you would finish the season with a 37-year-old point guard, a 38-year-old center, a 33-year-old shooting guard making a total of $48 million. NO GM in his right mind, not even one who drafted Skita and Nene over Amare, and then gave KMart and Nene $150 million, is going to do that.</div> Um... Babcock, Isiah... oh yeah my bad you said "GM" not "idiot who just because he wears a suit thinks he's a genius" My bad, a common misconception on my part... hahahaha
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 19 2008, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>on a message forum? not beleiving it. I'd defintely do this tho. Shaq gives us instant credibility and he's playing well of late.</div> What does "instant credibility" mean? Does it mean wins? Does it mean even rebounds? In the last month, Boone has outrebounded Shaq and in their face to face, he outplayed the big fella. If Shaq had only one year beyond this, I would consider it, but in two years, assuming a Kidd extension, you would finish the season with a 37-year-old point guard, a 38-year-old center, a 33-year-old shooting guard making a total of $48 million. NO GM in his right mind, not even one who drafted Skita and Nene over Amare, and then gave KMart and Nene $150 million, is going to do that. </div> Stop puttin' Shaq and boone in the same sentence.
Carter, Magloire, Collins, and Marcus for Shaq, Dorell, and Smush. Gives Riley some cap relief (Magloire), help for Wade (Carter), a PG for the future (Marcus), and an expiring contract to trade over the summer (Collins). Nets keep some youth (Jefferson & Dorell), have another option at PG (Parker), and get the big fella. This is a nice lineup: PG: Kidd, Parker, Armstrong SG: Dorell, Antoine SF: Jefferson, Nachbar PF: Boone, Williams, Allen C: Shaq, Krstic Little thin at SG, but we are now too. Still athletic which works to Kidd's strength and now the half court game centers around Shaq down low instead of Carter from 35 feet away.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter, Magloire, Collins, and Marcus for Shaq, Dorell, and Smush. Gives Riley some cap relief (Magloire), help for Wade (Carter), a PG for the future (Marcus), and an expiring contract to trade over the summer (Collins). Nets keep some youth (Jefferson & Dorell), have another option at PG (Parker), and get the big fella. This is a nice lineup: PG: Kidd, Parker, Armstrong SG: Dorell, Antoine SF: Jefferson, Nachbar PF: Boone, Williams, Allen C: Shaq, Krstic Little thin at SG, but we are now too. Still athletic which works to Kidd's strength and now the half court game centers around Shaq down low instead of Carter from 35 feet away.</div> That trade I like more than the Sean Williams trade but why on earth would Reilly do this trade without a first rounder? I mean one could argue that Parker and Dorell are better players than Magloire and Collins. Honestly if Shaq comes to the nets (which I doubt will ever happen. Its at about the same odds as me starting at sg for the 2009-2010 season) we will get raped in the Trade. Fact.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Jan 19 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter, Magloire, Collins, and Marcus for Shaq, Dorell, and Smush. Gives Riley some cap relief (Magloire), help for Wade (Carter), a PG for the future (Marcus), and an expiring contract to trade over the summer (Collins). Nets keep some youth (Jefferson & Dorell), have another option at PG (Parker), and get the big fella. This is a nice lineup: PG: Kidd, Parker, Armstrong SG: Dorell, Antoine SF: Jefferson, Nachbar PF: Boone, Williams, Allen C: Shaq, Krstic Little thin at SG, but we are now too. Still athletic which works to Kidd's strength and now the half court game centers around Shaq down low instead of Carter from 35 feet away.</div> That trade I like more than the Sean Williams trade but why on earth would Reilly do this trade without a first rounder? I mean one could argue that Parker and Dorell are better players than Magloire and Collins. Honestly if Shaq comes to the nets (which I doubt will ever happen. Its at about the same odds as me starting at sg for the 2009-2010 season) we will get raped in the Trade. Fact. </div> Carter and Marcus are the 2 main pieces for Miami. Everything else is filler. They are dying to get rid of Smush (hasn't played for them since November and is out for personal reasons) and for us he would be another option instead of just Darrell. Dorell isn't doing much for them either (6 ppg) and is a free agent in the summer. Wish he shot the ball better from 3 pt range. Main reason we take him is to avoid having just Antoine at the 2 guard spot. There is a lot of risky salary to take on for an older player showing signs of breaking down. And if we were to do it Thorn would be doing the raping. It's the only way he makes trades. Nets would also be far enough under the luxury tax to take a shot with Alan Houston for the vets min, if he can play.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Jan 19 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter, Magloire, Collins, and Marcus for Shaq, Dorell, and Smush. Gives Riley some cap relief (Magloire), help for Wade (Carter), a PG for the future (Marcus), and an expiring contract to trade over the summer (Collins). Nets keep some youth (Jefferson & Dorell), have another option at PG (Parker), and get the big fella. This is a nice lineup: PG: Kidd, Parker, Armstrong SG: Dorell, Antoine SF: Jefferson, Nachbar PF: Boone, Williams, Allen C: Shaq, Krstic Little thin at SG, but we are now too. Still athletic which works to Kidd's strength and now the half court game centers around Shaq down low instead of Carter from 35 feet away.</div> That trade I like more than the Sean Williams trade but why on earth would Reilly do this trade without a first rounder? I mean one could argue that Parker and Dorell are better players than Magloire and Collins. Honestly if Shaq comes to the nets (which I doubt will ever happen. Its at about the same odds as me starting at sg for the 2009-2010 season) we will get raped in the Trade. Fact. </div> Carter and Marcus are the 2 main pieces for Miami. Everything else is filler. They are dying to get rid of Smush (hasn't played for them since November and is out for personal reasons) and for us he would be another option instead of just Darrell. Dorell isn't doing much for them either (6 ppg) and is a free agent in the summer. Wish he shot the ball better from 3 pt range. Main reason we take him is to avoid having just Antoine at the 2 guard spot. There is a lot of risky salary to take on for an older player showing signs of breaking down. And if we were to do it Thorn would be doing the raping. It's the only way he makes trades. Nets would also be far enough under the luxury tax to take a shot with Alan Houston for the vets min, if he can play. </div> Why would the Heat trade for Vince? They already have Wade and Davis,and this BIG 3(Kidd,VC,and Shaq) would be better than this(Kidd,Shaq and RJ).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 19 2008, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Jan 19 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter, Magloire, Collins, and Marcus for Shaq, Dorell, and Smush. Gives Riley some cap relief (Magloire), help for Wade (Carter), a PG for the future (Marcus), and an expiring contract to trade over the summer (Collins). Nets keep some youth (Jefferson & Dorell), have another option at PG (Parker), and get the big fella. This is a nice lineup: PG: Kidd, Parker, Armstrong SG: Dorell, Antoine SF: Jefferson, Nachbar PF: Boone, Williams, Allen C: Shaq, Krstic Little thin at SG, but we are now too. Still athletic which works to Kidd's strength and now the half court game centers around Shaq down low instead of Carter from 35 feet away.</div> That trade I like more than the Sean Williams trade but why on earth would Reilly do this trade without a first rounder? I mean one could argue that Parker and Dorell are better players than Magloire and Collins. Honestly if Shaq comes to the nets (which I doubt will ever happen. Its at about the same odds as me starting at sg for the 2009-2010 season) we will get raped in the Trade. Fact. </div> Carter and Marcus are the 2 main pieces for Miami. Everything else is filler. They are dying to get rid of Smush (hasn't played for them since November and is out for personal reasons) and for us he would be another option instead of just Darrell. Dorell isn't doing much for them either (6 ppg) and is a free agent in the summer. Wish he shot the ball better from 3 pt range. Main reason we take him is to avoid having just Antoine at the 2 guard spot. There is a lot of risky salary to take on for an older player showing signs of breaking down. And if we were to do it Thorn would be doing the raping. It's the only way he makes trades. Nets would also be far enough under the luxury tax to take a shot with Alan Houston for the vets min, if he can play. </div> Why would the Heat trade for Vince? They already have Wade and Davis,and this BIG 3(Kidd,VC,and Shaq) would be better than this(Kidd,Shaq and RJ). </div> Can't compare Ricky Davis to Carter. Carter is $7mm cheaper and younger than Shaq. Takes pressure off Wade and they get a PG in Marcus. And no way is Shaq, Carter, Kidd better than Shaq, RJ, Kidd. Kidd would be a waste on that team and it's about the surrounding players. We all know Kidd is at his best in the open court because he is not a great shooter. With Jefferson, Boone, Sean and Wright in the lineup he can still run. When they go halfcourt you have Shaq instead of Carter, which opens up the perimeter for players like Nachbar, Allen and Krstic. Plenty of different players to bring balance and you still have some youth so your not leveraging all your future on 3 guys in their 30s. Only draw back is you need another 2 guard shooter.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I honestly think we're fine with Boone and Sean. we can keep mags, but we need to get rid of allen, collins, and maybe boki or twan to pick up a sharpshooter/possible big man not named Shaq or something.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 19 2008, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>on a message forum? not beleiving it. I'd defintely do this tho. Shaq gives us instant credibility and he's playing well of late.</div> What does "instant credibility" mean? Does it mean wins? Does it mean even rebounds? In the last month, Boone has outrebounded Shaq and in their face to face, he outplayed the big fella. If Shaq had only one year beyond this, I would consider it, but in two years, assuming a Kidd extension, you would finish the season with a 37-year-old point guard, a 38-year-old center, a 33-year-old shooting guard making a total of $48 million. NO GM in his right mind, not even one who drafted Skita and Nene over Amare, and then gave KMart and Nene $150 million, is going to do that. </div> For the second time, Kiki was fired before Nene agreed to a contract extension.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 19 2008, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Jan 19 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter, Magloire, Collins, and Marcus for Shaq, Dorell, and Smush. Gives Riley some cap relief (Magloire), help for Wade (Carter), a PG for the future (Marcus), and an expiring contract to trade over the summer (Collins). Nets keep some youth (Jefferson & Dorell), have another option at PG (Parker), and get the big fella. This is a nice lineup: PG: Kidd, Parker, Armstrong SG: Dorell, Antoine SF: Jefferson, Nachbar PF: Boone, Williams, Allen C: Shaq, Krstic Little thin at SG, but we are now too. Still athletic which works to Kidd's strength and now the half court game centers around Shaq down low instead of Carter from 35 feet away.</div> That trade I like more than the Sean Williams trade but why on earth would Reilly do this trade without a first rounder? I mean one could argue that Parker and Dorell are better players than Magloire and Collins. Honestly if Shaq comes to the nets (which I doubt will ever happen. Its at about the same odds as me starting at sg for the 2009-2010 season) we will get raped in the Trade. Fact. </div> Carter and Marcus are the 2 main pieces for Miami. Everything else is filler. They are dying to get rid of Smush (hasn't played for them since November and is out for personal reasons) and for us he would be another option instead of just Darrell. Dorell isn't doing much for them either (6 ppg) and is a free agent in the summer. Wish he shot the ball better from 3 pt range. Main reason we take him is to avoid having just Antoine at the 2 guard spot. There is a lot of risky salary to take on for an older player showing signs of breaking down. And if we were to do it Thorn would be doing the raping. It's the only way he makes trades. Nets would also be far enough under the luxury tax to take a shot with Alan Houston for the vets min, if he can play. </div> Why would the Heat trade for Vince? They already have Wade and Davis,and this BIG 3(Kidd,VC,and Shaq) would be better than this(Kidd,Shaq and RJ). </div> Can't compare Ricky Davis to Carter. Carter is $7mm cheaper and younger than Shaq. Takes pressure off Wade and they get a PG in Marcus. And no way is Shaq, Carter, Kidd better than Shaq, RJ, Kidd. Kidd would be a waste on that team and it's about the surrounding players. We all know Kidd is at his best in the open court because he is not a great shooter. With Jefferson, Boone, Sean and Wright in the lineup he can still run. When they go halfcourt you have Shaq instead of Carter, which opens up the perimeter for players like Nachbar, Allen and Krstic. Plenty of different players to bring balance and you still have some youth so your not leveraging all your future on 3 guys in their 30s. Only draw back is you need another 2 guard shooter. </div> Im not comparin' Davis and Carter.If the Heat do this trade,its to get under the luxury tax,and rebuild around Wade.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Denny Crane @ Jan 19 2008, 12:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over. <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%">New Jersey Nets </span>Incoming Players <span style="color:#ff0000">Shaquille O'Neal</span> Salary: $20,000,000 Years Remaining: 3 PTS: 14.5 REB: 8.0 AST: 1.4 PER: 18.91 Outgoing Players: Richard Jefferson, Sean Williams, Jamaal Magloire <span style="font-size:14pt;line-height:100%">Miami Heat </span>Incoming Players <span style="color:#ff0000">Richard Jefferson</span> Salary: $12,200,000 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 23.9 REB: 4.3 AST: 2.8 PER: 18.44 <span style="color:#ff0000">Sean Williams</span> Salary: $1,416,600 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 7.4 REB: 5.3 AST: 0.5 PER: 16.86 <span style="color:#ff0000">Jamaal Magloire</span> Salary: $4,000,000 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 1.9 REB: 3.6 AST: 0.3 PER: 2.05 Outgoing Players: Shaquille O'Neal</div> OH HELL NO......as much as I would want Shaq here and Mags being sent away I'm not giving them Sean Williams, and If Miami takes any Williams and RJ for Shaq he better come w/ atleast a # 1 draft pick for 07' why are you doing Riley a favor here ? ...for that just deal w/ the Clippers for Elton Brand
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Jan 19 2008, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>on a message forum? not beleiving it. I'd defintely do this tho. Shaq gives us instant credibility and he's playing well of late.</div> What does "instant credibility" mean? Does it mean wins? Does it mean even rebounds? In the last month, Boone has outrebounded Shaq and in their face to face, he outplayed the big fella. If Shaq had only one year beyond this, I would consider it, but in two years, assuming a Kidd extension, you would finish the season with a 37-year-old point guard, a 38-year-old center, a 33-year-old shooting guard making a total of $48 million. NO GM in his right mind, not even one who drafted Skita and Nene over Amare, and then gave KMart and Nene $150 million, is going to do that. </div> pretty obvious, nobody knows who Boone is, Shaq will get playoff calls and the treatment. to want Boone over Shaq is just....insane, even for nets fans
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jan 19 2008, 03:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not sure how I feel about this. I honestly think we're fine with Boone and Sean. we can keep mags, but we need to get rid of allen, collins, and maybe boki or twan to pick up a sharpshooter/possible big man not named Shaq or something.</div> sean and boone is so damn redundant. they are both shotblockers and rebounders but neither have any offensive game. the nets offense sux, even with them in the lineup because neither can make a shot 10 ft away. Shaq is a major upgrade
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 19 2008, 03:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Jan 19 2008, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Carter, Magloire, Collins, and Marcus for Shaq, Dorell, and Smush. Gives Riley some cap relief (Magloire), help for Wade (Carter), a PG for the future (Marcus), and an expiring contract to trade over the summer (Collins). Nets keep some youth (Jefferson & Dorell), have another option at PG (Parker), and get the big fella. This is a nice lineup: PG: Kidd, Parker, Armstrong SG: Dorell, Antoine SF: Jefferson, Nachbar PF: Boone, Williams, Allen C: Shaq, Krstic Little thin at SG, but we are now too. Still athletic which works to Kidd's strength and now the half court game centers around Shaq down low instead of Carter from 35 feet away.</div> That trade I like more than the Sean Williams trade but why on earth would Reilly do this trade without a first rounder? I mean one could argue that Parker and Dorell are better players than Magloire and Collins. Honestly if Shaq comes to the nets (which I doubt will ever happen. Its at about the same odds as me starting at sg for the 2009-2010 season) we will get raped in the Trade. Fact. </div> Carter and Marcus are the 2 main pieces for Miami. Everything else is filler. They are dying to get rid of Smush (hasn't played for them since November and is out for personal reasons) and for us he would be another option instead of just Darrell. Dorell isn't doing much for them either (6 ppg) and is a free agent in the summer. Wish he shot the ball better from 3 pt range. Main reason we take him is to avoid having just Antoine at the 2 guard spot. There is a lot of risky salary to take on for an older player showing signs of breaking down. And if we were to do it Thorn would be doing the raping. It's the only way he makes trades. Nets would also be far enough under the luxury tax to take a shot with Alan Houston for the vets min, if he can play. </div> Why would the Heat trade for Vince? They already have Wade and Davis,and this BIG 3(Kidd,VC,and Shaq) would be better than this(Kidd,Shaq and RJ). </div> Can't compare Ricky Davis to Carter. Carter is $7mm cheaper and younger than Shaq. Takes pressure off Wade and they get a PG in Marcus. And no way is Shaq, Carter, Kidd better than Shaq, RJ, Kidd. Kidd would be a waste on that team and it's about the surrounding players. We all know Kidd is at his best in the open court because he is not a great shooter. With Jefferson, Boone, Sean and Wright in the lineup he can still run. When they go halfcourt you have Shaq instead of Carter, which opens up the perimeter for players like Nachbar, Allen and Krstic. Plenty of different players to bring balance and you still have some youth so your not leveraging all your future on 3 guys in their 30s. Only draw back is you need another 2 guard shooter. </div> yeah, you know, because the Heat really want vince carter who has a crappy contract over the younger, cheaper RJ
