Jizzy, straight up, and if they were in the same stage of their career, and had the same contract, I'd take Shaq. But 20mil is too much for someone who can't even average double figures.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Jan 19 2008, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jizzy, straight up, and if they were in the same stage of their career, and had the same contract, I'd take Shaq. But 20mil is too much for someone who can't even average double figures.</div> he's had two 20/10 pt games in a row. shaq needs to be motivated and he's not gonna get motivated in miami where they are tanking
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Jan 19 2008, 05:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jizzy, straight up, and if they were in the same stage of their career, and had the same contract, I'd take Shaq. But 20mil is too much for someone who can't even average double figures.</div> WOW
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div> stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div> stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright. </div> Ok, so besides your wild guessing, what makes you think they're tanking this early? Plus weren't you sold on Dorrell Wright?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div> stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright. </div> Ok, so besides your wild guessing, what makes you think they're tanking this early? Plus weren't you sold on Dorrell Wright? </div> look at them play. and yes, i still like dorrel wright, you play young guys, they are gonna make mistakes but will learn but that will hurt your team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div> stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright. </div> Ok, so besides your wild guessing, what makes you think they're tanking this early? Plus weren't you sold on Dorrell Wright? </div> look at them play. and yes, i still like dorrel wright, you play young guys, they are gonna make mistakes but will learn but that will hurt your team. </div> Like, I can't believe you're actually making a case that an organization is tanking a season after ~35 games. Do you really believe that or are you just arguing for arguments sake?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div> stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright. </div> Ok, so besides your wild guessing, what makes you think they're tanking this early? Plus weren't you sold on Dorrell Wright? </div> look at them play. and yes, i still like dorrel wright, you play young guys, they are gonna make mistakes but will learn but that will hurt your team. </div> Like, I can't believe you're actually making a case that an organization is tanking a season after ~35 games. Do you really believe that or are you just arguing for arguments sake? </div> well, when i go to the heat forum, they all say they are in tank mode. they are to far behind to catch anyone.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div> stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright. </div> Ok, so besides your wild guessing, what makes you think they're tanking this early? Plus weren't you sold on Dorrell Wright? </div> look at them play. and yes, i still like dorrel wright, you play young guys, they are gonna make mistakes but will learn but that will hurt your team. </div> Like, I can't believe you're actually making a case that an organization is tanking a season after ~35 games. Do you really believe that or are you just arguing for arguments sake? </div> well, when i go to the heat forum, they all say they are in tank mode. they are to far behind to catch anyone. </div> Jizzy, the Miami Heat is not run by, or consisted of, forum members, nor are they paid on an NBA2k8 pay-scale.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And no way is Shaq, Carter, Kidd better than Shaq, RJ, Kidd. Kidd would be a waste on that team and it's about the surrounding players. We all know Kidd is at his best in the open court because he is not a great shooter. With Jefferson, Boone, Sean and Wright in the lineup he can still run. When they go halfcourt you have Shaq instead of Carter, which opens up the perimeter for players like Nachbar, Allen and Krstic. Plenty of different players to bring balance and you still have some youth so your not leveraging all your future on 3 guys in their 30s. Only draw back is you need another 2 guard shooter.</div> I disagree. With Shaq in the lineup they have a big man that draws double teams, and shoots 59%. Having two really talented swingmen is not better than having a talented swingman and a talented center.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jan 19 2008, 07:08 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 19 2008, 03:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And no way is Shaq, Carter, Kidd better than Shaq, RJ, Kidd. Kidd would be a waste on that team and it's about the surrounding players. We all know Kidd is at his best in the open court because he is not a great shooter. With Jefferson, Boone, Sean and Wright in the lineup he can still run. When they go halfcourt you have Shaq instead of Carter, which opens up the perimeter for players like Nachbar, Allen and Krstic. Plenty of different players to bring balance and you still have some youth so your not leveraging all your future on 3 guys in their 30s. Only draw back is you need another 2 guard shooter.</div> I disagree. With Shaq in the lineup they have a big man that draws double teams, and shoots 59%. Having two really talented swingmen is not better than having a talented swingman and a talented center. </div> LOL,that's not what he meant.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div> stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright. </div> Ok, so besides your wild guessing, what makes you think they're tanking this early? Plus weren't you sold on Dorrell Wright? </div> look at them play. and yes, i still like dorrel wright, you play young guys, they are gonna make mistakes but will learn but that will hurt your team. </div> Like, I can't believe you're actually making a case that an organization is tanking a season after ~35 games. Do you really believe that or are you just arguing for arguments sake? </div> 8-30 is pretty terrible. To get 41 wins they have to go 33-11 for the rest of the season. The chance of that happening seems slim. That would be winning the remaining 44 games at a rate of .750, only Boston has a win% that good up to this point. So I do think tanking is happening, either voluntarily or unvoluntarily (due to lost hope, selfish players, etc.) <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 19 2008, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL,that's not what he meant.</div> lol, you're right. oops. Well in response to him, I'd say I'd probably want Carter more over RJ, just because I think he is a more efficient scorer, has better court vision, better passer, and Shaq seems to be at least kind of friends with Carter.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jan 19 2008, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 19 2008, 06:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 19 2008, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What makes you think they're tanking? It's a bit too soon to even begin that sort of speculation</div> stop with this BS, Riley doesnt want to be coach, he told Shaq to take some extra weeks off before and he's starting to play daequen cook and wright. </div> Ok, so besides your wild guessing, what makes you think they're tanking this early? Plus weren't you sold on Dorrell Wright? </div> look at them play. and yes, i still like dorrel wright, you play young guys, they are gonna make mistakes but will learn but that will hurt your team. </div> Like, I can't believe you're actually making a case that an organization is tanking a season after ~35 games. Do you really believe that or are you just arguing for arguments sake? </div> 8-30 is pretty terrible. To get 41 wins they have to go 33-11 for the rest of the season. The chance of that happening seems slim. That would be winning the remaining 44 games at a rate of .750, only Boston has a win% that good up to this point. So I do think tanking is happening, either voluntarily or unvoluntarily (due to lost hope, selfish players, etc.) <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 19 2008, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL,that's not what he meant.</div> lol, you're right. oops. Well in response to him, I'd say I'd probably want Carter more over RJ, just because I think he is a more efficient scorer, has better court vision, better passer, and Shaq seems to be at least kind of friends with Carter. </div> Co-sign
I'm not too high on trading for Shaq. BUT Shaquille is originally from Newark. He still has family in the city. Maybe a change of scenery, and an opportunity to come home is all he needs to maybe make one final run. Riley can be a very physically demanding coach to say the least. Not exactly saying he'd return to his prime, or even be as good as he was two or three years ago, but maybe if Shaq got away from Riley it would be good for his career now and down the line. So we would have a lineup of Kidd, Carter, Wright/Boki, Boone, Shaq with a bench of Darrell, either Wright/Boki, SWat, Jamaal, Krstic, and Malik Allen.
