<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AGGiE @ Jan 23 2008, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Would you do this trade? http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/trad...p;te=&cash= We keep our young guys Boone, Williams/s. And we can compete with a lineup of: B. Wallace/ S.Williams N. Krstic/ J. Boone/ Allen Nocioni/ Boki V. Carter/ Thabo J. Kidd/ M. Williams/ Armstrong Krstic gets a protector in Wallace. Wallace can teach our young bigs to rebound and play better defense. We get a shooter in Nocioni and our offense can revolve around Carter again. We can compete with this lineup while also building for the future with our young guys. And most of our big contracts expire around the same time.</div> Bulls are entertaining this trade to free up cash to re-sign Gordon and Deng. They won't want Jefferson and Collins.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Jan 23 2008, 09:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://netsdaily.com/ noc and thabo for maglioire, boki and marcus williams. that is a steal, do it thorn!!!</div> Holy crap! Please do this before I go to bed tonight!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 23 2008, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netsfan318 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The infatuation with Marcus Williams on this board is ridiculous. He is not a good player. Period. We would be giving up 4 non contributors for a legitimate sixth man and tough as nails player. Exactly what this team needs. No brainer.</div> give me a break the kid is 22 yrs. old , you remember how Jason Kidd played at 22 yrs. old ? or Steve Nash, it's a developement process and he has shown he can absolutely run an offense and make shots , the diapers need to come off that's the only problem. LF and his stupidity in using the rotations, he took forever to figure out SW and Boone needed more minutes, it's funny AW was being used wrong, MW was riding the pine because of who ? D.A. , Armstrong isn't going to be here in the future how the hell does that make sense ... </div> Take your pick. 1. Derrick Rose 2. Jerryd Bayless 3. Darren Collison 4. DJ Augustin 5. Mario Chalmers 6. Curtis Jerrells 7. Tyrese Rice 8. Ty Lawson 9. Eric Maynor 10. Johnny Flynn </div> the rest I wouldn't put over Marcus and the highlighted certainly will not be on the board, because no way your getting these backcourt PG when that's going to be the focus in the next draft for most of the teams
I'm going on a hunger strike until this deal is completed. Just let me swallow what is currently in my mouth... OK. Starting NOW.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netsfan318 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 23 2008, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netsfan318 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The infatuation with Marcus Williams on this board is ridiculous. He is not a good player. Period. We would be giving up 4 non contributors for a legitimate sixth man and tough as nails player. Exactly what this team needs. No brainer.</div> give me a break the kid is 22 yrs. old , you remember how Jason Kidd played at 22 yrs. old ? or Steve Nash, it's a developement process and he has shown he can absolutely run an offense and make shots , the diapers need to come off that's the only problem. LF and his stupidity in using the rotations, he took forever to figure out SW and Boone needed more minutes, it's funny AW was being used wrong, MW was riding the pine because of who ? D.A. , Armstrong isn't going to be here in the future how the hell does that make sense ... </div> Take your pick. 1. Derrick Rose 2. Jerryd Bayless 3. Darren Collison 4. DJ Augustin 5. Mario Chalmers 6. Curtis Jerrells 7. Tyrese Rice 8. Ty Lawson 9. Eric Maynor 10. Johnny Flynn </div> the rest I wouldn't put over Marcus and the highlighted certainly will not be on the board, because no way your getting these backcourt PG when that's going to be the focus in the next draft for most of the teams </div> You yourself cut out half the list. That's how we got Marcus because no team wanted him that high. We can get just as good of a point gaurd in the draft.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netsfan318 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The infatuation with Marcus Williams on this board is ridiculous. He is not a good player. Period. We would be giving up 4 non contributors for a legitimate sixth man and tough as nails player. Exactly what this team needs. No brainer.</div> give me a break the kid is 22 yrs. old , you remember how Jason Kidd played at 22 yrs. old ? or Steve Nash, it's a developement process and he has shown he can absolutely run an offense and make shots , the diapers need to come off that's the only problem. LF and his stupidity in using the rotations, he took forever to figure out SW and Boone needed more minutes, it's funny AW was being used wrong, MW was riding the pine because of who ? D.A. , Armstrong isn't going to be here in the future how the hell does that make sense ... </div> Kidd was co-rookie of the year at 22 (though that's an unfair comparison) It's all about demeanor, leadership, work ethic, and BBall IQ with Williams. He's a slow developer. Will he someday be Billups? Maybe. Do the Nets have 4 more years to find out? No. Would Billups be Billups if he didn't go through 5 teams in 6 years? I think the Tinsley and Alston references are pretty acurate.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netsfan318 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 23 2008, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> Take your pick. 1. Derrick Rose 2 . Jerryd Bayless 3. Darren Collison 4. DJ Augustin 5. Mario Chalmers 6. Curtis Jerrells 7. Tyrese Rice 8. Ty Lawson 9. Eric Maynor 10. Johnny Flynn</div> the rest I wouldn't put over Marcus and the highlighted certainly will not be on the board, because no way your getting these backcourt PG when that's going to be the focus in the next draft for most of the teams </div> No Ty Lawson, Darren Collison, or DJ Augustine? Those guys are definitely better than Marcus. Hell, Johnny Flynn is better than Marcus, and he's at the bottom of that list (Haven't seen Maynor at all, so I wouldn't know about him). He can shoot better, pass better, and even defend better (which isn't saying much). Really, if this trade went through, I'd probably have to change the pants I'm not wearing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 23 2008, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netsfan318 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 23 2008, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netsfan318 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The infatuation with Marcus Williams on this board is ridiculous. He is not a good player. Period. We would be giving up 4 non contributors for a legitimate sixth man and tough as nails player. Exactly what this team needs. No brainer.</div> give me a break the kid is 22 yrs. old , you remember how Jason Kidd played at 22 yrs. old ? or Steve Nash, it's a developement process and he has shown he can absolutely run an offense and make shots , the diapers need to come off that's the only problem. LF and his stupidity in using the rotations, he took forever to figure out SW and Boone needed more minutes, it's funny AW was being used wrong, MW was riding the pine because of who ? D.A. , Armstrong isn't going to be here in the future how the hell does that make sense ... </div> Take your pick. 1. Derrick Rose 2. Jerryd Bayless 3. Darren Collison 4. DJ Augustin 5. Mario Chalmers 6. Curtis Jerrells 7. Tyrese Rice 8. Ty Lawson 9. Eric Maynor 10. Johnny Flynn </div> the rest I wouldn't put over Marcus and the highlighted certainly will not be on the board, because no way your getting these backcourt PG when that's going to be the focus in the next draft for most of the teams </div> You yourself cut out half the list. That's how we got Marcus because no team wanted him that high. We can get just as good of a point gaurd in the draft. </div> no you got him because 1/2 the NBA in the 2006 draft didn't like how he was a scrawny kid and had 14 % body fat....he is the best PG passer from that draft and can flatout shoot, when he was healthy last season no one would even think this deal. Now because MW has a few bad games and is getting inconsistant play you want to run him out. Think this 6 - 17 from 3 PT since he's returned, a zone breaker, like I said he just needs a better coach. that's what your trading
Overpaid or not, Noc is exactly the kick in the pants the Nets need now. Combine that we'd be getting Thabo in the deal, and this on surface looks to be a nice screwjob of Jim Paxson on the part of Rod Thorn.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 23 2008, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm going on a hunger strike until this deal is completed.</div> Seconded. Nocioni AND Thabo people. Come on!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Jan 23 2008, 05:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netsfan318 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrandKenyon6 @ Jan 23 2008, 05:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The infatuation with Marcus Williams on this board is ridiculous. He is not a good player. Period. We would be giving up 4 non contributors for a legitimate sixth man and tough as nails player. Exactly what this team needs. No brainer.</div> give me a break the kid is 22 yrs. old , you remember how Jason Kidd played at 22 yrs. old ? or Steve Nash, it's a developement process and he has shown he can absolutely run an offense and make shots , the diapers need to come off that's the only problem. LF and his stupidity in using the rotations, he took forever to figure out SW and Boone needed more minutes, it's funny AW was being used wrong, MW was riding the pine because of who ? D.A. , Armstrong isn't going to be here in the future how the hell does that make sense ... </div> Kidd was co-rookie of the year at 22 (though that's an unfair comparison) It's all about demeanor, leadership, work ethic, and BBall IQ with Williams. He's a slow developer. Will he someday be Billups? Maybe. Do the Nets have 4 more years to find out? No. Would Billups be Billups if he didn't go through 5 teams in 6 years? I think the Tinsley and Alston references are pretty acurate. </div> You have to be ready to do it.....Kidd was.....but he worked at being a all star, hall of fame player. I think Billups finally got his chance in Minny, then with the confidence of PT, he took off. I think that's hurting Williams right now, he's looking over his shoulder all the time, afraid to make a mistake. I think if you tell Marcus, you get 3 minutes at the end of the 1st/3rd quarters and 4 minutes at the beginning of the 2nd and 4th quarters, regardless, he will be much more productive and show more consistency. Billups didn't really take off until he got consistent PT. When you break in, under Pitino....your confidence level will be shattered after a mistake or 2.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Jan 23 2008, 06:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 23 2008, 05:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm going on a hunger strike until this deal is completed.</div> Seconded. Nocioni AND Thabo people. Come on! </div> It's been like 20 minutes and I'm starting to feel dizzy. I hope this deal goes through soon.
The numbers are really tricky on this trade...Its a no brainer though. Chicago wants to clear cap? Thats fine. Noc and Thabo would be GREAT bench players for us...this year's draft is loaded with PGs anyway. However if they do decide to come after Carter then let them...I'd rather have Gordon, Noc and Thabo over Carter, and our expiring contracts.
I believe that Marcus will be a guy who can get you 16/7, but thats down the road. We're giving that up for Nocioni and Thabo, and getting rid of Team Disappointment. I've got to believe that the Bulls are hesitating, because if they weren't this deal would have gone through already.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 23 2008, 07:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I believe that Marcus will be a guy who can get you 16/7, but thats down the road. We're giving that up for Nocioni and Thabo, and getting rid of Team Disappointment. I've got to believe that the Bulls are hesitating, because if they weren't this deal would have gone through already.</div> I don't think its hesitation as much as working the numbers... I think Chicago would like to do this trade...they want cap space ASAP and we have expiring contracts. If anything is holding up the deal I think it would be Ratner's reluctance to go over the luxury tax and working the numbers. Noc is a begining year contract so he is difficult to trade moneywise. I'm hoping we try to make this deal larger and try to send Carter to Chicago and grab Gordon, Joe Smith and Chris Duhon. Send them Carter, Williams, Wright, Boki and Magliore for Gordon, Smith, Duhon, Noc and Thabo...that be a hell of a trade.
