Between starting Marcus, Boki and Wright? 42 million dollars. I've never said blow up this team or be an outraged critic of this team. I had hope that we would turn it around at some point or even go in as a .500 team and hopefully then we would finally find ourselves in June but I have lost almost all hope in that. Carter is riding on bum ankles while Jefferson is an All-Star one night, then cannot hit the ocean the next. Kidd, like stated in many articles for once looks fine with loosing and plays effortless defense. Like hundreds of threads before, trading Kidd means Marcus Williams runs the show (unless D-Harris comes) and with that comes instant losing seasons. Honestly after loosing to the Nuggets without Melo, Knicks more than once this year, why would it make any difference if we are loosing with Kidd or Williams? I'm officailly on the "blowup" bandwagon many of you started months ago and some aren't on it yet but there is no deal this season that can put us to the next level so why not start worrying about the next level in future years? The end.
Thorn is too concerned with his legacy to blow this team up...I think its obvious that we should rebuild but he's instead trying to hold off hoping we sneak into the playoffs and he gets to ride into the sunset.
I'm very close to wanting to blow the team up, the only thing that's keeping me from thinking so is knowing that Frank would still be the coach of the team, and I'm dead set against him running it (let alone improving young talent). As for the Marcus issue, I really don't see why people have given up on him. He'll never rebound like Kidd, or rack up the assist numbers like him, but he's already shown he can score at times, and has shown flashes of amazing court vision. He's been in the league barely over one year. I would feel confident rebuilding around him at PG.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 26 2008, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm very close to wanting to blow the team up, the only thing that's keeping me from thinking so is knowing that Frank would still be the coach of the team, and I'm dead set against him running it (let alone improving young talent). As for the Marcus issue, I really don't see why people have given up on him. He'll never rebound like Kidd, or rack up the assist numbers like him, but he's already shown he can score at times, and has shown flashes of amazing court vision. He's been in the league barely over one year. I would feel confident rebuilding around him at PG.</div> I could care less about rebounding from my pointguard...I'd much rather be getting 17 points and 10 assists than 10, 10 and 10...especially if the 17 points were efficient like 50% FG% and 40% 3P%. Yeah that was a Jason Kidd diss.
Lawrence Frank improving young talent = disaster! He'll play his crappy bench vets right after any youngster commits TO. If we are to rebuild - start with the coach.
We'd have: Marcus Williams Antoine Wright Bostjan Nachbar Sean Williams Josh Boone Nenad Krstic Add that with draft picks we'd pick up, we would have a Portland/Timberwolves type roster. One of the two looks good now but three years from now, they are both winners.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We'd have: Marcus Williams Antoine Wright Bostjan Nachbar Sean Williams Josh Boone Nenad Krstic Add that with draft picks we'd pick up, we would have a Portland/Timberwolves type roster. One of the two looks good now but three years from now, they are both winners.</div> Plus we'd most likely be getting between an extra 3-4 first rounders via trades of the big three as well as expiring contracts and young talent...Within two years we could be a playoff contender and within 4 year championship contenders.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We'd have: Marcus Williams Antoine Wright Bostjan Nachbar Sean Williams Josh Boone Nenad Krstic Add that with draft picks we'd pick up, we would have a Portland/Timberwolves type roster. One of the two looks good now but three years from now, they are both winners.</div> So what kind of money do you want to invest in Nachbar, Wright and Krstic?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We'd have: Marcus Williams Antoine Wright Bostjan Nachbar Sean Williams Josh Boone Nenad Krstic Add that with draft picks we'd pick up, we would have a Portland/Timberwolves type roster. One of the two looks good now but three years from now, they are both winners.</div> So what kind of money do you want to invest in Nachbar, Wright and Krstic? </div> They haven't proved anything so they won't be big investments but might as well keep them around either as role players or starters depending how well they do.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 26 2008, 01:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for the Marcus issue, I really don't see why people have given up on him. He'll never rebound like Kidd, or rack up the assist numbers like him, but he's already shown he can score at times, and has shown flashes of amazing court vision. He's been in the league barely over one year. I would feel confident rebuilding around him at PG.</div> He's a low first round pick who has done worse than expected to this point. I agree that he has good court vision, but that hasn't translated into making his teammates better. Not even for short stretches. Not at all. He's a scorer? So far he's shot 38% for his career. We haven't even addressed his defense or his attitude. Is "confident" really the word you want to use here?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We'd have: Marcus Williams Antoine Wright Bostjan Nachbar Sean Williams Josh Boone Nenad Krstic Add that with draft picks we'd pick up, we would have a Portland/Timberwolves type roster. One of the two looks good now but three years from now, they are both winners.</div> So what kind of money do you want to invest in Nachbar, Wright and Krstic? </div> They haven't proved anything so they won't be big investments but might as well keep them around either as role players or starters depending how well they do. </div> You can't just "keep them around". You have to pay them. What kind of contracts are you giving these guys?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We'd have: Marcus Williams Antoine Wright Bostjan Nachbar Sean Williams Josh Boone Nenad Krstic Add that with draft picks we'd pick up, we would have a Portland/Timberwolves type roster. One of the two looks good now but three years from now, they are both winners.</div> So what kind of money do you want to invest in Nachbar, Wright and Krstic? </div> They haven't proved anything so they won't be big investments but might as well keep them around either as role players or starters depending how well they do. </div> You can't just "keep them around". You have to pay them. What kind of contracts are you giving these guys? </div> Well we have a fetish with overpaying worthless junk and letting decent players walk so it's hard to tell. Depends on how well they played after Kidd and the goons left because I don't see any locked up for long deals more for the fact that we can bring in LeBron and guys to play around LeBron.
I don't expect him to elevate everyone's play after a year in the league, players like that are a rarity. I'm willing to give him more (some) time to get his three-point range consistent, a shot we have seen him hit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Jan 26 2008, 02:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We'd have: Marcus Williams Antoine Wright Bostjan Nachbar Sean Williams Josh Boone Nenad Krstic Add that with draft picks we'd pick up, we would have a Portland/Timberwolves type roster. One of the two looks good now but three years from now, they are both winners.</div> So what kind of money do you want to invest in Nachbar, Wright and Krstic? </div> They haven't proved anything so they won't be big investments but might as well keep them around either as role players or starters depending how well they do. </div> You can't just "keep them around". You have to pay them. What kind of contracts are you giving these guys? </div> Well we have a fetish with overpaying worthless junk and letting decent players walk so it's hard to tell. Depends on how well they played after Kidd and the goons left because I don't see any locked up for long deals more for the fact that we can bring in LeBron and guys to play around LeBron. </div> I agree that it's wise to have your star players in place before committing money to role players, especially replaceable/substandard ones like Wright and Nachbar.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 26 2008, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't expect him to elevate everyone's play after a year in the league, players like that are a rarity. I'm willing to give him more (some) time to get his three-point range consistent, a shot we have seen him hit.</div> How do you get from there to "confident rebuilding around him at PG"?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree that it's wise to have your star players in place before committing money to role players, especially replaceable/substandard ones like Wright and Nachbar.</div> Yea substandard ones like Wright and Nachbar, but I think it would be wise to keep Boone and Sean Williams in most situations, unless they demand contracts bigger than their worth.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jan 26 2008, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I agree that it's wise to have your star players in place before committing money to role players, especially replaceable/substandard ones like Wright and Nachbar.</div> Yea substandard ones like Wright and Nachbar, but I think it would be wise to keep Boone and Sean Williams in most situations, unless they demand contracts bigger than their worth. </div> Good big men are always worth paying. Luckily, it'll be a few years before any determination has to be made on these two.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 26 2008, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 26 2008, 02:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't expect him to elevate everyone's play after a year in the league, players like that are a rarity. I'm willing to give him more (some) time to get his three-point range consistent, a shot we have seen him hit.</div> How do you get from there to "confident rebuilding around him at PG"? </div> I gain confidence looking at the skills he has and what he's demonstrated in the very short amount of time he's been in the league.
