Kupchak LOVES Gerald Green, and I do too. He just asked to be traded from Minny. So, Lamar Odom to Minnesota for Gerald Green and Theo Ratliff. Why? Minnesota "improves" at SF, Lakers get the young Gerald Green whom the front office loves, and we get an expiring contract from Ratliff. Also, Ratliff is a big, and we need that right now. I'm SO excited for this......I hope Kupchak pulls the trigger.
See, I'd be ok with that trade. We get rid of Odom, who has done nothing recently, get a great young swingman with loads of potential and also get some much needed size in return. And while Ratliff can't really score, he can rebound and is a very good shot blocker. He'd be a nice fill in at the center while Bynum is down.
We should also throw in Vujacic for a 2nd Rd. Pick so that we can keep Mbenga. If not, we have to wait until his 10-day contract is over. We are maxed out on our roster.
Ratliff is Mihm 2.0 .. big guy who likes the IR .. i dont like odom, but i wouldn't trade him for uselessness
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (notmuchgame @ Jan 26 2008, 02:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ratliff is Mihm 2.0 .. big guy who likes the IR .. i dont like odom, but i wouldn't trade him for uselessness</div> Ummm............Gerald Green isn't uselessness AND would you prefer LO for two years or just finish off the season with Ratliff and dump his contract after the season?
Lol Gerald Green hasn't proven shit in the NBA. I hate Lamar, but I'm not stupid enough to trade him for Gerald Green. I'd much rather try and get Zbo.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Jan 26 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lol Gerald Green hasn't proven shit in the NBA. I hate Lamar, but I'm not stupid enough to trade him for Gerald Green. I'd much rather try and get Zbo.</div> Gerald Green has played in 2 cities that weren't going to do anything for him. In LA he gets to play with a young, contending team with veteran leadership and guys who know how to win. PJax would probably play him right away. He's only averaging 12MPG for Minny, with LA he will be averaging upwards to 20-25 minutes a game, splitting with Ariza. I say trade for him, and if he is a good player, keep him, if not, we can take him off the books this summer. He's in his last yr. of his contract.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ Jan 26 2008, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shelden Williams is avaliable.</div> You know Atlanta is actually the perfect team for Odom to play on. They have a lot of scorers and Odom could be the 3rd or 4th option for them and he's a lot better on uptempo teams. Shelden would be a good pick up and I also like Zaza who seems to be in Atlanta's doghouse. He'd be an adequate role player and spot center until Bynum is back. I've always been a big fan of Chills, too who seems to be the odd man out in Atlanta.
I'd part with Zaza for a bag of chip I love Shelden, he's one of my favorite players, and I wish he played on a team where he fit in...and the Lakers can be that team. He can be a double-double guy in the right situation. Chillz...IDK..the Hawks seem to play their best, when he plays his best.
This trade works: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Los Angeles Lakers Incoming Players Photo: Josh Childress Josh Childress Salary: $3,631,449 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 11.6 REB: 5.1 AST: 1.2 PER: 17.15 Photo: Lorenzen Wright Lorenzen Wright Salary: $3,250,000 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 0.9 REB: 3.3 AST: 0.3 PER: 4.38 Photo: Zaza Pachulia Zaza Pachulia Salary: $4,000,000 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 4.7 REB: 3.6 AST: 0.4 PER: 5.86 Outgoing Players: Lamar Odom Atlanta Hawks Incoming Players Photo: Lamar Odom Lamar Odom Salary: $13,248,596 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 13.2 REB: 9.5 AST: 2.8 PER: 13.48 Outgoing Players: Josh Childress, Lorenzen Wright, Zaza Pachulia</div>
Lamar seems so redundant in Atlanta though. They've got so many athletic 3/4's on that roster as it is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jan 26 2008, 03:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lamar seems so redundant in Atlanta though. They've got so many athletic 3/4's on that roster as it is.</div> Lamar likes to pass the ball though, and the other guys like to score the ball. I think that's where he would benefit them. He'd be an expensive role player for them, but I think he gets Atlanta into the playoffs. They wouldn't be giving up much for him. Neither Zaza or Wright play much, and Childress will be a free agent this summer.
Guys, GG can become an OUTSTANDING player in this league w/ proper coaching, which the Lakers have to offer. He draws comparisons like TMac or VC. When Kobe retires, we may have the next best Laker duo if Gerald Green and Andrew Bynum. Not to mention, Crittenton and Farmar running the point. With this trade, we can drop $20M this summer and can pick up Brand ($9M from Brown, $11M from Ratliff). Why wouldn't anyone want to do this? Also, this trade improves us RIGHT AWAY IMO, and we'll get even better over the summer. Next year's starting 5: PG Derek Fisher SG Kobe Bryant SF Gerald Green PF Elton Brand C Andrew Bynum Bench: Jordan Farmar, Trevor Ariza, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown (now worth LLE), Ronny Turiaf, Sasha Vujacic, Chris Mihm That, by far, may be the best lineup in the league. We either do this or hold out until the summer, trade Odom for Artest, and forget about Brand, and I really don't prefer the latter.
If lamar can takeover Childress role, and a more consistent level, than he'd be okay. I hope we'd be able to resign Smoove tho. if we can keep him, till he becomes a FA, we'll have a chance to extend Marvin as well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lakerman34 @ Jan 26 2008, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Guys, GG can become an OUTSTANDING player in this league w/ proper coaching, which the Lakers have to offer. He draws comparisons like TMac or VC. When Kobe retires, we may have the next best Laker duo if Gerald Green and Andrew Bynum. Not to mention, Crittenton and Farmar running the point. With this trade, we can drop $20M this summer and can pick up Brand ($9M from Brown, $11M from Ratliff). Why wouldn't anyone want to do this? Also, this trade improves us RIGHT AWAY IMO, and we'll get even better over the summer. Next year's starting 5: PG Derek Fisher SG Kobe Bryant SF Gerald Green PF Elton Brand C Andrew Bynum Bench: Jordan Farmar, Trevor Ariza, Luke Walton, Kwame Brown (now worth LLE), Ronny Turiaf, Sasha Vujacic, Chris Mihm That, by far, may be the best lineup in the league. We either do this or hold out until the summer, trade Odom for Artest, and forget about Brand, and I really don't prefer the latter.</div> The issue is Minnesota doesn't want Odom. We would probably have to take Antoine Walker or Marko Jaric (both toxic contracts) to get the conversation started. I agree GG has tremendous upside, but we can win NOW with just one solid trade. GG is a free agent next summer, how much would you be willing to pay for a question mark? I think the Lakers need people who can play now and play consistently every night. Elton Brand isn't opting out next summer and wants to stay in Clipperland.
Man you Lakers fans are deluded.. 1. Odom functions best when he is the PRIMARY option.. Like he was in Miami. It isn't a question of his mentality (well, it might be) but his game is best suited when he can dominate the ball. He can't really do that very well in the triangle, or at least it hasn't worked out well so far. Odom as a fourth option is ludicrous, I don't even know how anyone would think that could work. He couldn't function as a 3rd option on the Clippers, nor a 2nd option on the Lakers..... and he was most successful as the #1 guy on Miami..... and yet you think he's a "perfect fit" for the HAWKS? 2. Atlanta is a young team with a lot of tradeable talent with good contracts.. They aren't going to chuck a bunch of it away for a guy they don't even need. Josh Smith is basically a younger, better version of Odom at this point, and he's cheaper too. Last I checked they wanted a point guard, not ANOTHER skilled 6'9-6'10 guy. 3. Minnesota is in rebuilding mode. They don't need a semi-star like Odom to boost their win count. They certainly wouldn't give away Ratliff's expiring contract for him either. They are (and should be) content with getting a high draft pick next year to get more talent around Al Jefferson. They could easily ship Green off to another team for a first round pick and cash if they really want to just get rid of him. There's certainly no motivation to deal him AND their biggest bargaining chip in Ratliff's contract just to pick up a guy who won't even be part of the rebuilding process. The team most likely to get Odom is another playoff team with a disgruntled player, or some team who envisions him as someone who can get them over the hump.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tradebark @ Jan 26 2008, 04:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Man you Lakers fans are deluded.. 1. Odom functions best when he is the PRIMARY option.. Like he was in Miami. It isn't a question of his mentality (well, it might be) but his game is best suited when he can dominate the ball. He can't really do that very well in the triangle, or at least it hasn't worked out well so far. Odom as a fourth option is ludicrous, I don't even know how anyone would think that could work. He couldn't function as a 3rd option on the Clippers, nor a 2nd option on the Lakers..... and he was most successful as the #1 guy on Miami..... and yet you think he's a "perfect fit" for the HAWKS? 2. Atlanta is a young team with a lot of tradeable talent with good contracts.. They aren't going to chuck a bunch of it away for a guy they don't even need. Josh Smith is basically a younger, better version of Odom at this point, and he's cheaper too. Last I checked they wanted a point guard, not ANOTHER skilled 6'9-6'10 guy. 3. Minnesota is in rebuilding mode. They don't need a semi-star like Odom to boost their win count. They certainly wouldn't give away Ratliff's expiring contract for him either. They are (and should be) content with getting a high draft pick next year to get more talent around Al Jefferson. They could easily ship Green off to another team for a first round pick and cash if they really want to just get rid of him. There's certainly no motivation to deal him AND their biggest bargaining chip in Ratliff's contract just to pick up a guy who won't even be part of the rebuilding process. The team most likely to get Odom is another playoff team with a disgruntled player, or some team who envisions him as someone who can get them over the hump.</div> He was the primary ball-handler in Miami, but not the primary option. They only started winning consistently when Wade played his way into the rotation and Butler returned from his injury. Odom is great at grabbing a rebound and pushing it up the court with two wing players running the lanes to draw the defense off Odom or for Odom to dish the ball to for a high percentage shot. He doesn't move unless he has the ball in his hands which is why he's a disaster in the Triangle offense. I think he'd be a good fit for Atlanta because of their style of play. They like to get up and down the court, but the problem is their three wing players all have shoot first mentalities. JJ likes to shoot, Josh Smith likes to shoot, and Marvin likes to shoot. He could be the primary ball handler for the Hawks creating shots for JJ, Josh, or Marvin because they move well without the basketball. Odom wouldn't have any pressure to score in Atlanta just like he didn't have any pressure to score in Miami. He was solid for the Lakers once Bynum became the 2nd option and Odom became the 3rd or 4th option (depending on Fisher's hot hand) and didn't have pressure to score. The deal I proposed the only young player they give up is Childress. I agree with you 100%, Minnesota wants no part of Odom and I don't blame them.
