With 3 timeouts left, he leaves Collins in on offense when it's 94-91, under 2 minutes. That's where YOU HAVE TO GO OFFENSE for defense AND SUB COLLINS OUT OF THE GAME. Any coach with half a brain knows this. Instead Collins gets fouled, misses two free throws badly and that's basically the game. I'm not sure why Kidd felt he had to pass to Collins. Collins was open, but of course Minny was leaving him open. Yes, the Nets choked this away as a team, too, but those two missed free throws were huge. And Collins shouldn't have been on the court. How can a NBA coach not realize this? They had 3 timeouts!! But the Nets coach is an imbecile. A moron. If he's not fired after this, he's never getting fired. What an embarassment this franchise is becoming (again).
No I think this has gone beyond just firing Lawrence Frank. Kidd really has to go; he looks like he could careless whether the Nets win or not. That's just not good. Maybe firing Frank a month ago could of saved this franchise, but at this point, it would just be step 1.
You can't blame it on him. I don't like him, I don't think he is as good a coach as some people here think he is but its not his fault. The team is just flawed, the pieces don't mesh. You wanna fire someone, fire the guy who put it together.
I watched the game with my friend. He doesn't follow the Nets, but when he saw the game, he couldn't agree more that Frank was making mistakes. Sean should have been in there in the last 3 minutes. He leaves Collins in, takes him out puts Sean in, takes Sean out and puts Collins in (who missed the free throws) and then takes him out and puts Sean in again. Huh?
Phoenix Coyotes gaves Wayne Gretzky full control over matters and coaching. We should try that with Micheal Jordan if he takes the offer and leaves Charlotte.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Jan 27 2008, 09:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can't blame it on him. I don't like him, I don't think he is as good a coach as some people here think he is but its not his fault. The team is just flawed, the pieces don't mesh. You wanna fire someone, fire the guy who put it together.</div> I've got no problem with Rod getting canned, too, but step 1 is Frank. He shouldn't even be allowed on the plane back. I'm sick of him. Sick of hearing him yell out plays like some know-it-all, when he's not able to make in-game adjustments, or proper substitutions. He is an awful coach. There is absolutely, unequivically no defense for having Collins on offense in that situation. The worst part is that I continue to watch this team. Really, we are all just asking for it. Watching this team will just ruin your day.
Coach; GM; Players. While this team is horribly flawed, I'm not sure that changing all three are necessary. I think a major change to one of those categories is all that is required
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 27 2008, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Coach; GM; Players. While this team is horribly flawed, I'm not sure that changing all three are necessary. I think a major change to one of those categories is all that is required</div> That is CLEARLY the GM. If Frank gets canned, too, that's fine. A fresh start would be welcome and the new GM should get to pick his own coach. But Thorn better get it first because he has completely and utterly failed at his job.
I wrote this in the Denver game thread: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>One thing I don't understand is when Kleiza made a 3 pointer with 1:46 to go to give the Nuggest 10 point lead why do the Nets take 20+ seconds to come back and get up a shot? Your down 10 and you need some quick scores to attempt a last effort comeback and they play the game like it was a tie game or something. My head hurts so much right now.</div> Well, today the Nets were up 7 points with 1:19 to go and the Wolves called a timeout. They inbound the ball and within 4 seconds they attempt and make a three. 4 point game. Collins misses two free throws and the Wolves brings the ball up the floor and make another 3 with 9 seconds left on the shotclock to bring it to 1 with like 40s left. The Wolves actually looked for quick scores and 3 pointers to make a desperation comeback which paid off. But for some reason the Nets don't play with that kind of urgency when they are down or in general. And they when they do have a decent lead they don't really look to bury the other team and let teams hang around when they should be extending the lead.
So Collins is (indirectly) blamed for the loss. How surprising. How about the fact that Jason Kidd doesn't give a shit and there is no bench?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jan 27 2008, 09:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wrote this in the Denver game thread: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>One thing I don't understand is when Kleiza made a 3 pointer with 1:46 to go to give the Nuggest 10 point lead why do the Nets take 20+ seconds to come back and get up a shot? Your down 10 and you need some quick scores to attempt a last effort comeback and they play the game like it was a tie game or something. My head hurts so much right now.</div> Well, today the Nets were up 7 points with 1:19 to go and the Wolves called a timeout. They inbound the ball and within 4 seconds they attempt and make a three. 4 point game. Collins misses two free throws and the Wolves brings the ball up the floor and make another 3 with 9 seconds left on the shotclock to bring it to 1 with like 40s left. The Wolves actually looked for quick scores and 3 pointers to make a desperation comeback which paid off. But for some reason the Nets don't play with that kind of urgency when they are down or in general. And they when they do have a decent lead they don't really look to bury the other team and let teams hang around when they should be extending the lead. </div> Nets are too busy trying to set up Collins on a pick and roll to the basket. They are trying to get his scoring average back up. Nothing is more important than that. Except Frank's ability to call out an opposing team's play. He's a mastermind that cannot be stopped. He can actually see a play develop and yell it out. It doesn't matter that he doesn't know how to get his team to stop it. All that matters is that He SEES IT COMING.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Jan 27 2008, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So Collins is (indirectly) blamed for the loss. How surprising. How about the fact that Jason Kidd doesn't give a shit and there is no bench?</div> Dumpy, yes or no question for you. Was leaving Collins in the game on offense a good move? Yes or no? Kidd at least hit 3 big 3s when they needed them and came up with a couple of steals and loose balls.
I think it all depends on if this is Thorn's last year or not...if it is than I think he will keep Frank and let the next team president (kiki) make the decision on the next coach...however if he feels like staying past this season I think he will in fact need to fire Frank. As for the big three...I don't think RJ is going anywhere as he is still young and will most likely play at a high level for the remainder of his contract...not saying he's untouchable just saying he wouldn't be part of a firesale. As for Carter I think he's here for at least the rest of the season...now come this offseason I think he may attractive especially if he gets healthier as the season progresses...otherwise we will probably wait til next seasons trade deadline. Kidd should be traded...it is apparent this combination of players doesnt work and I think that his value being as high as it is and his contract being as high as it is it would be a solid move to get some youth and expiring contract and a first rounder for him. A Kidd trade could make us younger deeper and give us more cap room to invest in our bench which is horrible.
question is, who replaces Frank? Hill? Cartwright? (remember, Cartwright was to be the coach of Kings but he turned it down) . Neither?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Jan 27 2008, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>question is, who replaces Frank? Hill? Cartwright? (remember, Cartwright was to be the coach of Kings but he turned it down) . Neither?</div> I hear good things about this New Orleans coach. Maybe we can lure him away?? I'd go with Hill. Or honestly, anyone else. Anyone. Carlysle. Louie Carnesseca, anyone. I'm available, Rod!
