He airballed the shot too. We lost another close game. We keep giving away these games and we never seem to learn. I'm done Lamar, I don't even want to see him on this team anymore. Not only did he miss the shot, it was a ****ing airball. Watch us come out flat against the Raptors after this heartbreaking loss. All the hard work for the comeback was absolutely wasted. I can't believe this bullshit
Ugh, how does that happen. And how'd I know that the Turiaf missed FT was gonna hurt us. Well, the brilliant 2nd half by Kobe goes for naught as the Lakers collapse again in the 4th. This team really needs to learn how to close an opponent out.
2nd time in 3 games Kobe's teammate chokes and loses the game. I can't believe this. Kobe needs to throw another TV at Lamar, I'm sick and tired of this bullshit
Mitch needs to learn when to freaking trade people. He did a great job with Bynum and ignoring Kidd, but Odom does not have the same huge upside. Let him go.
Stupid ass Turiaf, hit your damn free throws. Stupid refs, that wasn't a goal tend according to a lot of people, I'll wait for my judgment. Stupid Lamar, you no good piece of shit. I hope you break your ankle in the shower.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Jan 31 2008, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Mitch needs to learn when to freaking trade people. He did a great job with Bynum and ignoring Kidd, but Odom does not have the same huge upside. Let him go.</div> We've been saying this for the past three seasons but apparently he still has too much "value" to this team. I don't understand it at all. He shot 1-5 and scored 6 points. I'm so sick and tired of this guy
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Jan 31 2008, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stupid ass Turiaf, hit your damn free throws. Stupid refs, that wasn't a goal tend according to a lot of people, I'll wait for my judgment. Stupid Lamar, you no good piece of shit. I hope you break your ankle in the shower.</div> Don't blame Turiaf, we should have won either way. Lamar didn't box out his man on the final play, which lead to an offensive rebound. The offensive rebound lead to a wide open three for Tayshaun Prince (who was the guy Lamar should've been guarding in the first place). Then he goes on offense and launches up a three that didn't even hit rim
I'll wait to see the play, but according to everyone at LG the rebound clanked to hard, that's all. The rebound isn't on Lamar, leaving Prince is. Turiaf missing that FT was bigger, though. He hits that, the game is in OT.
Also, Phil really needs to check himself. His coaching in these past couple of games have been horrendous. He pretty much cost us the game today by putting both Lamar AND Kwame on the floor in the closing minutes. What the hell is wrong with him
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 31 2008, 10:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Jan 31 2008, 10:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Stupid ass Turiaf, hit your damn free throws. Stupid refs, that wasn't a goal tend according to a lot of people, I'll wait for my judgment. Stupid Lamar, you no good piece of shit. I hope you break your ankle in the shower.</div> Don't blame Turiaf, we should have won either way. Lamar didn't box out his man on the final play, which lead to an offensive rebound. The offensive rebound lead to a wide open three for Tayshaun Prince (who was the guy Lamar should've been guarding in the first place). Then he goes on offense and launches up a three that didn't even hit rim </div> I guess Odom panicked and might have wanted to save his career in LA by being the hero. I also would like to draw some attention to Kwame, this guy has even regressed in his free throw shooting and is killing us offensively. Sometimes I don't even think he's that useful defending people either, seeing as he has struggled with the pick and roll and has a generally low Basketball IQ.
Looking at the box score, it'd be easy to pin it on Odom. He didn't have a good offensive game and horribly missed the final shot. However, you can't look past the fact that Kobe had 11 turnovers. As a team we had 22, giving him exactly half of them. So, while Lamar was awful, Kobe had just as big of a factor in the loss as he did, even if Kobe was brilliant in the 2nd half. Plus, it didn't help that every Laker not named Kobe, Fisher or Turiaf could shoot. My god. Odom, Kwame and Sasha were a combined 3/15, each going 1/5. And Turiaf, while he was 5/6, he scored 10 of his 12 in the first half and missed some big FTs down the stretch. So, while the trendy thing is to blame Lamar these days, he wasn't the only reason why we lost.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Moo2K4 @ Jan 31 2008, 11:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Looking at the box score, it'd be easy to pin it on Odom. He didn't have a good offensive game and horribly missed the final shot. However, you can't look past the fact that Kobe had 11 turnovers. As a team we had 22, giving him exactly half of them. So, while Lamar was awful, Kobe had just as big of a factor in the loss as he did, even if Kobe was brilliant in the 2nd half. Plus, it didn't help that every Laker not named Kobe, Fisher or Turiaf could shoot. My god. Odom, Kwame and Sasha were a combined 3/15, each going 1/5. And Turiaf, while he was 5/6, he scored 10 of his 12 in the first half and missed some big FTs down the stretch. So, while the trendy thing is to blame Lamar these days, he wasn't the only reason why we lost.</div> Yeah sure but Kobe doesn't average 39 points a game on fantastic percentages. I think Kobe had an about "average-Kobe" game taking into account everything. Lamar should get the most heat for this loss. Edit- And I couldn't see the game of course, so if Mamba is right about the turnovers Kobe had a great game.
After seeing the rebound, that was nothing on Lamar. The loss is, but not because of that. The ball just clanked hard off the rim and bounced out to Prince. After seeing the replay, Prince also pushed off.
As I said, I didn't see the game, so I didn't know who was the cause of the Kobe TOs, whether they were his fault or his teammates inability to hold onto the rock. Again, I'm not necessarily assigning a huge amount of blame to him, but the fact that the had 11 TOs doesn't help regardless of whether or not they're all his fault.
I'm not as pissed about the loss because I didn't expect us to be in this game after being down by 17 points. I just finished watching the end of the game and the long rebound wasn't Odom's fault, but collapsing on Billups and leaving Prince WIDE OPEN for a 3 point shot was inexcusable. If Billups makes that layup the game is still tied and you have one more possession to go for the win. Stupidity just follows Lamar every damn time in crucial situations. He did not score a single field goal until the 7:03 mark of the 3rd quarter. He was being defended by the opposing team's SG, Rip Hamilton. Turiaf choked at the free throw line, but he probably shouldn't have been playing after he injured his right shoulder earlier in the game. Kobe logged A LOT of minutes tonight and after losing a heart breaker I'm not sure how they will respond tomorrow night in Toronto. Losing those games makes all the pain will 10X worse. Kobe couldn't do anything but shake his head and scratch it after Odom air balled the final shot by shooting it 6 feet past the backboard. That last shot by Lamar wasn't even close, but at least we got a shot off this time right?
I love that point of view Shape, at least we got the shot off! That is a major improvement!!! Hahah, you're pure comedy! I can't even blame Odom for going after the rebounding, that's his job. I'm sure Phil emphasized that to him in the huddle. He can't help that the referee's swallowed their whistles when Prince pushed him in the back.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Moo2K4 @ Jan 31 2008, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As I said, I didn't see the game, so I didn't know who was the cause of the Kobe TOs, whether they were his fault or his teammates inability to hold onto the rock. Again, I'm not necessarily assigning a huge amount of blame to him, but the fact that the had 11 TOs doesn't help regardless of whether or not they're all his fault.</div> In the first quarter and a half, Kobe had about 7 TOs, 3 were on Radman fumbles, and at least 1, maybe 2, were on Kwame fumbles. Not making excuses for him, but his teammates did account for many of those early TOs
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Mamba @ Jan 31 2008, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I love that point of view Shape, at least we got the shot off! That is a major improvement!!! Hahah, you're pure comedy! I can't even blame Odom for going after the rebounding, that's his job. I'm sure Phil emphasized that to him in the huddle. He can't help that the referee's swallowed their whistles when Prince pushed him in the back.</div> Do you watch the Simpsons? Do you remember that episode when Homer screwed up and every time after that everyone referred to it as "pulling a Homer" ??? From now on anytime someone makes a mistake you refer to them as pulling an Odom.
