It will probably be easier to trade Swift's expiring contract next season than Collins'. Kiki is getting to work.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It will probably be easier to trade Swift's expiring contract next season than Collins'. Kiki is getting to work.</div> this is def. the doing of kiki. thorn sux
I thought Swift had a player option and it's almost the same as Collins contract? I wasn't actually minding Collins on the bench. He didn't cause any trouble and he was helping with Boone and Williams while Swift is pretty much a waived player because his team doesn't want him around the youth. Awesome?
collins never asked to be the starting PF. In an era when players whine and complain about their roles and touches, insist on contribuitng to personnel decisions, and--yes--even demand to be traded, it is unfair to hate on him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 1 2008, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>collins never asked to be the starting PF. In an era when players whine and complain about their roles and touches, insist on contribuitng to personnel decisions, and--yes--even demand to be traded, it is unfair to hate on him.</div> he was a good citizen but he was horrible, the fact that we had to play him just shows how bad we were. he will get no time in memphis
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 1 2008, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I thought Swift had a player option and it's almost the same as Collins contract? I wasn't actually minding Collins on the bench. He didn't cause any trouble and he was helping with Boone and Williams while Swift is pretty much a waived player because his team doesn't want him around the youth. Awesome?</div> I agree, but read my post above about the relative ease of trading their expiring contracts. Swift will produce more on the court. If he gets time, he can be a decent trade chip. Swift's worst case scenario is that he's simply an expiring deal - which makes him equal to Collins anyway.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 1 2008, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I thought Swift had a player option and it's almost the same as Collins contract? I wasn't actually minding Collins on the bench. He didn't cause any trouble and he was helping with Boone and Williams while Swift is pretty much a waived player because his team doesn't want him around the youth. Awesome?</div> I agree, but read my post above about the relative ease of trading their expiring contracts. Swift will produce more on the court. If he gets time, he can be a decent trade chip. Swift's worst case scenario is that he's simply an expiring deal - which makes him equal to Collins anyway. </div> No, Stro's worst case scenario is that he has to be sent home and told to stay away from the team. I'd rather have McInnis around the young guys than Stro.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 1 2008, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I thought Swift had a player option and it's almost the same as Collins contract? I wasn't actually minding Collins on the bench. He didn't cause any trouble and he was helping with Boone and Williams while Swift is pretty much a waived player because his team doesn't want him around the youth. Awesome?</div> I agree, but read my post above about the relative ease of trading their expiring contracts. Swift will produce more on the court. If he gets time, he can be a decent trade chip. Swift's worst case scenario is that he's simply an expiring deal - which makes him equal to Collins anyway. </div> No, Stro's worst case scenario is that he has to be sent home and told to stay away from the team. I'd rather have McInnis around the young guys than Stro. </div> It's still equal same in terms of trade value. It might even be preferred. An inactive Swift might be easier to buy out by his new team, where Collins will take up a roster spot all season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 1 2008, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I thought Swift had a player option and it's almost the same as Collins contract? I wasn't actually minding Collins on the bench. He didn't cause any trouble and he was helping with Boone and Williams while Swift is pretty much a waived player because his team doesn't want him around the youth. Awesome?</div> I agree, but read my post above about the relative ease of trading their expiring contracts. Swift will produce more on the court. If he gets time, he can be a decent trade chip. Swift's worst case scenario is that he's simply an expiring deal - which makes him equal to Collins anyway. </div> No, Stro's worst case scenario is that he has to be sent home and told to stay away from the team. I'd rather have McInnis around the young guys than Stro. </div> worst post ever
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 1 2008, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 1 2008, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>collins never asked to be the starting PF. In an era when players whine and complain about their roles and touches, insist on contribuitng to personnel decisions, and--yes--even demand to be traded, it is unfair to hate on him.</div> he was a good citizen but he was horrible, the fact that we had to play him just shows how bad we were. he will get no time in memphis </div> yes, no one else has any clue what to do on defense, and he constantly gives instructions to his mornic teammates. Again, he should deserve praise for the things he can do, that he always tried hard and got the most out of his ability, that he played hurt without a single complaint. I MUCH prefer to root for Collins than a jackass like _____ (fill in the blank)
Maybe this is a 3 way for JON? We know Indy didn't want any part of Collins so they are looking to replace him and his salary in the trade.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 1 2008, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I thought Swift had a player option and it's almost the same as Collins contract? I wasn't actually minding Collins on the bench. He didn't cause any trouble and he was helping with Boone and Williams while Swift is pretty much a waived player because his team doesn't want him around the youth. Awesome?</div> I agree, but read my post above about the relative ease of trading their expiring contracts. Swift will produce more on the court. If he gets time, he can be a decent trade chip. Swift's worst case scenario is that he's simply an expiring deal - which makes him equal to Collins anyway. </div> No, Stro's worst case scenario is that he has to be sent home and told to stay away from the team. I'd rather have McInnis around the young guys than Stro. </div> It's still equal same in terms of trade value. It might even be preferred. An inactive Swift might be easier to buy out by his new team, where Collins will take up a roster spot all season. </div> Look back at last year at how much value Magloire didn't have as an expiring contract. I've got no problem with the trade, but Swift should be bought out and never allowed to wear a Nets uniform
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 10:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 1 2008, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 1 2008, 10:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 1 2008, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I thought Swift had a player option and it's almost the same as Collins contract? I wasn't actually minding Collins on the bench. He didn't cause any trouble and he was helping with Boone and Williams while Swift is pretty much a waived player because his team doesn't want him around the youth. Awesome?</div> I agree, but read my post above about the relative ease of trading their expiring contracts. Swift will produce more on the court. If he gets time, he can be a decent trade chip. Swift's worst case scenario is that he's simply an expiring deal - which makes him equal to Collins anyway. </div> No, Stro's worst case scenario is that he has to be sent home and told to stay away from the team. I'd rather have McInnis around the young guys than Stro. </div> It's still equal same in terms of trade value. It might even be preferred. An inactive Swift might be easier to buy out by his new team, where Collins will take up a roster spot all season. </div> Look back at last year at how much value Magloire didn't have as an expiring contract. I've got no problem with the trade, but Swift should be bought out and never allowed to wear a Nets uniform </div> Maybe Stro's last year has a buyout provision and that is why the Nets want him over Collins?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Feb 1 2008, 06:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why would this mean jb's days are done? swift would be a bench warmer most likely. as much as I'm not crazy for Collins, it will in fact be kinda sad to see him go. not for his playing abilities, but because he was a funny guy, and one of our last pieces remaining from the finals years. if kidd goes, then RJ will be the sole survivor from those years.</div> Why would he be a bench warmer, he's better than Sean and josh boone. He hassn't been given a chance to shine. It would be a waste if he had to sit the bench.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King John da FiF @ Feb 1 2008, 10:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (soul driver @ Feb 1 2008, 06:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why would this mean jb's days are done? swift would be a bench warmer most likely. as much as I'm not crazy for Collins, it will in fact be kinda sad to see him go. not for his playing abilities, but because he was a funny guy, and one of our last pieces remaining from the finals years. if kidd goes, then RJ will be the sole survivor from those years.</div> Why would he be a bench warmer, he's better than Sean and josh boone. He hassn't been given a chance to shine. It would be a waste if he had to sit the bench. </div> In Houston, he was given the chance to shine next to Yao and he definately didn't.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King John da FiF @ Feb 1 2008, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>*removed</div> Much like you do with Vince Carter every day? Relax man.
I'd be more excited if this trade had happened about 3-4 years ago, when there was still hope for this team. Now, I tend to think it's better for the Nets draft position if Collins sticks around and continues his career of suckitude. The question is, why does Memphis want to do this? Do they actually think of Collins as a defensive stopper? What did Swift do to get suspended, just bitch and moan, or did he pee on the coach or something?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King John da FiF @ Feb 1 2008, 10:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>*removed</div> When I saw "Collins to be traded for Swift," my mind certainly didn't go to a mental image of "ball-gargling." Got anything to tell us John?
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