Collins for Swift is a BAD MOVE

...and I will be right about this.

Swift plays with less passion than even Vince Carter. And with Kidd being shipped out, who's going to be here to get Swift to work? The last thing the Nets need is another cancer.

And those of you Collins haters...he's barely playing now anyways, only matching up vs the tough centers and power forwards like Iglauskus and Shaq. Don't for get how Collins shuts down Jermaine O'Neal types as well. Even as recently as in Minnesota, Al Jefferson barely scored when Collins was in.

Getting Swift to play defense? Good luck...

The onliy reason to do this trade is if a 3rd team wanted Swift in a Kidd trade.

 

I'm with you on this one. You get more athleticism and talent in this trade, but I've yet to see what all the fuss is about with Swift. He's only had one impressive season and it was in a contract year. Everywhere else, he's been a disappointment. He plays with absolutely no desire and continually squanders his potential. And on top of that, he whines. I wouldn't want to be on the hook for that contract.

 

relax people, we traded crap for crap. and I don't think this move will have disastrous consequences for this franchise.

 

I agree, while Swift is the better player we already have Sean and Boone playing pretty well and Nenad on his way back. Now we don't have a man to man defender, Collins was able to shut down or at least contain other bigs and this is valuable in the playoffs, if we make it that far. However, this could be a sign of things to come. We don't need Collins if we don't plan on making the playoffs (Kidd trade). But I'm not sure why we would trade for Swift, he has a player option next season. Why not trade for a definite expiring contract?

 

Assuming this deal is a one-for-one, I believe we can't trade Swift until the offseason, unless we trade him by himself.

 

both suck but swift is better

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Feb 1 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>...and I will be right about this.

Swift plays with less passion than even Vince Carter. And with Kidd being shipped out, who's going to be here to get Swift to work? The last thing the Nets need is another cancer.

And those of you Collins haters...he's barely playing now anyways, only matching up vs the tough centers and power forwards like Iglauskus and Shaq. Don't for get how Collins shuts down Jermaine O'Neal types as well. Even as recently as in Minnesota, Al Jefferson barely scored when Collins was in.

Getting Swift to play defense? Good luck...

The onliy reason to do this trade is if a 3rd team wanted Swift in a Kidd trade.</div>


collins PER is among the worst in the league, his defense has taken a huge hit. the game is more uptempo and collins wasnt playing as you said, no need to have 12 million on the bench for a scrub. al jefferson did score with collins on, FYI and JON is done and ilgauskau is not a guy who can carry a team. KG always destroys the **** out of collins, sheed will have his way, dwight dominated him, please tell me someone collins has defended well this season? his knees are shot and he can hardly move. he has no value to memphis, he was just the only offer they recieved for swift

 

FYI, this is not a franchise changing move. if swift sux, he'll sit and noody will care what he says like mcinnis.

 

Sorry, but when you have a chance to get rid of what is statiscally the worst player possibly EVER, and you may actually get a serviceable player in return, you don't blink. You say "sounds like a good deal" and try not to laugh before you hang up the phone.

Anyone who thinks Collins is worth keeping just doesn't understand the game of basketball. Playing with him on offense, you are playing 4 against 5. And defensively, he's nowhere near what he once was. Witness Chris Paul scoring a game winner on him. Witness him fouling a 3-point shooter in the final minute of the same game. Witness him bricking two freebies in the final minute vs. the Jazz. Witness the fact that he never blocks a shot, gets an assist or a steal. He's like a ghost! Even though he's asked to do so very little, he still manages to blow games! He is a TERRIBLE NBA PLAYER. And we were stuck with him for another whole year? This has been the worst contract in Nets history. God, It's been FOREVER!

You know what Furnace, I'll take my chances with Stro, and unless he goes on a killing spree, I think we'll be okay.

Pass me what you guys have been smoking.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 1 2008, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Assuming this deal is a one-for-one, I believe we can't trade Swift until the offseason, unless we trade him by himself.</div>

Yep. Have to wait two months if he's going to be used in a package deal, and by that time, the deadline will be long gone.

 

Swift is a highflyer in NBA Live 2006. What was Collins? Nothing! Grizz got screwed.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Feb 1 2008, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry, but when you have a chance to get rid of what is statiscally the worst player possibly EVER, and you may actually get a serviceable player in return, you don't blink. You say "sounds like a good deal" and try not to laugh before you hang up the phone.

Anyone who thinks Collins is worth keeping just doesn't understand the game of basketball. Playing with him on offense, you are playing 4 against 5. And defensively, he's nowhere near what he once was. Witness Chris Paul scoring a game winner on him. Witness him fouling a 3-point shooter in the final minute of the same game. Witness him bricking two freebies in the final minute vs. the Jazz. Witness the fact that he never blocks a shot, gets an assist or a steal. He's like a ghost! Even though he's asked to do so very little, he still manages to blow games! He is a TERRIBLE NBA PLAYER. And we were stuck with him for another whole year? This has been the worst contract in Nets history. God, It's been FOREVER!

You know what Furnace, I'll take my chances with Stro, and unless he goes on a killing spree, I think we'll be okay.

Pass me what you guys have been smoking.</div>
collins gets more free passes on here then anyone. he blows at basketball but for some reason. we're supposed to expect that. that guy should be making the vet min. yet he raked in 24 million, jesus. its his contract that pisses the hell out of me and his crappy play that doesnt match

 

A few reasons why this trade will work in our favor.

1. Collins sucks. I don't care if Swift is a cancer, lazy and is overhyped. Collins is horrible. He will not be in the NBA 4 years from now. Swift will.

2. Swift has more trade value than Collins. I understand that it wont matter much next year because they're both on their last years of their deals next year, but he has a little more interest than Collins, who I'm sure will have none.

3. With Collins we know what we're getting. A HORRIBLE offensive player, and a decent defender. With Swift there is a 5% chance this trade may rekindle that flame inside of him and get that passion to play back in his game.

4. Once Kidd is gone none of this will matter. We are going to suck and our main concern will be what pick we have in the draft. Swift, Collins, etc....it wont matter and I'm fine with that.

5. If we suck, we suck. But the more players on the team who can't be controlled by Frank the better. More of a chance Frank will be removed too.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Feb 1 2008, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift is a highflyer in NBA Live 2006. What was Collins? Nothing! Grizz got screwed.</div>

 

Traded a useless player for another one, whats the big deal?

The only thing that pisses me off is that a move like this just proves Thorn is a horrible GM. This is a shake-up move that would have worked before the Nets gave up and Kidd quit on us but as always Thorn makes a move when it doesn't matter.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Feb 1 2008, 07:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sorry, but when you have a chance to get rid of what is statiscally the worst player possibly EVER, and you may actually get a serviceable player in return, you don't blink. You say "sounds like a good deal" and try not to laugh before you hang up the phone.

Anyone who thinks Collins is worth keeping just doesn't understand the game of basketball. Playing with him on offense, you are playing 4 against 5. And defensively, he's nowhere near what he once was. Witness Chris Paul scoring a game winner on him. Witness him fouling a 3-point shooter in the final minute of the same game. Witness him bricking two freebies in the final minute vs. the Jazz. Witness the fact that he never blocks a shot, gets an assist or a steal. He's like a ghost! Even though he's asked to do so very little, he still manages to blow games! He is a TERRIBLE NBA PLAYER. And we were stuck with him for another whole year? This has been the worst contract in Nets history. God, It's been FOREVER!

You know what Furnace, I'll take my chances with Stro, and unless he goes on a killing spree, I think we'll be okay.

Pass me what you guys have been smoking.</div>

Basketball is not baseball. Statistics do not rule, especially not box score stats.

You are the one that does not understand basketball. He allows the team to execute sets and plays that would not be possible with Swift, who is of very low basketball IQ. On top of that, this locker room is already fragile. If Kidd does not get traded by the deadline, everyone will be walking on eggshells and that last thing the Nets need is Swift messing with the chemistry.

Basketball is a game about knowing and trusting your teammates. You cannot quantify situations by reducing variables like you can in baseball. Therefore, you cannot even use stats like PER. Wins is the only true judge. And judging by wins, the fast break/motion offense of the 01-04 Nets were the most effective with Kidd. Period.

I agree that Collins is not the player he was back then...his knees are bad and his free throw shooting has inexplicably fallen. However, he still provides more value than Swift as a specialist defender off the bench. Swift is a poor man's Sean Williams. If anything, it would make more sense to trade Magloire for Swift.

 

this trade makes no difference!!!!!!!!!! stop acting like this trade hurts this team, dammit. collins was hardly playing, for all the accolades you give the stiff, he sure as hell didnt provide them this season. he's a stump compared to the quick forwards of the game today. christ sake, never seen such a fanbase get riled over such a bum, not even laker fans with kwame

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 3 2008, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>this trade makes no difference!!!!!!!!!! stop acting like this trade hurts this team, dammit. collins was hardly playing, for all the accolades you give the stiff, he sure as hell didnt provide them this season. he's a stump compared to the quick forwards of the game today. christ sake, never seen such a fanbase get riled over such a bum, not even laker fans with kwame</div>

You could be right. This trade could make no difference. That's best-case scenario.

Worst-case scenario is that he fucks up with the chemistry, and drives Frank mad.

 

This would be a bad move if the Nets were competitive and trying to win.

Since that's not the case, it hardly matters.