<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Feb 4 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, wait, basketball isn't baseball? That's profound. To finish up on this. Collins wasn't even playing anymore, so he wasn't "allowing" them to do anything, as you say, so that point is moot. On offense, he sets a high screen and stands there. He can't roll to the hoop and he can't pop out for a J. Worthless. As a specialist defender, give me a break. He's able to stand in one place and take an occasional charge, basically because he can't move. He got schooled this year by tons of players, including Eddy Curry, who he's supposedly a specialist against. He also gets tons of ticky tack fouls against him, because he gets zero respect from officials. And if a rebound isn't right at him, he's not getting it. They got rid of dead weight and got a guy they will either take off the books and save some cap space on sooner than they would've with Collins. Or maybe it will be a guy that rediscovers his game a little and helps them out. Either way, the trade was a no-brainer. It's not Neil Allen for Keith Hernandez or Kidd for Marbury, but it's a trade that improves the team a little bit, end of story. The great thing is we no longer have to debate and complain about J.C., this team is bad enough without him. And yeah, he got a lot of unfair blame. But a lot of it was also fair. And p.s., he'll be out of the league after next year, watch.</div> Collins was not "schooled" by anyone except Garnett this year. Collins shut down Al Jefferson and Dwight Howard this year. Even IF, and that's a BIG IF, Swift is a better overall player, my argument is that he is not a better FIT FOR THE NETS. That's all I'm saying. Just like when I say Vince Carter is not a good fit for Jason Kidd, I am NOT saying Vince Carter is a bad player. Collins brings something more unique to the table than Swift. Who can actually stop Dwight Howard, Shaq, Al Jefferson, Big Baby, Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, Big Z, Jermain O'Neal, etc? Swift, Williams, and Boone are too light/weak. Magloire should be able to, but hasn't.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Feb 4 2008, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Feb 4 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, wait, basketball isn't baseball? That's profound. To finish up on this. Collins wasn't even playing anymore, so he wasn't "allowing" them to do anything, as you say, so that point is moot. On offense, he sets a high screen and stands there. He can't roll to the hoop and he can't pop out for a J. Worthless. As a specialist defender, give me a break. He's able to stand in one place and take an occasional charge, basically because he can't move. He got schooled this year by tons of players, including Eddy Curry, who he's supposedly a specialist against. He also gets tons of ticky tack fouls against him, because he gets zero respect from officials. And if a rebound isn't right at him, he's not getting it. They got rid of dead weight and got a guy they will either take off the books and save some cap space on sooner than they would've with Collins. Or maybe it will be a guy that rediscovers his game a little and helps them out. Either way, the trade was a no-brainer. It's not Neil Allen for Keith Hernandez or Kidd for Marbury, but it's a trade that improves the team a little bit, end of story. The great thing is we no longer have to debate and complain about J.C., this team is bad enough without him. And yeah, he got a lot of unfair blame. But a lot of it was also fair. And p.s., he'll be out of the league after next year, watch.</div> Collins was not "schooled" by anyone except Garnett this year. Collins shut down Al Jefferson and Dwight Howard this year. Even IF, and that's a BIG IF, Swift is a better overall player, my argument is that he is not a better FIT FOR THE NETS. That's all I'm saying. Just like when I say Vince Carter is not a good fit for Jason Kidd, I am NOT saying Vince Carter is a bad player. Collins brings something more unique to the table than Swift. Who can actually stop Dwight Howard, Shaq, Al Jefferson, Big Baby, Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, Big Z, Jermain O'Neal, etc? Swift, Williams, and Boone are too light/weak. Magloire should be able to, but hasn't. </div> al jefferson went for 40/20 and i beleiuve dwight had one bad game but he DOMINATED the other one, something to the tune of 25/17. if he did such a good job, he would have been in the game longer but he played limites minutes in minny and he did play vs. orlando.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 4 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Feb 4 2008, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Feb 4 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, wait, basketball isn't baseball? That's profound. To finish up on this. Collins wasn't even playing anymore, so he wasn't "allowing" them to do anything, as you say, so that point is moot. On offense, he sets a high screen and stands there. He can't roll to the hoop and he can't pop out for a J. Worthless. As a specialist defender, give me a break. He's able to stand in one place and take an occasional charge, basically because he can't move. He got schooled this year by tons of players, including Eddy Curry, who he's supposedly a specialist against. He also gets tons of ticky tack fouls against him, because he gets zero respect from officials. And if a rebound isn't right at him, he's not getting it. They got rid of dead weight and got a guy they will either take off the books and save some cap space on sooner than they would've with Collins. Or maybe it will be a guy that rediscovers his game a little and helps them out. Either way, the trade was a no-brainer. It's not Neil Allen for Keith Hernandez or Kidd for Marbury, but it's a trade that improves the team a little bit, end of story. The great thing is we no longer have to debate and complain about J.C., this team is bad enough without him. And yeah, he got a lot of unfair blame. But a lot of it was also fair. And p.s., he'll be out of the league after next year, watch.</div> Collins was not "schooled" by anyone except Garnett this year. Collins shut down Al Jefferson and Dwight Howard this year. Even IF, and that's a BIG IF, Swift is a better overall player, my argument is that he is not a better FIT FOR THE NETS. That's all I'm saying. Just like when I say Vince Carter is not a good fit for Jason Kidd, I am NOT saying Vince Carter is a bad player. Collins brings something more unique to the table than Swift. Who can actually stop Dwight Howard, Shaq, Al Jefferson, Big Baby, Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, Big Z, Jermain O'Neal, etc? Swift, Williams, and Boone are too light/weak. Magloire should be able to, but hasn't. </div> al jefferson went for 40/20 and i beleiuve dwight had one bad game but he DOMINATED the other one, something to the tune of 25/17. if he did such a good job, he would have been in the game longer but he played limites minutes in minny and he did play vs. orlando. </div> Jizzy, I like you, but you have NO credibility and your opinion is worthless. Why don't you go through the game logs, calculate how Jefferson and Howard did with Collins in the game, and get back to us? I'm tired of doing this, and I'm not going to do it anymore.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 4 2008, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 4 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Feb 4 2008, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Feb 4 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, wait, basketball isn't baseball? That's profound. To finish up on this. Collins wasn't even playing anymore, so he wasn't "allowing" them to do anything, as you say, so that point is moot. On offense, he sets a high screen and stands there. He can't roll to the hoop and he can't pop out for a J. Worthless. As a specialist defender, give me a break. He's able to stand in one place and take an occasional charge, basically because he can't move. He got schooled this year by tons of players, including Eddy Curry, who he's supposedly a specialist against. He also gets tons of ticky tack fouls against him, because he gets zero respect from officials. And if a rebound isn't right at him, he's not getting it. They got rid of dead weight and got a guy they will either take off the books and save some cap space on sooner than they would've with Collins. Or maybe it will be a guy that rediscovers his game a little and helps them out. Either way, the trade was a no-brainer. It's not Neil Allen for Keith Hernandez or Kidd for Marbury, but it's a trade that improves the team a little bit, end of story. The great thing is we no longer have to debate and complain about J.C., this team is bad enough without him. And yeah, he got a lot of unfair blame. But a lot of it was also fair. And p.s., he'll be out of the league after next year, watch.</div> Collins was not "schooled" by anyone except Garnett this year. Collins shut down Al Jefferson and Dwight Howard this year. Even IF, and that's a BIG IF, Swift is a better overall player, my argument is that he is not a better FIT FOR THE NETS. That's all I'm saying. Just like when I say Vince Carter is not a good fit for Jason Kidd, I am NOT saying Vince Carter is a bad player. Collins brings something more unique to the table than Swift. Who can actually stop Dwight Howard, Shaq, Al Jefferson, Big Baby, Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, Big Z, Jermain O'Neal, etc? Swift, Williams, and Boone are too light/weak. Magloire should be able to, but hasn't. </div> al jefferson went for 40/20 and i beleiuve dwight had one bad game but he DOMINATED the other one, something to the tune of 25/17. if he did such a good job, he would have been in the game longer but he played limites minutes in minny and he did play vs. orlando. </div> Jizzy, I like you, but you have NO credibility and your opinion is worthless. Why don't you go through the game logs, calculate how Jefferson and Howard did with Collins in the game, and get back to us? I'm tired of doing this, and I'm not going to do it anymore. </div> you're mean
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 4 2008, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 4 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Feb 4 2008, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Feb 4 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, wait, basketball isn't baseball? That's profound. To finish up on this. Collins wasn't even playing anymore, so he wasn't "allowing" them to do anything, as you say, so that point is moot. On offense, he sets a high screen and stands there. He can't roll to the hoop and he can't pop out for a J. Worthless. As a specialist defender, give me a break. He's able to stand in one place and take an occasional charge, basically because he can't move. He got schooled this year by tons of players, including Eddy Curry, who he's supposedly a specialist against. He also gets tons of ticky tack fouls against him, because he gets zero respect from officials. And if a rebound isn't right at him, he's not getting it. They got rid of dead weight and got a guy they will either take off the books and save some cap space on sooner than they would've with Collins. Or maybe it will be a guy that rediscovers his game a little and helps them out. Either way, the trade was a no-brainer. It's not Neil Allen for Keith Hernandez or Kidd for Marbury, but it's a trade that improves the team a little bit, end of story. The great thing is we no longer have to debate and complain about J.C., this team is bad enough without him. And yeah, he got a lot of unfair blame. But a lot of it was also fair. And p.s., he'll be out of the league after next year, watch.</div> Collins was not "schooled" by anyone except Garnett this year. Collins shut down Al Jefferson and Dwight Howard this year. Even IF, and that's a BIG IF, Swift is a better overall player, my argument is that he is not a better FIT FOR THE NETS. That's all I'm saying. Just like when I say Vince Carter is not a good fit for Jason Kidd, I am NOT saying Vince Carter is a bad player. Collins brings something more unique to the table than Swift. Who can actually stop Dwight Howard, Shaq, Al Jefferson, Big Baby, Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, Big Z, Jermain O'Neal, etc? Swift, Williams, and Boone are too light/weak. Magloire should be able to, but hasn't. </div> al jefferson went for 40/20 and i beleiuve dwight had one bad game but he DOMINATED the other one, something to the tune of 25/17. if he did such a good job, he would have been in the game longer but he played limites minutes in minny and he did play vs. orlando. </div> Jizzy, I like you, but you have NO credibility and your opinion is worthless. Why don't you go through the game logs, calculate how Jefferson and Howard did with Collins in the game, and get back to us? I'm tired of doing this, and I'm not going to do it anymore. </div> Jason Collins was not a good fit for Jason Kidd. Period. He doesn't fit into the uptempo game which is Kidd's strengths and he is such a detriment offensively that his defense doesnt matter. Anyway his defense is overrated anyway...a few years ago maybe but now he's not that much of a better defender than Boone anyway. For a guy who plays barely 15 minutes a night everyone is making way to big of a deal about this trade. If Stro bombs and he doesn't play we'll barely feel it...if however he can finally touch even 45% of his potential than this deal is a steal. Low risk, High reward...why complain?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 4 2008, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 4 2008, 07:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 4 2008, 06:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Feb 4 2008, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (footswalker @ Feb 4 2008, 03:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So, wait, basketball isn't baseball? That's profound. To finish up on this. Collins wasn't even playing anymore, so he wasn't "allowing" them to do anything, as you say, so that point is moot. On offense, he sets a high screen and stands there. He can't roll to the hoop and he can't pop out for a J. Worthless. As a specialist defender, give me a break. He's able to stand in one place and take an occasional charge, basically because he can't move. He got schooled this year by tons of players, including Eddy Curry, who he's supposedly a specialist against. He also gets tons of ticky tack fouls against him, because he gets zero respect from officials. And if a rebound isn't right at him, he's not getting it. They got rid of dead weight and got a guy they will either take off the books and save some cap space on sooner than they would've with Collins. Or maybe it will be a guy that rediscovers his game a little and helps them out. Either way, the trade was a no-brainer. It's not Neil Allen for Keith Hernandez or Kidd for Marbury, but it's a trade that improves the team a little bit, end of story. The great thing is we no longer have to debate and complain about J.C., this team is bad enough without him. And yeah, he got a lot of unfair blame. But a lot of it was also fair. And p.s., he'll be out of the league after next year, watch.</div> Collins was not "schooled" by anyone except Garnett this year. Collins shut down Al Jefferson and Dwight Howard this year. Even IF, and that's a BIG IF, Swift is a better overall player, my argument is that he is not a better FIT FOR THE NETS. That's all I'm saying. Just like when I say Vince Carter is not a good fit for Jason Kidd, I am NOT saying Vince Carter is a bad player. Collins brings something more unique to the table than Swift. Who can actually stop Dwight Howard, Shaq, Al Jefferson, Big Baby, Elton Brand, Tim Duncan, Yao Ming, Big Z, Jermain O'Neal, etc? Swift, Williams, and Boone are too light/weak. Magloire should be able to, but hasn't. </div> al jefferson went for 40/20 and i beleiuve dwight had one bad game but he DOMINATED the other one, something to the tune of 25/17. if he did such a good job, he would have been in the game longer but he played limites minutes in minny and he did play vs. orlando. </div> Jizzy, I like you, but you have NO credibility and your opinion is worthless. Why don't you go through the game logs, calculate how Jefferson and Howard did with Collins in the game, and get back to us? I'm tired of doing this, and I'm not going to do it anymore. </div> Jason Collins was not a good fit for Jason Kidd. Period. He doesn't fit into the uptempo game which is Kidd's strengths and he is such a detriment offensively that his defense doesnt matter. Anyway his defense is overrated anyway...a few years ago maybe but now he's not that much of a better defender than Boone anyway. For a guy who plays barely 15 minutes a night everyone is making way to big of a deal about this trade. If Stro bombs and he doesn't play we'll barely feel it...if however he can finally touch even 45% of his potential than this deal is a steal. Low risk, High reward...why complain? </div> seriously, he was hardly playing before this trade and furnace makes it seem as ifwe just lost our chances at the playoffs, lmao
