<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 3 2008, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That is a perfect recipe for sloppy, mistake filled play with crappy effort on the defensive end.</div> That is the most disconcerting thing about Thorn's failure. RJ went from being one of the hardest working, hardest playing, most intense competitors in the NBA to a slacking wiseass who cares more about his stat line than winning games. That's inexcusable. Then for Thorn to not even be able to use those stats to TRADE HIM AT HIS HIGHEST VALUE just leaves me slack-jawed. Is Thorn accountable to anyone at all?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 3 2008, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 3 2008, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Poor construction only takes you so far. A team with Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, and Richard Jefferson should not be playing as sloppy, with as many mistakes, and with as little effort (especially on the defensive end), as this team does.</div> The above comment demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the NBA game. That is a perfect recipe for sloppy, mistake filled play with crappy effort on the defensive end. Frank's coaching has taken the Nets furher the last few seasons than the on paper roster had any business being. </div> Through two decades of watching basketball, I am pretty confident in my understanding of the NBA game. I understand and acknowledge the problem with the Nets roster. Still, if you believe that a team with three max (or near max players), is over achieving playing .500 to sub .500 ball in a horrible conference, we REALLY disagree with the talent on the Nets roster.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 3 2008, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 3 2008, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That is a perfect recipe for sloppy, mistake filled play with crappy effort on the defensive end.</div> That is the most disconcerting thing about Thorn's failure. RJ went from being one of the hardest working, hardest playing, most intense competitors in the NBA to a slacking wiseass who cares more about his stat line than winning games. That's inexcusable. Then for Thorn to not even be able to use those stats to TRADE HIM AT HIS HIGHEST VALUE just leaves me slack-jawed. Is Thorn accountable to anyone at all? </div> Thorn is right up there with Frank in my book. His mismanagement of the Nets, coaches and players, has put the team in a horrible position. If it wasn't for the finals runs, he wouldn't still be here. As for RJ, his game has simply mirrored that of the other two Nets stars over the past couple seasons.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 3 2008, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 3 2008, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 3 2008, 07:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Poor construction only takes you so far. A team with Jason Kidd, Vince Carter, and Richard Jefferson should not be playing as sloppy, with as many mistakes, and with as little effort (especially on the defensive end), as this team does.</div> The above comment demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of the NBA game. That is a perfect recipe for sloppy, mistake filled play with crappy effort on the defensive end. Frank's coaching has taken the Nets furher the last few seasons than the on paper roster had any business being. </div> Through two decades of watching basketball, I am pretty confident in my understanding of the NBA game. I understand and acknowledge the problem with the Nets roster. Still, if you believe that a team with three max (or near max players), is over achieving playing .500 to sub .500 ball in a horrible conference, we REALLY disagree with the talent on the Nets roster. </div> This isn't about the generic construct of three players making X amount should equal such and such record. Rather, this is about the mixing of these three players and where they are in their career.
Maybe not the biggest mistake thorn has made but i damn sure would rather have Scott on that bench than Frank. Anyone that disagrees is either slow or lying.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SUPERB @ Feb 4 2008, 04:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe not the biggest mistake thorn has made but i damn sure would rather have Scott on that bench than Frank. Anyone that disagrees is either slow or lying.</div> And....no. Again motivation is only an aspect of a coach. If it was the only aspect that determines a coach, then there would be no difference between Scott and Riley.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 3 2008, 08:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 3 2008, 07:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In 2001 and 2002, Jason Kidd was the best player in the NBA. He was better and more important to his team than LeBron is right now. Do the Nets have the best player in the NBA now? Anyone in top 20? Top 50? This argument is ridiculous.</div> Again, am I asking the for the Nets to be competing with the Celtics? No, not at all. Am I asking for the Nets to be better than 20-27 (in the EC none the less) and being swept by the Knicks? Absolutely. </div> The Nets should be better, eh? They call that the "Vince Carter effect." Everyone on our team is either on their rookie contract or overpaid. Don't perceive the contracts of our players to be representative of their talent level. If you really expected a Vince Carter team to OVERACHIEVE, then you must have anterograde amnesia, like the guy in Memento. Add on to that the fact that Kidd's knees have turned him into a terrible shooter and turnover machine mean that this team isn't really underachieving. They're just achieving.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 3 2008, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 3 2008, 08:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That is a perfect recipe for sloppy, mistake filled play with crappy effort on the defensive end.</div> That is the most disconcerting thing about Thorn's failure. RJ went from being one of the hardest working, hardest playing, most intense competitors in the NBA to a slacking wiseass who cares more about his stat line than winning games. That's inexcusable. Then for Thorn to not even be able to use those stats to TRADE HIM AT HIS HIGHEST VALUE just leaves me slack-jawed. Is Thorn accountable to anyone at all? </div> Let's be fair. When he was one of the hardest-working win-now players in the NBA, he was still a wiseass. He's always been a wiseass. That's one of my favorite things about him. I have no doubt that RJ's play is a product of his environment, and that his win-first persona would quickly be salvaged by a new locker room culture, either here or with another team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SUPERB @ Feb 4 2008, 04:57 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe not the biggest mistake thorn has made but i damn sure would rather have Scott on that bench than Frank. Anyone that disagrees is either slow or lying.</div> Obviously you are talking about both Scott and Frank being in uniform on the bench. Because yeah, Scott is a much better basketball player than Frank.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 2 2008, 05:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 2 2008, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Pat Riley must be a really shitty motivator, because his team has Dwyane Wade and is 9-36.</div> Riley is having a bad season, but has proven on more than one occasion that he is capable of motivating a team to the highest level. Frank can barely get the Nets to .500 in a weak conference. </div> To be fair. it's not like the Nets were lighting the world on fire when Scott was canned either. -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rory @ Feb 2 2008, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There's been a bunch of these threads since the Hornets are hot. And I'm firmly anti-Scott. But, here's a deal: if the Hornets get past the second round of the playoffs, I'll admit I was 100% wrong and never post a bad thing about him as a coach again. And, conversely, all pro-Scott people have to do the same thing if they do not make it past the second round. Sound fair?</div> Ahh...I can keep bashing Scott! Frank has never lost a playoff series where he had home-court advantage.
