The guy just slayed an 18-0 undefeated team, Won the SB against that team, and was the game's MVP. If he never repeats what he did this season, I still think that this is enough to put him in, and quickly. thoughts?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Feb 4 2008, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not even close....but hes already more qualified than a few current HOF'rs....Namath comes to mind</div> If Namath gets in for 1 super bowl victory in which he didnt even break 200 yards or throw a TD, then certainly Manning gets in for actually coming through and leading his team to a miraculous victory. I dont see how namath can be in, and you keep Eli out.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bearsfan1 @ Feb 4 2008, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Feb 4 2008, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not even close....but hes already more qualified than a few current HOF'rs....Namath comes to mind</div> If Namath gets in for 1 super bowl victory in which he didnt even break 200 yards or throw a TD, then certainly Manning gets in for actually coming through and leading his team to a miraculous victory. I dont see how namath can be in, and you keep Eli out. </div> Well Eli has to at least remain in the league as long as Namath and put up some more stats like him, but I do think Namath lowered the Hall of Fame standard. At the moment though, he still has to play like this again in the future if he wants to get in on the first ballot. Good Luck Eazy E.
So if winning a Superbowl gets one into the Hall of Fame, does that mean Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson will one day wear the gold jacket? Ask about Eli Manning again in five or six years and we'll re-visit this topic.
^ Obviously they're referring to the way he carried them in the clutch. I still think he's got a long way to go. This is a great step, but I'm hoping he builds off this and shows more consistency and assertiveness in '08.
Eli didn't win the game. Their defense won it. Simple as that. Put their defensive players in the HOF.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Feb 4 2008, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Eli didn't win the game. Their defense won it. Simple as that. Put their defensive players in the HOF.</div> Eli had great stats in the game, he had just as big a role.
I would say that given the strength of his opponent, and his game MVP, Eli is now at least 75% of the way to getting his bust in Canton. All he really needs to do to seal the deal is put up consistant, solid QB numbers the rest of the way. He already won the big game, and boy was it a big game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (huevonkiller @ Feb 4 2008, 02:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bearsfan1 @ Feb 4 2008, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Feb 4 2008, 05:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not even close....but hes already more qualified than a few current HOF'rs....Namath comes to mind</div> If Namath gets in for 1 super bowl victory in which he didnt even break 200 yards or throw a TD, then certainly Manning gets in for actually coming through and leading his team to a miraculous victory. I dont see how namath can be in, and you keep Eli out. </div> Well Eli has to at least remain in the league as long as Namath and put up some more stats like him, but I do think Namath lowered the Hall of Fame standard. At the moment though, he still has to play like this again in the future if he wants to get in on the first ballot. Good Luck Eazy E. </div> So he has to throw 60 more ints than tds, and have his knees break down after 4 more seasons? I think he can manage that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CelticKing @ Feb 4 2008, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Eli didn't win the game. Their defense won it. Simple as that. Put their defensive players in the HOF.</div> Ahhh the bitterness. BTW, Brady didnt win those super bowls with those drives either, it was the defense.
Its a bit early for this thread, isn't it? Namath made it to the HOF for the historical significance of his Super Bowl victory. I can see the argument for Manning's win being up there, but in my opinion, its not close. Namath's win changed the history of the game. Now that the Patriots have lost, their historical significance is greatly diminished. That said, if the Giants get to the playoffs a few more times in his career, and he plays steadily and as well as he has in this run, he'll be in, no doubt. Maybe he's the anti-Peyton. Average at best in the regular season and then terrific in the playoffs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (agoo101284 @ Feb 4 2008, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Its a bit early for this thread, isn't it? Namath made it to the HOF for the historical significance of his Super Bowl victory. I can see the argument for Manning's win being up there, but in my opinion, its not close. Namath's win changed the history of the game. Now that the Patriots have lost, their historical significance is greatly diminished. That said, if the Giants get to the playoffs a few more times in his career, and he plays steadily and as well as he has in this run, he'll be in, no doubt. Maybe he's the anti-Peyton. Average at best in the regular season and then terrific in the playoffs.</div> It's not too early for this thread. The NE Patriots were statistically the best *regular season* team that the league has ever witnessed. They won all 16 games, lost zero, and broke several regular season records that no one thought could be broken. Furthermore, they did this in this parity salary cap age, where it's not as easy to put together such a string of victories. They even cheated a little bit to get ahead. They were sitting at 18 straight wins going into this game, and who in Vegas gave them any chance of winning. Then, the Namath-like prediction by Plaxico before the game. This is BIGGER than Namath, and has much higher ramifications. For a *wildcard* team to march through the playoffs, like bounty hunters, and slay them, was an amazing feat. I don't think that any of you guys really have an appreciation for just how special that win was for NFL history. I know the Pats fans will try their best to diminish the victory, and wrongfully so. You all will figure it out over time, I'm confident. I'm not a fan of either team, but I certainly know when something big has just happened before my eyes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Feb 4 2008, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's not too early for this thread. The NE Patriots were statistically the best *regular season* team that the league has ever witnessed. They won all 16 games, lost zero, and broke several regular season records that no one thought could be broken. Furthermore, they did this in this parity salary cap age, where it's not as easy to put together such a string of victories. They even cheated a little bit to get ahead. They were sitting at 18 straight wins going into this game, and who in Vegas gave them any chance of winning. Then, the Namath-like prediction by Plaxico before the game. This is BIGGER than Namath, and has much higher ramifications. For a *wildcard* team to march through the playoffs, like bounty hunters, and slay them, was an amazing feat. I don't think that any of you guys really have an appreciation for just how special that win was for NFL history. I know the Pats fans will try their best to diminish the victory, and wrongfully so. You all will figure it out over time, I'm confident. I'm not a fan of either team, but I certainly know when something big has just happened before my eyes.</div> I'm not trying to diminish what Manning just did. I fully realize that the Patriots are with the Cowboys' dynasty as the best football teams that I will see in my lifetime (for the record, I about 14 months old when the 85 Bears happened, so they don't really count). The exception to that being last night. However, in the historical context, the Patriots are significantly diminished by losing this game. You and I understand what the Patriots did and just how good they were because we witnessed it. History isn't going to remember them as much as you and I will, because the Super Bowl being the 1 makes the 18 less relivent. If anything, what I am doing is downplaying what the Patriots did. This is not my intent as, despite a miserable loss, I am very proud of my team and the season they put together. My point is that this loss diminishes their long-term, historical position. The records won't go away, and neither will the undefeated regular season. However, they will be remembered more for the one and the poor performance in that one, than they will for the 18.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Return of the Raider @ Feb 4 2008, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (agoo101284 @ Feb 4 2008, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Its a bit early for this thread, isn't it? Namath made it to the HOF for the historical significance of his Super Bowl victory. I can see the argument for Manning's win being up there, but in my opinion, its not close. Namath's win changed the history of the game. Now that the Patriots have lost, their historical significance is greatly diminished. That said, if the Giants get to the playoffs a few more times in his career, and he plays steadily and as well as he has in this run, he'll be in, no doubt. Maybe he's the anti-Peyton. Average at best in the regular season and then terrific in the playoffs.</div> It's not too early for this thread. The NE Patriots were statistically the best *regular season* team that the league has ever witnessed. They won all 16 games, lost zero, and broke several regular season records that no one thought could be broken. Furthermore, they did this in this parity salary cap age, where it's not as easy to put together such a string of victories. They even cheated a little bit to get ahead. They were sitting at 18 straight wins going into this game, and who in Vegas gave them any chance of winning. Then, the Namath-like prediction by Plaxico before the game. This is BIGGER than Namath, and has much higher ramifications. For a *wildcard* team to march through the playoffs, like bounty hunters, and slay them, was an amazing feat. I don't think that any of you guys really have an appreciation for just how special that win was for NFL history. I know the Pats fans will try their best to diminish the victory, and wrongfully so. You all will figure it out over time, I'm confident. I'm not a fan of either team, but I certainly know when something big has just happened before my eyes. </div> I think you're spot on with how amazing this upset is. But I don't think we can push Eli into the Hall on the basis of this game, simply because it ignores how much of a team effort this was. Years from now, people should remember the '07 Giants upsetting the Pats, not Eli. The D-line, the coaching, the O-line, Tyree, etc, etc, all deserve as much credit as Eli. This is certainly an excellent performance to build a HoF resume around, but he still has to build off it for the rest of his career.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Feb 4 2008, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think you're spot on with how amazing this upset is. But I don't think we can push Eli into the Hall on the basis of this game, simply because it ignores how much of a team effort this was. Years from now, people should remember the '07 Giants upsetting the Pats, not Eli. The D-line, the coaching, the O-line, Tyree, etc, etc, all deserve as much credit as Eli. This is certainly an excellent performance to build a HoF resume around, but he still has to build off it for the rest of his career.</div> We won't have to push him into the Hall. If the guy just avoids being like the following two players, and doesn't completely stink up the place from here on out, I think that the voters will let him in. The two careers that he wants to *not* mimic are Terrell Davis and Larry Brown. Larry Brown was a Superbowl MVP, but then decided to not even try to play hard the rest of his career. Brown was just awful after that last Cowboys Superbowl, and everyone has already forgotten who he was. Eli can't be like Terrell Davis, who had a very short, but very good career. Davis' was cut short by injury, but there is great debate over whether or not he spent enough time to be considered a candidate. So if he follows up his MVP with a solid body of work the rest of the way, I think he's in.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TheBeef @ Feb 4 2008, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so as long as he can play 9 more years, throw 94 more TDs and 156 more ints, hes it!</div> As ridiculous at that sounds, yes . Like I said, Namath did lower the standard, if Eli just sticks around he's probably in. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (agoo101284 @ Feb 4 2008, 06:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Its a bit early for this thread, isn't it? Namath made it to the HOF for the historical significance of his Super Bowl victory. I can see the argument for Manning's win being up there, but in my opinion, its not close. Namath's win changed the history of the game. Now that the Patriots have lost, their historical significance is greatly diminished. That said, if the Giants get to the playoffs a few more times in his career, and he plays steadily and as well as he has in this run, he'll be in, no doubt. Maybe he's the anti-Peyton. Average at best in the regular season and then terrific in the playoffs.</div> Brady has been more average in the post-season than Manning according to the most important stat that leads to wins. He wasn't the reason why the Pats won 14 games in the regular season in 2003 and 2004 with that close to mediocre offense. He had an 18-0 team that limited their opponents to 17 points, and he still choked horrifically with the best receiving core in the game on a neutral site in perfect conditions. He struggles statistically in perfect conditions in the post-season as well, more than Peyton.
