Chemistry! What I said about the Collins vs Swift is right! (Merged)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (go nets @ Feb 5 2008, 08:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>this is a business! get over it! swift is a better player, collins is useless and the worst player in the nba. period</div>
Exactamundo. Get over it, it's done and he's a better player, and Collins crap contract is off the books a year early. Ha, I bet that quote was from Frank, lol, get him a Kleenex.

Trade used common sense and is a good thing. And if Swift shows some attitude and goes Latrell on Frank, then it becomes a great trade!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Feb 5 2008, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the trade was done because twin and his bad contract could not be traded since other teams do not want to pay $6M/yr for 2ppg and 2rpg no matter how much of the other things twin brings to the game...twin always becomes the deal-breaker in trade scenarios so thorn is thinking he may have better luck with the young and athletic stro...</div>

Hm. You've made a damn good point there, kudos to you.

If that was in fact the case, and there will be more trades (en route to a rebuilding), then I'll be okay with the Collins-for-Swift trade.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Feb 5 2008, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the trade was done because twin and his bad contract could not be traded since other teams do not want to pay $6M/yr for 2ppg and 2rpg no matter how much of the other things twin brings to the game...twin always becomes the deal-breaker in trade scenarios so thorn is thinking he may have better luck with the young and athletic stro...</div>



Basketball is more than a box score. More than any other professional sport, it is about chemistry and anticipation. Collins was the glue holding this team together, as evidenced by that quote from a Nets player.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"This trade sucks. It really sucks (bleep), man. And it really sucks the way it happened. For all the guy has given this team, they shouldn't have done it this way. I'm not saying the next guy can't help, I'm just saying Twin was a chemistry guy. We have lousy chemistry, and he's the only one who gives us some, so tell me how this makes sense? He's definitely one of those guys who is going to be missed with all the changes we're going to go through." And then, after a long pause, there was this incredulous muttering: "And we're trading him for a guy who was just suspended (for conduct detrimental)?"</div>



whoever said that comment should go along w/ Collins too, unfortunately we know Lawrence Frank will never be outed

 

It's funny when Twin was here everyone was screaming about how horrible he was so on and so forth no that he's gone everyone is complaining

 

that sounds exactly like richard jefferson!!!

 

From Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace to a small group of Season Tickets holders

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Collins is a student of the game. - When asked about the Stro-Collins trade, the most interesting comment was that Collins is a great student. CW said that on the flight to Memphis, Collins was studying his Griz Scouting Report written by the NJ Nets so he can be as prepared as possible. Can any Griz fan see Stro doing this? Didn't think so.</div>

http://3shadesofblue.blogspot.com/2008/02/...-to-ticket.html

 

Swift still has that thing called potential. All of us here know he's a bust, but he could have a decent game or two and fool some idiot GM (Isiah, for instance) into thinking that he turned it around. That's never going to happen w/ Collins.

 

Why the fuck are people complaining about this?

The team is going nowhere! who cares.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 6 2008, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>From Grizzlies GM Chris Wallace to a small group of Season Tickets holders

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Collins is a student of the game. - When asked about the Stro-Collins trade, the most interesting comment was that Collins is a great student. CW said that on the flight to Memphis, Collins was studying his Griz Scouting Report written by the NJ Nets so he can be as prepared as possible. Can any Griz fan see Stro doing this? Didn't think so.</div>

http://3shadesofblue.blogspot.com/2008/02/...-to-ticket.html
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Would be really funny if the Grizz start winning with Collins. And he still only puts up only 2/2.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 6 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift still has that thing called potential. All of us here know he's a bust, but he could have a decent game or two and fool some idiot GM (Isiah, for instance) into thinking that he turned it around. That's never going to happen w/ Collins.</div>

I'll trade Brandon Roy for Andrea Barganini's potential any day.

Or how about Shane Battier for Kwame Brown's potential?

There is a rare subset of players in the NBA who's first priority is making sure they do everything in their power to try and help their team win. Jason Collins was in that subset, and now we (probably) have no-one like that left.

The bottom-line is that those are exactly the type of locker room guys you want around when you're rebuilding. And we gave away our only one for a self-absorbed career loser.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 6 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 6 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift still has that thing called potential. All of us here know he's a bust, but he could have a decent game or two and fool some idiot GM (Isiah, for instance) into thinking that he turned it around. That's never going to happen w/ Collins.</div>

I'll trade Brandon Roy for Andrea Barganini's potential any day.

Or how about Shane Battier for Kwame Brown's potential?

There is a rare subset of players in the NBA who's first priority is making sure they do everything in their power to try and help their team win. Jason Collins was in that subset, and now we (probably) have no-one like that left.

The bottom-line is that those are exactly the type of locker room guys you want around when you're rebuilding. And we gave away our only one for a self-absorbed career loser.
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Well said.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netsfan318 @ Feb 6 2008, 01:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>"This trade sucks. It really sucks (bleep), man. And it really sucks the way it happened. For all the guy has given this team, they shouldn't have done it this way. I'm not saying the next guy can't help, I'm just saying Twin was a chemistry guy. We have lousy chemistry, and he's the only one who gives us some, so tell me how this makes sense? He's definitely one of those guys who is going to be missed with all the changes we're going to go through." And then, after a long pause, there was this incredulous muttering: "And we're trading him for a guy who was just suspended (for conduct detrimental)?"</div>



whoever said that comment should go along w/ Collins too, unfortunately we know Lawrence Frank will never be outed
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It was from a "teammate".

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 6 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 6 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift still has that thing called potential. All of us here know he's a bust, but he could have a decent game or two and fool some idiot GM (Isiah, for instance) into thinking that he turned it around. That's never going to happen w/ Collins.</div>

I'll trade Brandon Roy for Andrea Barganini's potential any day.

Or how about Shane Battier for Kwame Brown's potential?

There is a rare subset of players in the NBA who's first priority is making sure they do everything in their power to try and help their team win. Jason Collins was in that subset, and now we (probably) have no-one like that left.

The bottom-line is that those are exactly the type of locker room guys you want around when you're rebuilding. And we gave away our only one for a self-absorbed career loser.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say it was a great trade for the Nets. But if they are going to be trading away all of their older talent, I just think more teams would take a chance on Swift in some sort of package than accepting Collins.

For all of Jason Collins being such a great teammate, they were still losing a ton of games w/ him being a great guy on the end of the bench.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 6 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 6 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 6 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift still has that thing called potential. All of us here know he's a bust, but he could have a decent game or two and fool some idiot GM (Isiah, for instance) into thinking that he turned it around. That's never going to happen w/ Collins.</div>

I'll trade Brandon Roy for Andrea Barganini's potential any day.

Or how about Shane Battier for Kwame Brown's potential?

There is a rare subset of players in the NBA who's first priority is making sure they do everything in their power to try and help their team win. Jason Collins was in that subset, and now we (probably) have no-one like that left.

The bottom-line is that those are exactly the type of locker room guys you want around when you're rebuilding. And we gave away our only one for a self-absorbed career loser.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say it was a great trade for the Nets. But if they are going to be trading away all of their older talent, I just think more teams would take a chance on Swift in some sort of package than accepting Collins.

For all of Jason Collins being such a great teammate, they were still losing a ton of games w/ him being a great guy on the end of the bench.
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Collins was a great foundation. Even though the pyramid above him was crumbling, he would have been a great cornerstone to build from. Remove him now, the pyramid is still in shambles. The ruins will not look that different. But it will be much harder to rebuild the pyramid, especially if Kidd, RJ, and Boone are the other cornerstones.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Feb 6 2008, 01:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Feb 5 2008, 10:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the trade was done because twin and his bad contract could not be traded since other teams do not want to pay $6M/yr for 2ppg and 2rpg no matter how much of the other things twin brings to the game...twin always becomes the deal-breaker in trade scenarios so thorn is thinking he may have better luck with the young and athletic stro...</div>



Basketball is more than a box score. More than any other professional sport, it is about chemistry and anticipation. Collins was the glue holding this team together, as evidenced by that quote from a Nets player.


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If so, then he must have been some pretty shitty glue. Really, this team's chemistry was gone to begin with. Keeping or trading Collins isn't gonna change that one bit.

Just look at it this way, guys: We're on our way to rebuilding. It's easier to trade Swift than it is to trade Collins.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Feb 6 2008, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 6 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 6 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 6 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift still has that thing called potential. All of us here know he's a bust, but he could have a decent game or two and fool some idiot GM (Isiah, for instance) into thinking that he turned it around. That's never going to happen w/ Collins.</div>

I'll trade Brandon Roy for Andrea Barganini's potential any day.

Or how about Shane Battier for Kwame Brown's potential?

There is a rare subset of players in the NBA who's first priority is making sure they do everything in their power to try and help their team win. Jason Collins was in that subset, and now we (probably) have no-one like that left.

The bottom-line is that those are exactly the type of locker room guys you want around when you're rebuilding. And we gave away our only one for a self-absorbed career loser.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say it was a great trade for the Nets. But if they are going to be trading away all of their older talent, I just think more teams would take a chance on Swift in some sort of package than accepting Collins.

For all of Jason Collins being such a great teammate, they were still losing a ton of games w/ him being a great guy on the end of the bench.
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Collins was a great foundation. Even though the pyramid above him was crumbling, he would have been a great cornerstone to build from. Remove him now, the pyramid is still in shambles. The ruins will not look that different. But it will be much harder to rebuild the pyramid, especially if Kidd, RJ, and Boone are the other cornerstones.
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This is getting hilarious. Collins, a cornerstone to build from and around! A cornerstone??? It's like that Bob Marley line, "the stone that builder refuse, shall be the head cornerstone.." LOL. He's in a rare subset of players! LOL.

And now comparing Brandon Roy's and Shane Battier's skill set and value to Collins and whether he should be traded? That just put the cherry on top of your Full of B.S Sundae. You want sprinkles with that? You are entitled to your opinion, but wow, I think we need to revoke some posting rights after that one.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (furnace @ Feb 6 2008, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 6 2008, 12:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ Feb 6 2008, 11:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Charles @ Feb 6 2008, 10:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Swift still has that thing called potential. All of us here know he's a bust, but he could have a decent game or two and fool some idiot GM (Isiah, for instance) into thinking that he turned it around. That's never going to happen w/ Collins.</div>

I'll trade Brandon Roy for Andrea Barganini's potential any day.

Or how about Shane Battier for Kwame Brown's potential?

There is a rare subset of players in the NBA who's first priority is making sure they do everything in their power to try and help their team win. Jason Collins was in that subset, and now we (probably) have no-one like that left.

The bottom-line is that those are exactly the type of locker room guys you want around when you're rebuilding. And we gave away our only one for a self-absorbed career loser.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say it was a great trade for the Nets. But if they are going to be trading away all of their older talent, I just think more teams would take a chance on Swift in some sort of package than accepting Collins.

For all of Jason Collins being such a great teammate, they were still losing a ton of games w/ him being a great guy on the end of the bench.
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Collins was a great foundation. Even though the pyramid above him was crumbling, he would have been a great cornerstone to build from. Remove him now, the pyramid is still in shambles. The ruins will not look that different. But it will be much harder to rebuild the pyramid, especially if Kidd, RJ, and Boone are the other cornerstones.
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I'm gonnna have to disagree with you on that one. Collins was making way too much to be considered a foundation for rebuilding. If he were being paid the veterans minimum, then he would be great to have around. But his contract combined w/ the luxury tax puts the Nets in a real tight spot.

 

I cant believe ppl are complaining about this trade, they should be rejoicing.
Collins is garbage! How can ppl talk about chemistry when the guy only played 2 mins a night?!
-This is fuckin ridiculous <span style="color:#ff0000">-------- </span>about collins being a cornerstone and about him being the glue to this team.
-You actually have to be a contributing player to be any type of glue to a team especially one that was losing games with him on it.
-Swift hasnt even played a single game for the nets and you guys are knockin him for being an inferior player compared to collins, be fair wait and see how he plays.

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