<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Feb 8 2008, 10:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (downunderwonder @ Feb 8 2008, 10:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>"I dont want no scrub/scrub is a guy who cant get no love from me"</div> "hanging on the end of the bench, hollarin for pt" </div> ROFLMAO!! CLASSIC
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Feb 10 2008, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>[ and now you're attempting to say that I'm defending Thorn's FA signings, you're the one with poor reading comprehension.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>They did everything perfectly, actually they exceeded expectations. For less than a million they have a decent jump shooting big man.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Thorn didn't mess up with the Malik signing. He did what any other great GM would have.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Malik signing was absolutely excellent and intelligent.</div> If you are embarassed by something you've posted, just say you were wrong. It's just a basketball discussion. I've done it plenty of times. Ad Hominem just makes you look silly.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Feb 10 2008, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 10 2008, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's hard to discuss this with someone who has such poor reading comprehension. The crux is that you think that Allen would "destroy 90% of professional basketball players in the world", and I think that is a load of complete horse crap. You think he is "playing well" for his salary. I think he has one shaky skill and no potential to improve. That makes him a detriment. If you think Thorn's a genius for getting such a useful player for a million bucks, I'll never agree with you. Allen is a minus player. He contributes only to losing.</div> Are you 12? Lame insult after lame insult. Reading comprehension? Are you kidding? Every time I answer your point directly you go completely off topic (aka "dirty trick"), you "paraphrase" without even paraphrasing (seriously, look up what paraphrasing means. Copying is a totally different word), or you throw in an insult. We can disagree about how Allen would do vs. competition outside of the NBA. But there are lots of players who were rejected from the NBA who are doing just fine over the seas. On the same note, there are also several great, even legendary European players who barely make the 8th man role with an NBA club: for example: Sarunas Jasikevicius, Vassilis Spanoulis or Zhizhi. Yeah, Allen is a minus player. But he's a minus player in the NBA. The average salary of an NBA player is probably around... $4M? That generally implies that players who make more should be the plus players, while players who make less than that should be minus players. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Just keep defending Thorn and his philosophies and stellar free agent record. He really deserves such a passionate effort.</div> Wait, you're saying I have poor reading comprehension? Yeah. Considering about 5 posts ago I said: Thorn's bench IS a joke. and now you're attempting to say that I'm defending Thorn's FA signings, you're the one with poor reading comprehension. So far you haven't made a single point outside of stating your opinion "Malik sucks" and "almost any college player could do better". Considering you can't read (see above), and you can't keep personal insults out of a discussion on a message board, I'm going to assume that your intelligence is severely lacking compared to the 30 GMs of the NBA. If it was as easy as you claim, someone would have realized it by now. Since they didn't, it's logical to say that you're wrong. </div> Astral give it a rest... Your nitpicking is annoying and you fail to realise the rest of us have moved on from that part of the arguement. You both have valid points but man your tangents are, whilst being factual, pointless. Relax, go get a coke... do something. But stop clogging this thread. Thank you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 10 2008, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Feb 10 2008, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>[ and now you're attempting to say that I'm defending Thorn's FA signings, you're the one with poor reading comprehension.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>They did everything perfectly, actually they exceeded expectations. For less than a million they have a decent jump shooting big man.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Thorn didn't mess up with the Malik signing. He did what any other great GM would have.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Malik signing was absolutely excellent and intelligent.</div> If you are embarassed by something you've posted, just say you were wrong. It's just a basketball discussion. I've done it plenty of times. Ad Hominem just makes you look silly. </div> I feel so bad and immature doing this. But it must be done, and I know all of you would do the same for me. And don't take this too seriously, Astral, all in good fun!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 11 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ok, I know I'm an old man and all, but what the heck does "PWNED" mean, anyway?</div> It means the same thing as "owned" basically. Which means the same thing as "served" or "spanked". Kinda like a derisive victory chant ;p
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stromile6 @ Feb 11 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 11 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ok, I know I'm an old man and all, but what the heck does "PWNED" mean, anyway?</div> It means the same thing as "owned" basically. Which means the same thing as "served" or "spanked". Kinda like a derisive victory chant ;p </div> yeah, I get "owned," by why is there a "p" in there? What does it stand for?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 11 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ok, I know I'm an old man and all, but what the heck does "PWNED" mean, anyway?</div> something only homo losers say after everytime someone gets OWNED
Sometimes I don't understand people. Outside of message boards I make an on topic argument and people can judge and see what's said. On message boards, some fool who doesn't provide a single fact except for proof that he's an immature retard, and I get "pwned". Yeah, ghoti really won the argument. His plethora of facts to support his argument was so great, I missed them all. Fact: Allen averages 14ppg/6.7rpg/1.5apg/.7spg/1bpg per 40 mins while shooting 48%FG and 92%FT . For a salary of less than a million, that's probably 95th percentile. Yeah yeah, bad defense, no effort, whatever. Tough luck. Half of the NBA players have bad defense and give crappy effort. Urgh. No wonder this board used to be known as the trash of the forums. There are 3 or 4 people here worth reading. P.S. He started "nitpicking" my posts. Take your head out of your ass, put down your homer glasses and maybe then you can use those two orbs in the middle of your head.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Feb 11 2008, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No wonder this board used to be known as the trash of the forums.</div> hmm... you enlightened me on this one
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Feb 11 2008, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sometimes I don't understand people. Outside of message boards I make an on topic argument and people can judge and see what's said. On message boards, some fool who doesn't provide a single fact except for proof that he's an immature retard, and I get "pwned". Yeah, ghoti really won the argument. His plethora of facts to support his argument was so great, I missed them all. Fact: Allen averages 14ppg/6.7rpg/1.5apg/.7spg/1bpg per 40 mins while shooting 48%FG and 92%FT . For a salary of less than a million, that's probably 95th percentile. Yeah yeah, bad defense, no effort, whatever. Tough luck. Half of the NBA players have bad defense and give crappy effort. Urgh. No wonder this board used to be known as the trash of the forums. There are 3 or 4 people here worth reading. P.S. He started "nitpicking" my posts. Take your head out of your ass, put down your homer glasses and maybe then you can use those two orbs in the middle of your head.</div> Except that fact: Allen's bad defense isn't overcome by 14/7/2. We don't get the luxury of these numbers. He's a guy who still plays the same putrid defense, though. But hey if you want to base your opinion on some fantasy version of Malik Allen, be my guest. That's not the league we're talking about, nor the team; nor is it the player who suits up and gets solid bench minutes from us every night. Bringing that up is irrelevant, and unproductive toward any meaningful exchange of opinions.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Feb 11 2008, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sometimes I don't understand people. Outside of message boards I make an on topic argument and people can judge and see what's said. On message boards, some fool who doesn't provide a single fact except for proof that he's an immature retard, and I get "pwned". Yeah, ghoti really won the argument. His plethora of facts to support his argument was so great, I missed them all. Fact: Allen averages 14ppg/6.7rpg/1.5apg/.7spg/1bpg per 40 mins while shooting 48%FG and 92%FT . For a salary of less than a million, that's probably 95th percentile. Yeah yeah, bad defense, no effort, whatever. Tough luck. Half of the NBA players have bad defense and give crappy effort. Urgh. No wonder this board used to be known as the trash of the forums. There are 3 or 4 people here worth reading. P.S. He started "nitpicking" my posts. Take your head out of your ass, put down your homer glasses and maybe then you can use those two orbs in the middle of your head.</div> Ooh, let me nitpick! Me! ME! --Allen averages one free throw every three games. That is not an exageration. This raises two points: (1) He does not drive to the hoop, which is inexcusable for a big man; and (2) at that rate, his 92% FT% is IRRELEVANT. --Allen would average approximately five PFs every 40 minutes. Now, I've forgotten most everything I ever learned about statisitics and standard distributions and confidence intervals, but I'm guessing that he'd foul out of about 1/3 of all games before he ever reached 40 minutes--so using a 40 minute standard is IRRELEVANT. --Remember Malik Allen used to start? He was pretty capable as a starter: 7.1 points and 3.9 rebounds 20 minutes on 53% shooting. That isn't bad, however, let's call a spade a spade: the guy should be a reserve, is currently a reserve, and should remain a reserve. In that role, he has been pathetic: 5.0 points on 45% shooting, 2.3 rebounds, 0.4 assists, 0.4 steals, a ridiculous 1.8 PFs in 14:35. Again, one FT every three games. --Malik Allen plays NO defense whatsoever. He can't box out. he is Cliff Robinson without the three-point shot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 11 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stromile6 @ Feb 11 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 11 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ok, I know I'm an old man and all, but what the heck does "PWNED" mean, anyway?</div> It means the same thing as "owned" basically. Which means the same thing as "served" or "spanked". Kinda like a derisive victory chant ;p </div> yeah, I get "owned," by why is there a "p" in there? What does it stand for? </div> I believe one time, someone pulled a typo, where someone hit the "p" instead of an "o"...and it just caught on like that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 11 2008, 10:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Astral @ Feb 11 2008, 08:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Sometimes I don't understand people. Outside of message boards I make an on topic argument and people can judge and see what's said. On message boards, some fool who doesn't provide a single fact except for proof that he's an immature retard, and I get "pwned". Yeah, ghoti really won the argument. His plethora of facts to support his argument was so great, I missed them all. Fact: Allen averages 14ppg/6.7rpg/1.5apg/.7spg/1bpg per 40 mins while shooting 48%FG and 92%FT . For a salary of less than a million, that's probably 95th percentile. Yeah yeah, bad defense, no effort, whatever. Tough luck. Half of the NBA players have bad defense and give crappy effort. Urgh. No wonder this board used to be known as the trash of the forums. There are 3 or 4 people here worth reading. P.S. He started "nitpicking" my posts. Take your head out of your ass, put down your homer glasses and maybe then you can use those two orbs in the middle of your head.</div> Ooh, let me nitpick! Me! ME! --Allen averages one free throw every three games. That is not an exageration. This raises two points: (1) He does not drive to the hoop, which is inexcusable for a big man; and (2) at that rate, his 92% FT% is IRRELEVANT. --Allen would average approximately five PFs every 40 minutes. Now, I've forgotten most everything I ever learned about statisitics and standard distributions and confidence intervals, but I'm guessing that he'd foul out of about 1/3 of all games before he ever reached 40 minutes--so using a 40 minute standard is IRRELEVANT. --Remember Malik Allen used to start? He was pretty capable as a starter: 7.1 points and 3.9 rebounds 20 minutes on 53% shooting. That isn't bad, however, let's call a spade a spade: the guy should be a reserve, is currently a reserve, and should remain a reserve. In that role, he has been pathetic: 5.0 points on 45% shooting, 2.3 rebounds, 0.4 assists, 0.4 steals, a ridiculous 1.8 PFs in 14:35. Again, one FT every three games. --Malik Allen plays NO defense whatsoever. He can't box out. he is Cliff Robinson without the three-point shot. </div> Instead of actually defending, blocking, or taking a charge on his man when he gets the ball, he does 1 of 3 things: 1) Lets him shoot. 2) Lets him go by (for an open layup) 3) Fouls him (no matter who it is, or how good of a FT shooter that player is) Oh and Astral - ghoti is the farthest thing from a homer. Hell, only a homer would defend Malik Allen, or the signing of Allen! And by the way, you contradicted yourself quite a few times in this thread. Made yourself look silly.
I don't aim to "win arguments". I want to have "intelligent discussions". The only personal tidbit I posted is that Astral has poor reading comprehension, which wasn't meant as an attack. It was just a plea to read my posts and respond to what is actually in them. It's frustrating to discuss basketball with confrontational people who don't seem interested in doing that.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 11 2008, 08:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^ i didnt know that</div> I blame cpawfan.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 11 2008, 10:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 11 2008, 01:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Stromile6 @ Feb 11 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 11 2008, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ok, I know I'm an old man and all, but what the heck does "PWNED" mean, anyway?</div> It means the same thing as "owned" basically. Which means the same thing as "served" or "spanked". Kinda like a derisive victory chant ;p </div> yeah, I get "owned," by why is there a "p" in there? What does it stand for? </div> I believe one time, someone pulled a typo, where someone hit the "p" instead of an "o"...and it just caught on like that. </div> it was a typo on a video game, forgot which one