If Ratner made him sign Carter, Thorn should have showed some integrity and resigned. If Ratner had nothing to do with it, Thorn should be immediately fired.
I think one could argue they were on the same page about the signing. Rater needs a 'name' player to bring into Brooklyn, and Thorn needs another veteran to overpay.
as I said over and over Carter's contract is a joke. The Nets are aware they made a huge mistake. How do you sign a player in the summer for a total of four to five years and are open to trading him two months in to the season???????? If he didn't fit into the teams long term plans or if they were not that committed to him why give him that contract??? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I think one could argue they were on the same page about the signing. Rater needs a 'name' player to bring into Brooklyn, and Thorn needs another veteran to overpay.</div> By the time the team moves to Brooklyn where will Carter be in his career??? His popularity is not exactly high right now. I can understand if we were moving to Brooklyn in a year but this won't be till 2010. Someone will have to bite the bullet on this one.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Feb 9 2008, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think one could argue they were on the same page about the signing. Rater needs a 'name' player to bring into Brooklyn, and Thorn needs another veteran to overpay.</div> Right. Thorn is either incompetent or spineless. Either way he isn't doing what is best for the Nets franchise and their fans. Thorn makes me want to vomit.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 9 2008, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Feb 9 2008, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think one could argue they were on the same page about the signing. Rater needs a 'name' player to bring into Brooklyn, and Thorn needs another veteran to overpay.</div> Right. Thorn is either incompetent or spineless. Either way he isn't doing what is best for the Nets franchise and their fans. Thorn makes me want to vomit. </div> I think Thorn is doing what best for Thorn now. He keeps saying that he will not make a trade if it doesn't make sense. The only reason I feel Thorn is saying this because he does not want to be looked as Babcock, King or Thomas. Kidd needs to go and I understand waiting for the right offer but Kidd shoulda been traded this summer. No more tweaks or minor adjustments. Time for a full scrap.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 9 2008, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 9 2008, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Feb 9 2008, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think one could argue they were on the same page about the signing. Rater needs a 'name' player to bring into Brooklyn, and Thorn needs another veteran to overpay.</div> Right. Thorn is either incompetent or spineless. Either way he isn't doing what is best for the Nets franchise and their fans. Thorn makes me want to vomit. </div> I think Thorn is doing what best for Thorn now. He keeps saying that he will not make a trade if it doesn't make sense. The only reason I feel Thorn is saying this because he does not want to be looked as Babcock, King or Thomas. Kidd needs to go and I understand waiting for the right offer but Kidd shoulda been traded this summer. No more tweaks or minor adjustments. Time for a full scrap. </div> He only gets paid the remainder of his contract if he gets fired, not if he quits. I already think he's in that sorry group. In fact, add McHale and take out Babcock. Babcock made a trade with Thorn that bolstered the future of his club.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 9 2008, 11:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 9 2008, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 9 2008, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Feb 9 2008, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think one could argue they were on the same page about the signing. Rater needs a 'name' player to bring into Brooklyn, and Thorn needs another veteran to overpay.</div> Right. Thorn is either incompetent or spineless. Either way he isn't doing what is best for the Nets franchise and their fans. Thorn makes me want to vomit. </div> I think Thorn is doing what best for Thorn now. He keeps saying that he will not make a trade if it doesn't make sense. The only reason I feel Thorn is saying this because he does not want to be looked as Babcock, King or Thomas. Kidd needs to go and I understand waiting for the right offer but Kidd shoulda been traded this summer. No more tweaks or minor adjustments. Time for a full scrap. </div> He only gets paid the remainder of his contract if he gets fired, not if he quits. I already think he's in that sorry group. In fact, add McHale and take out Babcock. Babcock made a trade with Thorn that bolstered the future of his club. </div> my god how could I ever forget McHale????
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 9 2008, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If Ratner made him sign Carter, Thorn should have showed some integrity and resigned.</div> Lol, come on... If you were Ratner, and had the choice to 1. Obey your boss, and if the owner wants to spend the money the way he wants, then respect it. 2. Willingly leave a million dollar job, move your family to a different city, and most likely find a lesser job.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Feb 9 2008, 11:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 9 2008, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If Ratner made him sign Carter, Thorn should have showed some integrity and resigned.</div> Lol, come on... If you were Ratner, and had the choice to 1. Obey your boss, and if the owner wants to spend the money the way he wants, then respect it. 2. Willingly leave a million dollar job, move your family to a different city, and most likely find a lesser job. </div> Sickening. He's not a cashier at Wal-Mart, he's Rod freaking Thorn. You would think his reputation and integrity would be worth something to him.
How many GMs have we heard about them voluntarily leaving their job (for any reason at all) when they have no guaranteed replacement job?
ratner obviously told thorn to resign vinchenzo. i dont understand why we resigned him for so much however. no other team wanted him
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 9 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ratner obviously told thorn to resign vinchenzo. i dont understand why we resigned him for so much however. no other team wanted him</div> I wonder that too. Lewis went to the Magic and Bobcats traded for Richardson and paid Wallace.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 9 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>ratner obviously told thorn to resign vinchenzo. i dont understand why we resigned him for so much however. no other team wanted him</div> There wasn't a reasonable price or length of contract that would have been acceptable. Carter should have been traded last year for a bag of balls.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 9 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If Ratner made him sign Carter, Thorn should have showed some integrity and resigned. If Ratner had nothing to do with it, Thorn should be immediately fired.</div> But if we'd played hardball with Carter, we might have forced him into a shorter contract for less money! What if he took it personally? I mean, you need to think that a player in that situation might do a little bit less on effort plays like defense, or running the fast break. He might stop giving that little bit of extra effort that helps teams win. He might not play hard enough for us to be a championship-level team.
Major blah, blah, blah throughout this thread. Carter averaged 25/6/4 last year. With Krstic out and RJ playing at 70% when he played and at 0% for 21 games, he was the team's only legitimate scoring option. So this year, he gets hurt and is averaging a mere 21/5/5. He isn't demanding a trade. He isn't complaining and for all this hoot and holler about his contract, his salary isn't even in the top 35 this season. Ratner owns the team. He pays the bills. Of course, it was his decision. Are you that naive to think he let someone else commit $66 million of his money? You think he made this decision without running it through his vaunted marketing mechanism? Please. Moreover, you think this team's lack of success has to do with Carter?! Here's a bulletin for you: the bench sucks. You can start there. You want to blame Thorn and/or Ratner for something: blame them for wasting money--$5.5 million on Magloire, Allen and Armstrong. And don't give me all this wonder about Darrell Armstrong. He's 39 and can barely play 15 solid minutes a game. No one--let me repeat NO ONE--would give him guaranteed money this summer, not the Nets, not the Pacers, not the Mavs. Same goes for Allen. Nachbar has been inconsistent, to be kind. Williams has been hurt. Wright has been awful on offense and often hurt. They cannot shoot. Here's another: one starter and one key backup have yet to get into game shape after missing the first half of the season. Here's a third: the team captain demanded an $13 million extension, first faked a migraine in protest--knowing the team's first two backup PG's were out, then stopped caring and demanded a trade. You think Kidd would have demanded a trade if he had gotten that extension? You would be completely naive if you did. Until this board gets by conventional wisdom, it will not rise to its potential.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Feb 10 2008, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Major blah, blah, blah throughout this thread. Carter averaged 25/6/4 last year. With Krstic out and RJ playing at 70% when he played and at 0% for 21 games, he was the team's only legitimate scoring option. So this year, he gets hurt and is averaging a mere 21/5/5. He isn't demanding a trade. He isn't complaining and for all this hoot and holler about his contract, his salary isn't even in the top 35 this season. Ratner owns the team. He pays the bills. Of course, it was his decision. Are you that naive to think he let someone else commit $66 million of his money? You think he made this decision without running it through his vaunted marketing mechanism? Please. Moreover, you think this team's lack of success has to do with Carter?! Here's a bulletin for you: the bench sucks. You can start there. You want to blame Thorn and/or Ratner for something: blame them for wasting money--$5.5 million on Magloire, Allen and Armstrong. And don't give me all this wonder about Darrell Armstrong. He's 39 and can barely play 15 solid minutes a game. No one--let me repeat NO ONE--would give him guaranteed money this summer, not the Nets, not the Pacers, not the Mavs. Same goes for Allen. Nachbar has been inconsistent, to be kind. Williams has been hurt. Wright has been awful on offense and often hurt. They cannot shoot. Here's another: one starter and one key backup have yet to get into game shape after missing the first half of the season. Here's a third: the team captain demanded an $13 million extension, first faked a migraine in protest--knowing the team's first two backup PG's were out, then stopped caring and demanded a trade. You think Kidd would have demanded a trade if he had gotten that extension? You would be completely naive if you did. Until this board gets by conventional wisdom, it will not rise to its potential.</div> true and I agree kidd would not have demanded a trade if he would have gotten paid. the point is they signed the player for four to five years and in two months they're willing to trade him?? What's the point in signing him if your willing to trade him away. What has changed from the summer to the December. Did the Nets really expect to compete with Boston and Pistons??? Did they just realize that the big three does not work??
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Feb 10 2008, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Major blah, blah, blah throughout this thread. Carter averaged 25/6/4 last year. With Krstic out and RJ playing at 70% when he played and at 0% for 21 games, he was the team's only legitimate scoring option. So this year, he gets hurt and is averaging a mere 21/5/5. He isn't demanding a trade. He isn't complaining and for all this hoot and holler about his contract, his salary isn't even in the top 35 this season. Ratner owns the team. He pays the bills. Of course, it was his decision. Are you that naive to think he let someone else commit $66 million of his money? You think he made this decision without running it through his vaunted marketing mechanism? Please. Moreover, you think this team's lack of success has to do with Carter?! Here's a bulletin for you: the bench sucks. You can start there. You want to blame Thorn and/or Ratner for something: blame them for wasting money--$5.5 million on Magloire, Allen and Armstrong. And don't give me all this wonder about Darrell Armstrong. He's 39 and can barely play 15 solid minutes a game. No one--let me repeat NO ONE--would give him guaranteed money this summer, not the Nets, not the Pacers, not the Mavs. Same goes for Allen. Nachbar has been inconsistent, to be kind. Williams has been hurt. Wright has been awful on offense and often hurt. They cannot shoot. Here's another: one starter and one key backup have yet to get into game shape after missing the first half of the season. Here's a third: the team captain demanded an $13 million extension, first faked a migraine in protest--knowing the team's first two backup PG's were out, then stopped caring and demanded a trade. You think Kidd would have demanded a trade if he had gotten that extension? You would be completely naive if you did. Until this board gets by conventional wisdom, it will not rise to its potential.</div> You know some people on this board can't go a day with out blaming Carter for this teams poor record , for Kidd wanting a trade and so on and so on Blame Carter for everything wrong with the world
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JAMES.SLIMM @ Feb 10 2008, 01:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Feb 10 2008, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Major blah, blah, blah throughout this thread. Carter averaged 25/6/4 last year. With Krstic out and RJ playing at 70% when he played and at 0% for 21 games, he was the team's only legitimate scoring option. So this year, he gets hurt and is averaging a mere 21/5/5. He isn't demanding a trade. He isn't complaining and for all this hoot and holler about his contract, his salary isn't even in the top 35 this season. Ratner owns the team. He pays the bills. Of course, it was his decision. Are you that naive to think he let someone else commit $66 million of his money? You think he made this decision without running it through his vaunted marketing mechanism? Please. Moreover, you think this team's lack of success has to do with Carter?! Here's a bulletin for you: the bench sucks. You can start there. You want to blame Thorn and/or Ratner for something: blame them for wasting money--$5.5 million on Magloire, Allen and Armstrong. And don't give me all this wonder about Darrell Armstrong. He's 39 and can barely play 15 solid minutes a game. No one--let me repeat NO ONE--would give him guaranteed money this summer, not the Nets, not the Pacers, not the Mavs. Same goes for Allen. Nachbar has been inconsistent, to be kind. Williams has been hurt. Wright has been awful on offense and often hurt. They cannot shoot. Here's another: one starter and one key backup have yet to get into game shape after missing the first half of the season. Here's a third: the team captain demanded an $13 million extension, first faked a migraine in protest--knowing the team's first two backup PG's were out, then stopped caring and demanded a trade. You think Kidd would have demanded a trade if he had gotten that extension? You would be completely naive if you did. Until this board gets by conventional wisdom, it will not rise to its potential.</div> You know some people on this board can't go a day with out blaming Carter for this teams poor record , for Kidd wanting a trade and so on and so on Blame Carter for everything wrong with the world </div> Read thread title. Who am I blaming?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NetIncome @ Feb 10 2008, 01:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Major blah, blah, blah throughout this thread. Carter averaged 25/6/4 last year. With Krstic out and RJ playing at 70% when he played and at 0% for 21 games, he was the team's only legitimate scoring option. So this year, he gets hurt and is averaging a mere 21/5/5. He isn't demanding a trade. He isn't complaining and for all this hoot and holler about his contract, his salary isn't even in the top 35 this season. Ratner owns the team. He pays the bills. Of course, it was his decision. Are you that naive to think he let someone else commit $66 million of his money? You think he made this decision without running it through his vaunted marketing mechanism? Please. Moreover, you think this team's lack of success has to do with Carter?! Here's a bulletin for you: the bench sucks. You can start there. You want to blame Thorn and/or Ratner for something: blame them for wasting money--$5.5 million on Magloire, Allen and Armstrong. And don't give me all this wonder about Darrell Armstrong. He's 39 and can barely play 15 solid minutes a game. No one--let me repeat NO ONE--would give him guaranteed money this summer, not the Nets, not the Pacers, not the Mavs. Same goes for Allen. Nachbar has been inconsistent, to be kind. Williams has been hurt. Wright has been awful on offense and often hurt. They cannot shoot. Here's another: one starter and one key backup have yet to get into game shape after missing the first half of the season. Here's a third: the team captain demanded an $13 million extension, first faked a migraine in protest--knowing the team's first two backup PG's were out, then stopped caring and demanded a trade. You think Kidd would have demanded a trade if he had gotten that extension? You would be completely naive if you did. Until this board gets by conventional wisdom, it will not rise to its potential.</div> Hey, if you want Thorn fired because of the bench, I'm right there with you. You want him gone because he wasted Kidd's championship years and made him into a bitter, disgruntled pain in the ass? Also fine. Those things were less forseeable and a lot easier to fix than Carter's albatross of an escalating contract, though. That was just blatant stupidity no matter who was behind it.
