Kidd Agent: Trade My Client to a Contender…or Else

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 11 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 11 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Feb 11 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Owners and GMs aren't going to put up with that type of non-sense from a sports agent. Neither will the players union.</div>

I'm really confused as to why you believe this does already go on today. This is standard practice and it is this type of power that wins clients for agents.
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whether it is standard practice or not, by going public with the demand he has opened up a potential can of worms. If he is an attorney, he could potentially be censured or even disbarred. His SOLE interest is to do what is in the interest of his client--not what is in his OWN interest or in the interest of a DIFFERENT client. I am quite confident that he has violated the attorney's code of ethics--assuming he is one, of course. I guess the question is whether he has violated an ethical rule by just making this threat, or if the violation would only come when carrying it out.
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He didn't go public with this as it was Nets sources that leaked this to the media.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Nets sources said the message came with the warning that Schwartz will steer other clients away from New Jersey in the future if they try to send Kidd to a lottery team.</div>

You are a lawyer, so I'll trust your judgment on this, but I don't see how leaked information from a biased party could lead to censure.

Thorn is trying to play chicken with Kidd through the media. Kidd wants to be traded so bad that he is trying to force Ratner to say, get rid of him while Thorn is trying to embarrass Kidd and gain the sympathy of the fans when he fails again and doesn't trade Kidd.

 

Why don't the Nets just blow it up like the Heat and Grizzlies? They're clearly going nowhere, so just blow it up, trade away your superstars and start from scratch. They can't get any worse. Plus, what's the point of making the playoffs as the 7 or 8 seed, only to get swept by Detroit or Boston in the first round? If you're going to suck, might as well get a lottery pick out of it instead of another first round exit.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 11 2008, 01:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 11 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 11 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Feb 11 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Owners and GMs aren't going to put up with that type of non-sense from a sports agent. Neither will the players union.</div>

I'm really confused as to why you believe this does already go on today. This is standard practice and it is this type of power that wins clients for agents.
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whether it is standard practice or not, by going public with the demand he has opened up a potential can of worms. If he is an attorney, he could potentially be censured or even disbarred. His SOLE interest is to do what is in the interest of his client--not what is in his OWN interest or in the interest of a DIFFERENT client. I am quite confident that he has violated the attorney's code of ethics--assuming he is one, of course. I guess the question is whether he has violated an ethical rule by just making this threat, or if the violation would only come when carrying it out.
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He didn't go public with this as it was Nets sources that leaked this to the media.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Nets sources said the message came with the warning that Schwartz will steer other clients away from New Jersey in the future if they try to send Kidd to a lottery team.</div>

You are a lawyer, so I'll trust your judgment on this, but I don't see how leaked information from a biased party could lead to censure.

Thorn is trying to play chicken with Kidd through the media. Kidd wants to be traded so bad that he is trying to force Ratner to say, get rid of him while Thorn is trying to embarrass Kidd and gain the sympathy of the fans when he fails again and doesn't trade Kidd.
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Like every other lgal issue, I'm sure there is a lot of "it depends" loaded in the answer. However, regardless of whether MAKING the threat was unethical, if actually following through with this threat would be unethical, it would seem to be a potential source of embarassment even to just point that out. I know very little about attorney ethics, partially because there are different, very specific rules that apply to me and people like me.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Moo2K4 @ Feb 11 2008, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why don't the Nets just blow it up like the Heat and Grizzlies? They're clearly going nowhere, so just blow it up, trade away your superstars and start from scratch. They can't get any worse. Plus, what's the point of making the playoffs as the 7 or 8 seed, only to get swept by Detroit or Boston in the first round? If you're going to suck, might as well get a lottery pick out of it instead of another first round exit.</div>

Me you and the contractor know this is the best course of action, the guy that counts, doesn't see it. He keeps pridefully quoting the Nets 6 consecutive years of postseason appearances as reason enough to keep the team intact.

Look who got Oden last year. A few lucky drops of a few balls, who knows Beasley or Derrick Rose lands in your lap. These high picks have good value. Boston was able to pluck Ray Allen with what the 6th pick? I mean it's time to sell, sell VC and Kidd. Blow it up, assure yourself of a lottery pick, start over again.

 

What free agents has he steered towards the Nets?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Moo2K4 @ Feb 11 2008, 01:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why don't the Nets just blow it up like the Heat and Grizzlies? They're clearly going nowhere, so just blow it up, trade away your superstars and start from scratch. They can't get any worse. Plus, what's the point of making the playoffs as the 7 or 8 seed, only to get swept by Detroit or Boston in the first round? If you're going to suck, might as well get a lottery pick out of it instead of another first round exit.</div>
I don't consider getting Shawn Marion that bad of a blow up. Memphis blew it up and evryone around the league is still scratching their heads on that one.

Memphis has been rebuilding since they were born. Bad franchise with other issues (a sale) at play.

 

I'm sure his other clients are all going to love that there will be at least one less team bidding for their services, ie getting them smaller contracts instead of bigger contracts. That makes a ton of sense.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 11 2008, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Here is a list of his clients:

http://hoopshype.com/agents/jeff_schwartz.htm

-Petey</div>
Very interesting. Some of the key players mentioned in trades involving Kidd are Schwartz clients: Odom, Stackhouse, and Jack.

 

you know what I find amazing if this was Kobe or Vince they would have been destroyed in the media.

I remembering watching NBA Fastbreak on ESPN they were trying to spend Kidd request to be traded as he was doing what's best for the team.

Saying "Kidd figures since he has the less years left on his contract he should be the one traded instead of RJ VC."

Pure Shullbit.

Why does Kidd get this benefit of the doubt

 

why the hell do we care? If this is how he's going to act, do we even want one of his clients on this team? I know if I was Thorn I wouldn't want to have to deal with him again.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Feb 11 2008, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 11 2008, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Shapecity @ Feb 11 2008, 12:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Owners and GMs aren't going to put up with that type of non-sense from a sports agent. Neither will the players union.</div>

I'm really confused as to why you believe this does already go on today. This is standard practice and it is this type of power that wins clients for agents.
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I haven't seen it done in public before. I'm sure behind the scenes there's a lot of posturing and side deals. I know for a fact those go on, but this is new precedent for an agent to go public and say he'll advise his current and future agents from joining the Nets.

I don't even think Drew Rosenhaus has gone this far yet.
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If you read the article, you'll see that the agent didn't go public. Rather it was the Nets front office that leaked this to the media.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jtballa2o1 @ Feb 11 2008, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Does this guy know who hes messin with?? ROD FU**IN THORN, THATS WHO. This guy sent a pissed Alonzo to a bad Raptor team and got back VC. This guy means business if he cant find a trade to a contender, he cant find one!</div>
Agreed. Don't mess with Throntron.

 

Nothing surprising here. Its the same story with the Nets the past few seasons. They win a couple of games and make it look like things have gotten into sync, but in fact, they still end up no where. Clearly Kidd knows the routine and is frankly sick of it. Sad to hear how far he's taking things, but not much you can do.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 11 2008, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nothing surprising here. Its the same story with the Nets the past few seasons. They win a couple of games and make it look like things have gotten into sync, but in fact, they still end up no where. Clearly Kidd knows the routine and is frankly sick of it. Sad to hear how far he's taking things, but not much you can do.</div>

he's the reason for the routine. He is shooting 35% and has taken most of the season off, triple-doubles be damned.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 11 2008, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 11 2008, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nothing surprising here. Its the same story with the Nets the past few seasons. They win a couple of games and make it look like things have gotten into sync, but in fact, they still end up no where. Clearly Kidd knows the routine and is frankly sick of it. Sad to hear how far he's taking things, but not much you can do.</div>

he's the reason for the routine. He is shooting 35% and has taken most of the season off, triple-doubles be damned.
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And he's taken the past season off, and the one before that, yeah definitely.


Taken this season off? I can just go out and say Carter sucks, and his "injury" is just imaginary. Same logic?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 11 2008, 03:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy @ Feb 11 2008, 03:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Joker @ Feb 11 2008, 03:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Nothing surprising here. Its the same story with the Nets the past few seasons. They win a couple of games and make it look like things have gotten into sync, but in fact, they still end up no where. Clearly Kidd knows the routine and is frankly sick of it. Sad to hear how far he's taking things, but not much you can do.</div>

he's the reason for the routine. He is shooting 35% and has taken most of the season off, triple-doubles be damned.
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And he's taken the past season off, and the one before that, yeah definitely.


Taken this season off? I can just go out and say Carter sucks, and his "injury" is just imaginary. Same logic?
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No, it's not the same logic. The way he pushed the ball yesterday was once standard, but now he does that once a fortnight. If Kidd runs hard, so will RJ, Boone, Boki, and Sean. Carter is definitely improving, but Kidd is not focused every game. It takes a game like yesterday to realise how lazy his passes have been for the past month.