<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Feb 13 2008, 03:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you're taking this alot better than i am, lol, i'm freaking the hell out, but you're probably right... does harris know how to throw an oop?</div> Nah man it sucks! but I was waiting for it to happen. When Stro got traded to NJ I wished Kidd would stay but I knew he wanted out... As for Harris passing ability, I don't think it's great...we'll see but he's definitly a good baller. Edit: Like pegs said, Marcus can throw alleys...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Netted @ Feb 13 2008, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Carter15Nets @ Feb 13 2008, 03:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>we ripped them off Devin Harris is a stud 24 years old and cheap 2 1st round draft picks 3 mill cash to buy out stackhouse and expiring contracts and now kidd will get 20 mill extended which will pay him 50 mill for 2 more years and the rest of this year</div> Stack signed a 3 year deal in the offseason. If we buy him out it's a disaster. No cap space. He has roughly $3.5mm left on this season plus $16.8mm over the next 2. That will be eating into our cap beyond Kidd's current deal. I don't believe we are buying him out. I think that's why Wright is in the deal. </div> that would be good news, i like stackhouse i think he would be great for this team Harris/ Marcus VC/ Stackhouse RJ/Boki Kristic/Williams Boone/Diop I like this new look and im very excited about seein these new pieces mesh, I would also like to see Swift get some time in there somewhere
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 13 2008, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Balla 15 @ Feb 13 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they buy out Stackhouse I will have lost any remaining respect for the front office that is left. I don't see 1 benefit coming from doing such a thing.</div> They got to remove Wright's contract from the books for a second rounder </div> Am I missing something? Isn't his contract up at the end of the year and they've already paid most of this years?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 13 2008, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 13 2008, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Furthermore I hope you're not trying to say that a combination of Harris and a player of the caliber of Boone or Williams is as good as Kidd. Look at the trades made this past year. Want to better your team? Move depth for quality. Gasol for what? KG for what? Allen for? Shaq for? The Nets are on the other end of that equation. -Petey</div> That's the point, though, Petey. You aren't saying that the assets acquired are directly going to get you there. But the Nets are acquiring a LOT of depth that has at least some value. They have a highly regarded player in Harris. They have a young guy who's close to averaging a double double without having more than one or two plays a game run for him (Boone). They have another very young PG prospect who showed great flashes as a rookie but has had trouble as a sophmore because of injury, confidence, judgment, and PT problems. But he still will draw interest as a true PG prospect for a year or two because of the spectacular vision he has demonstrated on occasion. They traded one of the league's most ridiculed big men for a big man that at least has some tangible talents (Swift). They have one of the top 4 rookies in the 07 class and the best shotblocker to enter the league in many, many years whose potential seems to be extremely high. They have a 27 year old SF at the top of his game who is among the top 10 scorers in the league. They have a 24-year old center who, when healthy, could easily get any team 15 points and 8-10 rebounds a game and who appears finally headed to a return to form. And they still have a guy who, when healthy, is among the top 5 shooting guards in the league, as the player ratings indicate for Carter's last two weeks of play (he trails only Bryant and Wade in that period). With the addition of the acquired draft picks and the Nets own picks, some combination of those assets could very likely be used to acquire one REAL impact player in a deal within the next year or two. Knowing that players the quality of Krstic, Boone, and Sean Williams (and possibly still including Marcus Williams) were all picked at 18 or later within the last 5 years, I still think this is at least a GOOD (if not great) trade for the Nets, not to mention the cap relief the trade brings for the next two years (assuming waivers or buyouts of some or all of the vets coming back from Dallas). It was clear from the length of time Kidd has been advertised as available that this is about as good an offer as one could have hoped for. And it's equally clear that the Nets as presently constituted are not championship contenders. The true value of the trade may not be known for a few years. For example, if Lebron James opt out of his Cleveland contract and moves to Brooklyn with a sign and trade including some of the assets acquired in this Kidd trade (or the fruits therefrom), that's when you can finally judge it. </div> My thinking is actually the complete opposite. There are tons of teams build around depth that have faltered and can't upgraded to trade for an impact player. Look at the Bulls of the past few years. The Grizzles past few years. It's hard to move for a impact player while at times 1 will fall into your lap (Gasol/Lakers; Carter/Nets). While Thorn made solid late picks, he has made poor picks in the 1st third of the draft, and later parts too. What you are talking about is a bunch of 'what ifs'. Moving quality parts for a bunch of 'what ifs' doesn't excite me. -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (go nets @ Feb 13 2008, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>that would be good news, i like stackhouse i think he would be great for this team Harris/ Marcus VC/ Stackhouse RJ/Boki Kristic/Williams Boone/Diop I like this new look and im very excited about seein these new pieces mesh, I would also like to see Swift get some time in there somewhere</div> i would hope swift could get in that rotation, swift >>>> diop, the only thing diop has on him is size, and as long as the opposing center isn't huge stro should certainly get time over diop.
If they buy out Stack, it probably won't be because they wanted to, they'd probably rather keep him, but it would likely be a condition of the trade that the Mavs otherwise may not have agreed to it. At least that's what I believe.
Not a huge fan of the deal and that is only because Stack's contract does not expire. If it did, then this would have been a steal. I wish Thorn tried including a 3rd team to include an expiring deal for Stack and maybe that 2010 pick. Good riddance to Kidd though. Harris is only 24. Kidd is 35. Its ironic and funny, I hung out with Harris at a Gamestop convention over a year ago. He seemed like a nice enough guy. A little naive; he kept asking to meet Bill Gates. We talked and I let him know I was a Nets fan. He was surprised and cracked "they exist??". Little did I know that he would soon end up running my favorite team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 13 2008, 04:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Feb 13 2008, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 13 2008, 03:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (purplehaze89 @ Feb 13 2008, 03:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kidd has been nothing short of a douchebag the last 3 years. Carter has played through injuries and hasn't complained once.</div> While fair to call him that off the court, his behavior on the court in any uniform after his 1st go around w/ the Mavs is pretty unfair. Look at the guys what want to play w/ the guy, and the list of guys that wanted their team to trade for him just the past 2 years. -Petey </div> What happens on the court reflects what happens in the lockerroom, too. That's one reason this was the best they could get for him. I can't believe I'm agreeing with purplehaze about something. I refer you to Dave D's recent trashing of Kidd. </div> 1/2 months, doesn't equate to 3 years; nor are you going to find a perfect teammates ever. There is always bound to be tense for 1 reason or another when you spend that might time with people. Imagine working 8/10 hours a day w/ someone, traveling w/ them, and then even sharing a room 10 feet down the hall. I'm not gonna put more stock in what Dave D said then the guys who spent time w/ Kidd on and off the court. -Petey </div> So the question I have is, assuming the way you feel about his history with the nets and the way I feel about his history with the nets is somewhat representative, does he get booed or cheered when he returns? My prediction is that he gets cheered, with a few wack jobs like myself swearing at him from the nosebleed section.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Feb 13 2008, 04:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 13 2008, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Balla 15 @ Feb 13 2008, 04:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they buy out Stackhouse I will have lost any remaining respect for the front office that is left. I don't see 1 benefit coming from doing such a thing.</div> They got to remove Wright's contract from the books for a second rounder </div> Am I missing something? Isn't his contract up at the end of the year and they've already paid most of this years? </div> If the Nets have another moved planned, every bit of space under the tax helps.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (User01 @ Feb 13 2008, 04:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If they buy out Stack, it probably won't be because they wanted to, they'd probably rather keep him, but it would likely be a condition of the trade that the Mavs otherwise may not have agreed to it. At least that's what I believe.</div> It would make it a very bad deal that was never worth doing. Basically traded Kidd for Harris and 2 late 1st rounders. No cap space or flexibilty. Let alone chewing up $8mm a year of salary for a player not playing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 13 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wai,t how many picks did we get?</div> a 2008 1st rd. , a 2010 1st rd. & a 2008 2nd rd.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (StroShow4 @ Feb 13 2008, 04:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (go nets @ Feb 13 2008, 04:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>that would be good news, i like stackhouse i think he would be great for this team Harris/ Marcus VC/ Stackhouse RJ/Boki Kristic/Williams Boone/Diop I like this new look and im very excited about seein these new pieces mesh, I would also like to see Swift get some time in there somewhere</div> i would hope swift could get in that rotation, swift >>>> diop, the only thing diop has on him is size, and as long as the opposing center isn't huge stro should certainly get time over diop. </div> you are right. im a bigger fan of Stro than I am of Diop. Frank will probably change up their playing time depending on what team theyre facing on a that night
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (lukewarmplay @ Feb 13 2008, 04:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So the question I have is, assuming the way you feel about his history with the nets and the way I feel about his history with the nets is somewhat representative, does he get booed or cheered when he returns? My prediction is that he gets cheered, with a few wack jobs like myself swearing at him from the nosebleed section.</div> I am going to guess that JKidd gets cheered, he will get less of a mix introduction than Harris or any of the Mavs will their 1st time out. -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 13 2008, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>My thinking is actually the complete opposite. There are tons of teams build around depth that have faltered and can't upgraded to trade for an impact player. Look at the Bulls of the past few years. The Grizzles past few years. It's hard to move for a impact player while at times 1 will fall into your lap (Gasol/Lakers; Carter/Nets). While Thorn made solid late picks, he has made poor picks in the 1st third of the draft, and later parts too. What you are talking about is a bunch of 'what ifs'. Moving quality parts for a bunch of 'what ifs' doesn't excite me. -Petey</div> It's well known that James has a HUGE financial incentive for moving to a team in the NY metro area. Though the east is weak, I don't see Cleveland as having either the coach or the type of roster flexibility and assets to substantially improve Cleveland's supporting cast to a championship level. They got a little lucky last year beating Detroit, and I don't expect that lightning to strike twice. And even if they get to the finals again with Lebron, they will not stand a chance against any western power. So there will be at least major financial and perhaps some basketball incentives for him to move to NY. Even if the Knicks fire Thomas today and install a competent GM and coach, the hole he put the franchise in is too deep to fill any time soon. So the Nets will be the only game in town. Is this speculation? Of course, but it's reasoned speculation that comports with the kinds of things that superstar athletes usually put first (money, big media exposure, and the social status and pecking order they help establish). So I still think you can't dismiss the assets acquired in this trade, which could be instrumental in acquiring James or some other big impact player in a couple of years, as "meaningless" until you see what those assets in fact purchase.
devin harris is not Jason Kidd but he is a good, young and cheap point guard in exchange for a legend who is aging, expensive and does not want to be here anymore. also, even with the recent streak, it is clear this team has no chance whatsoever to win a title with this group especially with the superstar-stacked celtics and lakers and the consistent excellence of teams like the spurs, suns and pistons. we had 3 seasons with this core and all we got were 1st and 2nd round exits... we even have options now with regards to vc, if a nice trade for vc comes along we go into full rebuilding mode... if not, even with JKidd gone, we still have enough good players to sort of experiment if this retooled group has what it takes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Feb 13 2008, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So is this confirmed? I wanna know who the Nets will be sending out tonight against the Raptors.</div> Not yet, but I doubt we'll be seeing Kidd in a Nets uniform today.
Wow. I was up all night with a massive headache and slept from 10 am to about 4 pm today. I wake up and see this. I think it was a great move for New Jersey. I think Devin Harris can be an All-Star ballplayer in a couple years; I've always been a big fan of his. Stack will be a big upgrade over Antoine Wright, and the expirings/picks are an added bonus. Diop will also help you guys defensively for the rest of the year (who wants to drive in on Diop and Williams?). This was a move that needed to be made, and I personally didn't think Thorn would get this much for Kidd at this point. As for Dallas, I'm a bit skeptical because of the fact that I'm high on Harris. At the same time, however, this was a move that they absolutely had to make. They weren't going to win much of anything with what they had, but they now have a much better chance with Kidd. Diop will be missed in Dallas.
