Can Jason Kidd put this team over the top? The Mavs have no playmaking and Jason Kidd is pretty much all about playmaking at this point but is it enough to get them past the Lakers or Suns?
it makes the playoffs that more more awesome, seriously, the west is gonna be so great to watch this trade helps all three players, and should put dallas over the top, but i think the team thats the hottest at the playoff time/gets best matchup has best chance, there is no clear #1 imho
Kidd is an "on-court" leader. When he plays like he cares, his team is hard to beat. We haven't seen that very much this year and it could be because the Nets suck or maybe he didn't have it anymore. But if he still does have "it" and he gives it his all for the Mavs, I'm picking them to come out of the West.
Kidd makes his biggest impact when he is first acquired by a team. There is no doubt in my mind that he has been dogging it this season, so I expect a very improved Kidd in a Mavs uniform.
I don't think so. Devin Harris played a huge part during the playoffs for the last two years for the Mavs. He is quick and finishes well, and definetly keeps the Parkers and Nashs busy on the offensive end. He is also an excellent defender. With Kidd, you get a different type of player. He can't get to the rim like Harris can. Even if Dallas does end up winning a championship, I don't see a dynasty or anything. I see the Miami Heat all over again, where after their championship year, things just went downhill. Kidd will be older, as will Dirk. We lose our PG of the future whom we can build around. I know many people are saying that Kidd still hasn't slowed down yet, but think about it this way. Kidd can't play at this level forever. Realistically, best case scenario you can get 5 years max of him playing at this level. No way can a 40 year old continue on like this. Worst case? 2 more years? 1? That's my 2 cents.
I definitly see what your saying but Devin Harris is not a player you can build around. He is a piece to a bigger puzzle.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Nameless Monster @ Feb 13 2008, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think so. Devin Harris played a huge part during the playoffs for the last two years for the Mavs. He is quick and finishes well, and definetly keeps the Parkers and Nashs busy on the offensive end. He is also an excellent defender. With Kidd, you get a different type of player. He can't get to the rim like Harris can. Even if Dallas does end up winning a championship, I don't see a dynasty or anything. I see the Miami Heat all over again, where after their championship year, things just went downhill. Kidd will be older, as will Dirk. We lose our PG of the future whom we can build around. I know many people are saying that Kidd still hasn't slowed down yet, but think about it this way. Kidd can't play at this level forever. Realistically, best case scenario you can get 5 years max of him playing at this level. No way can a 40 year old continue on like this. Worst case? 2 more years? 1? That's my 2 cents.</div> The thing about that is; why be just another playoff in and out team when you can win it once and move on? Miami may be in a tough situation now but a ring is the main goal and they won it. I'd love to win one and wouldn't even care for a lottery season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Nameless Monster @ Feb 13 2008, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think so. Devin Harris played a huge part during the playoffs for the last two years for the Mavs. He is quick and finishes well, and definetly keeps the Parkers and Nashs busy on the offensive end. He is also an excellent defender. With Kidd, you get a different type of player. He can't get to the rim like Harris can. Even if Dallas does end up winning a championship, I don't see a dynasty or anything. I see the Miami Heat all over again, where after their championship year, things just went downhill. Kidd will be older, as will Dirk. We lose our PG of the future whom we can build around. I know many people are saying that Kidd still hasn't slowed down yet, but think about it this way. Kidd can't play at this level forever. Realistically, best case scenario you can get 5 years max of him playing at this level. No way can a 40 year old continue on like this. Worst case? 2 more years? 1? That's my 2 cents.</div> would you rather have a team with Kidd who can win the title once or keep Harris and be a 'contender' for longer but probably never win a title again? The object is to win a title. I don't understand ppl harping on the Heat when they have what most other teams don't.. A title. The Mavs become a lot better right now and Dirk is in his prime so now is the time to go for it. besides I'm hoping the West is so brutal, the WCFinals winner is too tired and beat up to hang with my Celtics
I can't say that I think it does. A good point guard is a huge part to winning a title, but I don't see this really putting them over the top. They lost a great young guy in Devin Harris who was really a change of pace guy. His quickness made him so hard to defend and he was developing a solid jumper as well. He was, in my opinion, quickly becoming a Tony Parker-esque player, and that's a damn good thing. This deal also hurts their bench a bit. They lost Stack, who is easily one of the better role players in the league. His loss is going to put more pressure on Jason Terry to produce more now, and also on the other role players on the bench. Lastly, the one thing the addition of Kidd doesn't do is doesn't make them any less soft. As much as they've improved defensively, they're still a soft team. They don't have a true inside presence on the offensive end. Even though Dirk is trying to become more of a true PF, he's still an oversized and slow SF, plain and simple. He settles for too many jumpers still and doesn't take it to the rim nearly enough. The other issue also lies in Dirk. They have no player with the killer instinct. Dirk may be their franchise player, but he has a tendency to disappear when it matters most. In the playoffs, you really want a guy like that who can carry your team. Hell, Miami rode Wade to a title and the Cavs rode LeBron all the way to the Finals, so that alone shows how helpful it is to have that guy who can takeover a game. While Dirk and Josh Howard are nice players and all, they simply don't have that. In the playoffs, while it's not a necessity, it does help. Oh did I mention there's this team called the Lakers that just got Gasol? Yea, they're pretty good too, and they're not even healthy yet. When they get Bynum healthy, the Lakers are going to be the team to beat. So, to put it this way, Kidd makes them better, but he doesn't put them over the top. The West is too good this year, and I honestly think the Mavs have digressed from last year.
I cant say that he puts them over the top, but his presence will definately make them more formidable in the playoffs. Considering the talent out west, I dont think any move has put any team over the top.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Nameless Monster @ Feb 13 2008, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think so. Devin Harris played a huge part during the playoffs for the last two years for the Mavs. He is quick and finishes well, and definetly keeps the Parkers and Nashs busy on the offensive end. He is also an excellent defender. With Kidd, you get a different type of player. He can't get to the rim like Harris can. Even if Dallas does end up winning a championship, I don't see a dynasty or anything. I see the Miami Heat all over again, where after their championship year, things just went downhill. Kidd will be older, as will Dirk. We lose our PG of the future whom we can build around. I know many people are saying that Kidd still hasn't slowed down yet, but think about it this way. Kidd can't play at this level forever. Realistically, best case scenario you can get 5 years max of him playing at this level. No way can a 40 year old continue on like this. Worst case? 2 more years? 1? That's my 2 cents.</div> Well, think of it this way: If Kidd doesn't sign an extension, you've got him for the rest of this season, and next season. So, there's a high possibility of winning a championship for the Mavs in this season and the next. And whether that works or not, you only have Kidd's huge contract until the end of next season. IMO that sounds great to me. Championship contender, and near-future flexibility.
The lakers and suns still have better teams imo. Not too mention every single team that will be in the playoffs in the west will have a chance to beat anyone else. its so close this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Celtic Fan @ Feb 13 2008, 03:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Nameless Monster @ Feb 13 2008, 03:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think so. Devin Harris played a huge part during the playoffs for the last two years for the Mavs. He is quick and finishes well, and definetly keeps the Parkers and Nashs busy on the offensive end. He is also an excellent defender. With Kidd, you get a different type of player. He can't get to the rim like Harris can. Even if Dallas does end up winning a championship, I don't see a dynasty or anything. I see the Miami Heat all over again, where after their championship year, things just went downhill. Kidd will be older, as will Dirk. We lose our PG of the future whom we can build around. I know many people are saying that Kidd still hasn't slowed down yet, but think about it this way. Kidd can't play at this level forever. Realistically, best case scenario you can get 5 years max of him playing at this level. No way can a 40 year old continue on like this. Worst case? 2 more years? 1? That's my 2 cents.</div> would you rather have a team with Kidd who can win the title once or keep Harris and be a 'contender' for longer but probably never win a title again? The object is to win a title. I don't understand ppl harping on the Heat when they have what most other teams don't.. A title. The Mavs become a lot better right now and Dirk is in his prime so now is the time to go for it. besides I'm hoping the West is so brutal, the WCFinals winner is too tired and beat up to hang with my Celtics </div> Right on the money. Harris would give the Mave longevity, but a title? I really doubt that. I'd rather have my team win a championship at least once than just be contenders without a ring for another 5 years or so. It's about winning. The Mavs have an excellent and legitimate chance with Kidd. A gamble? Maybe, but it's a gamble worth risking. Kidd will only make the Mavs better.
