I know it may be too early to tell. Based on what you think at this moment, who do you think won the Kidd trade? I think New Jersey did. Mavs' obvious intent in doing this trade is to win a championship, which I don't think will happen. New Jersey, on the other hand, got a piece for the future, some expiring contract, and some picks. I think that's a pretty good trade for the Nets. It's not like they were doing anything for Kidd, anyways.
New Jersey. The Nets got a great young point guard in Devin Harris, a couple of exirings, and picks. I love Jason Kidd, but this trade does not take Dallas to the next level. Losing Diop in this deal will hurt them because they now have basically no front court. I think Kidd will help them win a couple more games, but at the end of the day, they are not a championship calibure team. They are extremely weak up front, and I just don't see how they will match up with all the bigs (Shaq/Amare, Tim Duncan, Bynum/Gasol) in the playoffs. They'll get dominated in the paint. This trade kills them financially as well. Paying 20 million for a 34 year old point guard will hurt them in the long run.
Dallas gets a 35 year old point guard who probably has a few more seasons in him while New Jersey gets Harris who really has the potential to be a great player in this league.
Wait just a minute, the trade is gonna have to be reworked now that Devon George enacted his no trade clause killing the trade.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MyNetsForLife @ Feb 13 2008, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (L @ Feb 13 2008, 10:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'></div> </div> How about now? <a href="http://www.explosm.net/comics/1174/" target="_blank"> </a> Cyanide & Happiness @ Explosm.net
Devean George is winning this right now. How he got a no-trade clause is beyond me, but he's screwing this entire deal up. If it does go through, you have to like the Nets in this trade. They get a young PG who has the potential to be one of the best in the league and will also get tons of cap space from the expiring contracts. The Mavs get a 35yr old PG who has a couple good years left in him. Seems pretty easy to me.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Moo2K4 @ Feb 13 2008, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Devean George is winning this right now. How he got a no-trade clause is beyond me, but he's screwing this entire deal up. If it does go through, you have to like the Nets in this trade. They get a young PG who has the potential to be one of the best in the league and will also get tons of cap space from the expiring contracts. The Mavs get a 35yr old PG who has a couple good years left in him. Seems pretty easy to me.</div> It's a CBA rule. for more details, check the nets forum.
I know players with a tenure of 8yrs in the league are able to get one, but I thought each side had to agree with it. So, wouldn't that mean it would have to have been part of the negotiations?
Hmmm....I guess I didn't think of a player's Bird Rights. Hell, I guess I didn't even realize that they had an effect on vetoing a trade. I just thought they came into effect during the resigning period.
dallas gets back far more than they traded away - i love that you guys are favorably comparing devin harris to to the now-newly-motivated mr. TRIP-LE DOUB-LESS - but nj got far more for kidd than most thought they could have.
How does Dallas get back "far more"? Maybe for this season, but they really mortgage their future with this trade. They lose their PG of the future for a guy who'll be their PG of the next couple years. And quite frankly, good young PGs are hard to come by, so usually if you have one, you want to keep hold of them. Oh by the way, as I've stated before, say goodbye to interior defense. A team that was already pretty soft down low would only get worse by trading away Diop.
First off, as a Mavs fan, I can say with confidence you're overrating Harris. He's a good player, but at best he's a weak starter/6th man. He's not a good playmaker, not a good shooter, he's pretty much a glorified defensive specialist who can slash. Losing him for Kidd is no big deal. The two picks? We don't have a good drafting record of late, so I'm not crying over two mid to late 20s picks. Diop is a average to above average help defender/shot blocker, but he hasn't been even doing that well. George, well you saw tonight how worthless he is. And Stackhouse is coming back to Dallas. In terms of pure value for value, we win out. People act like this team wasn't close to running its course anyway, regardless of age. If we had had one more dissapointment this postseason they wouldve blown things up anyway. Adding Kidd just gives us a "sense of urgency" that's very real. We only have a two year window right now, and I like it like that. I think I'm coming around to this deal. I just hate that PGs will abuse us and Kidd isn't even capable of going back at them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dre @ Feb 14 2008, 02:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>In terms of pure value for value, we win out.</div> As someone who would have offered Kidd a $1 buyout--or waived him if the NBA utilized non-guarranteed contracts--I can't complain. Kidd is a sleazy prima donna with no leadership skills, and I'm not sorry to see him go AT ALL. He is shooting 35% from the field, and opposing defenses are daring him to shoot. The Nets are younger, more athletic, will have the cash available to resign Krstic. Devin Harris may never be a star, but the Nets--about who last year at this time, you could have argued that they had the worst future in the league--now have a decent young core to build around with Harris, Boone, and Sean Williams (and Krstic, I guess). If given a chance, Ager could contribute as well; he's hitting nearly 45% of his three-point attempts in the D league right now. They'll end up with around the #10 pick, plus they'll have Dallas' #25 pick, (as well as the #40 overall) which they could possibly package to move up.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dre @ Feb 14 2008, 02:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First off, as a Mavs fan, I can say with confidence you're overrating Harris. He's a good player, but at best he's a weak starter/6th man. He's not a good playmaker, not a good shooter, he's pretty much a glorified defensive specialist who can slash. Losing him for Kidd is no big deal. The two picks? We don't have a good drafting record of late, so I'm not crying over two mid to late 20s picks. Diop is a average to above average help defender/shot blocker, but he hasn't been even doing that well. George, well you saw tonight how worthless he is. And Stackhouse is coming back to Dallas. In terms of pure value for value, we win out. People act like this team wasn't close to running its course anyway, regardless of age. If we had had one more dissapointment this postseason they wouldve blown things up anyway. Adding Kidd just gives us a "sense of urgency" that's very real. We only have a two year window right now, and I like it like that. I think I'm coming around to this deal. I just hate that PGs will abuse us and Kidd isn't even capable of going back at them.</div> Finally someone else with some realism about Harris The best thing the Nets can do is to rip off another team by trading Harris while his value is still ridiculously overstated.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Feb 14 2008, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dre @ Feb 14 2008, 02:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First off, as a Mavs fan, I can say with confidence you're overrating Harris. He's a good player, but at best he's a weak starter/6th man. He's not a good playmaker, not a good shooter, he's pretty much a glorified defensive specialist who can slash. Losing him for Kidd is no big deal. The two picks? We don't have a good drafting record of late, so I'm not crying over two mid to late 20s picks. Diop is a average to above average help defender/shot blocker, but he hasn't been even doing that well. George, well you saw tonight how worthless he is. And Stackhouse is coming back to Dallas. In terms of pure value for value, we win out. People act like this team wasn't close to running its course anyway, regardless of age. If we had had one more dissapointment this postseason they wouldve blown things up anyway. Adding Kidd just gives us a "sense of urgency" that's very real. We only have a two year window right now, and I like it like that. I think I'm coming around to this deal. I just hate that PGs will abuse us and Kidd isn't even capable of going back at them.</div> Finally someone else with some realism about Harris The best thing the Nets can do is to rip off another team by trading Harris while his value is still ridiculously overstated. </div> you're probably right, but he is still pretty young.
