I'd like to discuss two things. 1. What is the market value of Devean George? What kind of offers is he likely to get and from whom? 2. How will waiving his Early Bird rights affect these offers?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd like to discuss two things. 1. What is the market value of Devean George? What kind of offers is he likely to get and from whom? 2. How will waiving his Early Bird rights affect these offers?</div> 1) Crap. League min, if any after this episode. 2) Nothing He's doing it because he either doesn't want to get moved, or wants to be compensated for the move. If Thorn had told him & his agent he would get part of the MLE, this trade would had gone through. Without the prospect of a contract next year, why would he want to move from a team battling it out at the top of the West? -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 15 2008, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd like to discuss two things. 1. What is the market value of Devean George? What kind of offers is he likely to get and from whom? 2. How will waiving his Early Bird rights affect these offers?</div> 1) Crap. League min, if any after this episode. 2) Nothing He's doing it because he either doesn't want to get moved, or wants to be compensated for the move. If Thorn had told him & his agent he would get part of the MLE, this trade would had gone through. Without the prospect of a contract next year, why would he want to move from a team battling it out at the top of the West? -Petey </div> They don't lose much by benching him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd like to discuss two things. 1. What is the market value of Devean George? What kind of offers is he likely to get and from whom? 2. How will waiving his Early Bird rights affect these offers?</div> 1. His value isn't very much. Probably 2-3 million a year for 3 years is the best offer he'll get. 2. Since he doesn't have a lot of value hes going to want as many options with which he can make money as possible. Teams may not have the cap or want to use their MLE on him so they may want to sign and trade and that would get him the most money. If they can't sign and trade him then its much more likely that teams will just low ball him since no one really wants him. Teams will probably offer the minimum or something around there and he'll have no leverage to bargain it back up since no one else is bidding.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ Feb 15 2008, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd like to discuss two things. 1. What is the market value of Devean George? What kind of offers is he likely to get and from whom? 2. How will waiving his Early Bird rights affect these offers?</div> 1. His value isn't very much. Probably 2-3 million a year for 3 years is the best offer he'll get. 2. Since he doesn't have a lot of value hes going to want as many options with which he can make money as possible. Teams may not have the cap or want to use their MLE on him so they may want to sign and trade and that would get him the most money. If they can't sign and trade him then its much more likely that teams will just low ball him since no one really wants him. Teams will probably offer the minimum or something around there and he'll have no leverage to bargain it back up since no one else is bidding. </div> Dallas doesn't have to sign and trade him. Does he think they will do him a favor?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 15 2008, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd like to discuss two things. 1. What is the market value of Devean George? What kind of offers is he likely to get and from whom? 2. How will waiving his Early Bird rights affect these offers?</div> 1) Crap. League min, if any after this episode. 2) Nothing He's doing it because he either doesn't want to get moved, or wants to be compensated for the move. If Thorn had told him & his agent he would get part of the MLE, this trade would had gone through. Without the prospect of a contract next year, why would he want to move from a team battling it out at the top of the West? -Petey </div> They don't lose much by benching him. </div> He has been getting time. And there is no saying Frank would give him time either. What are the benefits of moving to NJ? Helping his 'former' team get better? They don't write checks for that... and might lose out on the chance to pawn a ring. -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 10:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ Feb 15 2008, 10:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd like to discuss two things. 1. What is the market value of Devean George? What kind of offers is he likely to get and from whom? 2. How will waiving his Early Bird rights affect these offers?</div> 1. His value isn't very much. Probably 2-3 million a year for 3 years is the best offer he'll get. 2. Since he doesn't have a lot of value hes going to want as many options with which he can make money as possible. Teams may not have the cap or want to use their MLE on him so they may want to sign and trade and that would get him the most money. If they can't sign and trade him then its much more likely that teams will just low ball him since no one really wants him. Teams will probably offer the minimum or something around there and he'll have no leverage to bargain it back up since no one else is bidding. </div> Dallas doesn't have to sign and trade him. Does he think they will do him a favor? </div> Yup. Plus if he is not gonna get much offer, what is gonna even tempt the Mavs help him leave in a sign & trade if the player coming back can't crack their rotation. It's not a FA ploy. Even if the Mavs wanted to keep him past this season, anyone really think they would had offered him much of a raise over what he is making now, if not the league min? -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 15 2008, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 15 2008, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd like to discuss two things. 1. What is the market value of Devean George? What kind of offers is he likely to get and from whom? 2. How will waiving his Early Bird rights affect these offers?</div> 1) Crap. League min, if any after this episode. 2) Nothing He's doing it because he either doesn't want to get moved, or wants to be compensated for the move. If Thorn had told him & his agent he would get part of the MLE, this trade would had gone through. Without the prospect of a contract next year, why would he want to move from a team battling it out at the top of the West? -Petey </div> They don't lose much by benching him. </div> He has been getting time. And there is no saying Frank would give him time either. What are the benefits of moving to NJ? Helping his 'former' team get better? They don't write checks for that... and might lose out on the chance to pawn a ring. -Petey </div> If the trade is killed, what do the Mavs lose by benching him? Not much. He is alienating his own organization. I don't understand this reason for blocking the trade.
Dallas won't "do him a favor" but if it helps their team they'll sign and trade him. Its a business, I think George and the Mavs aren't taking this as personally as the fans are. George is looking out for himself like the Mavs are looking out for themselves. Nothing wrong with that, just business, its in his contract, he has every right to do it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Run BJM @ Feb 15 2008, 10:52 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Dallas won't "do him a favor" but if it helps their team they'll sign and trade him. Its a business, I think George and the Mavs aren't taking this as personally as the fans are. George is looking out for himself like the Mavs are looking out for themselves. Nothing wrong with that, just business, its in his contract, he has every right to do it.</div> I agree with that. It's only personal until there's a business-related benefit to be had. How does it help the Mavs to sign and trade him?
So here's where the discussion is so far. Does anyone dispute these statements? 1. George is unlikely to see an increase in minutes over what he was getting two weeks ago when he asked the Mavs to trade him after torpedoing a deal the organization believes will win them a championship. (Not to mention the return of the injured Stackhouse and Howard). 2. George is unlikely to suffer any ill-effects of losing his Early Bird rights if he is traded to New Jersey due to his low market value. 3. The Mavs will not sign and trade him just to do him and his next team a favor. A sign and trade has no benefit for the Mavs.
Now that this Mavs deal seems like it's going to die cause of George and Big Mouthed Stack, does this mean the Mike Miller deal is going to die? We were supposed to use the extra 1st rounders to pry away Miller but it seems like we won't have them.
dont pay any attention to the stackhouse stories that wont hold up the trade writers are just looking for any story to write something about.
this trade is the only thing net fans have to hope for because this season is a wrap! lets get younger and prep for a good playoff run.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>From George's perspective, if he has a strong end of the regular season and playoffs with the Mavs, his value will rise. If he accepts the trade to New Jersey, he's locked into a set salary if the Nets re-sign him, no matter how well he plays; if he leaves for another team, he will earn even less. As contracts play out over seasons, the difference could be millions of dollars. "Once he [Bartelstein] explained it into detail, this is what happens... it made me want to stand firm with my decision," George said. Bartelstein was upset Friday that George is being criticized by analysts and pundits on television. He said they fail to understand why George is staunch in his decision. "He has the right not to do the deal," Bartelstein said. "I find it incomprehensible that people can be upset with him. I don't know anyone who would [want to] be the sacrificial lamb. He has a career to protect." Over the past two days, George has had discussions with Cuban and Mavs coach Avery Johnson as well as with Nets officials. George said the Mavericks have not put pressure on him to change his mind. George had talked about wanting to be traded a few weeks ago if he wasn't going to get playing time with the Mavs. But since then, he's been a regular in the rotation, which changed his stance on the trade issue. "It was two parts of it," George said. "The question was asked and the whole trade talk a couple of weeks ago was basically, 'I just want to play.' I'm feeling the best I've felt in my career. I'm finally healthy, and I just want to get minutes. And the second question was, 'Would you want to leave if you can get minutes here?' And I said, 'Absolutely not.' If I can get minutes here, no-brainer. I don't want to go nowhere."</div> Link. He wasn't playing when Howard and Stackhouse were healthy, and he and the team have played like absolute garbage when he gets extended minutes. (He had 7 points in over 76 minutes in the last two games. The Mavs have lost 3 of 4.) What the FUCK makes him think he's going to get playing time and increase his market value between now and the end of the season? Is he the most delusional cat in the whole NBA? And is he serious about the Mavs "not putting pressure on him to change his mind"? Why the fuck not?! Hey, assholes! You made a deal with the NETS. They traded players they now have to take back into their locker room and Kidd's trade value has sunken into the abyss because of you twats and you aren't putting any pressure on the scrub you didn't even bother to call before screwing over the Nets?! Fuck George. Fuck Bartelstein. and above all fuck the entire Mavericks organization. I am officially lifting the curse I put on Miami two years ago and placing it PERMANANTLY on that sad sham of an organization. I hope you play the Warriors every year in the first round, douchebags. I hope the Nets have some recourse to get compensation from those incompetent amateurs for the damage they caused.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 15 2008, 11:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So here's where the discussion is so far. Does anyone dispute these statements? 1. George is unlikely to see an increase in minutes over what he was getting two weeks ago when he asked the Mavs to trade him after torpedoing a deal the organization believes will win them a championship. (Not to mention the return of the injured Stackhouse and Howard). Probably. But is there a possibility that the Mavs players and coaches are all against this deal and want to make a run as is? George would have plenty of support and A.J. would give George minutes. IF (improbable as it sounds) the Mavs make a run and George regains his form from last year, George could end up a hero. 2. George is unlikely to suffer any ill-effects of losing his Early Bird rights if he is traded to New Jersey due to his low market value. I believe the correct term is "[Larry] Bird rights. Being "Early" has nothing to do with it. "Early Bird" is in several newspaper accounts, but I don't believe that is correct. He would only suffer if my delusional scenario above happens and he is a hero. However, how much more will he suffer under Frank. Frank may give him the Nachbar and Magloire treatment and make him completely disappear for the rest of the year causing George to be completely unemployable Can't blame George for considering that. 3. The Mavs will not sign and trade him just to do him and his next team a favor. A sign and trade has no benefit for the Mavs. True</div>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (spartannj)</div><div class='quotemain'>I believe the correct term is "[Larry] Bird rights. Being "Early" has nothing to do with it. "Early Bird" is in several newspaper accounts, but I don't believe that is correct. He would only suffer if my delusional scenario above happens and he is a hero.</div> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>LARRY BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is the best known one. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA, and this exception is a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. This exception allows teams to exceed the salary cap to re-sign their own free agents, up to the player's maximum salary. The player must have played for three seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. This means a player can obtain "Bird rights" by playing under three one-year contracts, a single contract of at least three years, or any combination. It also means that when a player is traded, his Bird rights are traded with him, and his new team can use the Bird exception to re-sign him. These contracts can be up to six years in length. A player can receive raises up to 10.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract. This exception is known as the Larry Bird exception because the Celtics were the first team allowed to exceed the cap to keep their own free agent, and the player happened to be Bird. There is one more limit to the maximum salary that can be given using the Larry Bird exception. If the player was a first round draft pick and just completed the third year of his rookie scale contract, but his team did not exercise their option to extend the contract for the fourth season (see question number 41), then this exception cannot be used to give him a salary greater than he would have received had the team exercised their fourth year option. In other words, teams can't decline the option in order to get around the salary scale and give the player more money. Starting January 10 of each season, this exception begins to reduce in value. See question number 20 for details. EARLY BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is a weaker form of the Larry Bird exception, and is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. A player qualifies for this exception after playing two seasons without being waived or changing teams as a free agent. Using this exception, a team may re-sign its own free agent for 175% of his salary the previous season or the average player salary, whichever is greater (see question number 24 for the definition of "average salary." Also note that for 2005-06 they used a defined figure of $5 million). Early Bird contracts must be for at least two seasons (which limits this exception's usefulness -- it's often better to take a lower salary for one more season and then have the full Bird exception available the next season) and no longer than five seasons. A player can receive raises up to 10.5% of the salary in the first season of the contract using this exception. If the player was a first round draft pick and just completed the second year of his rookie scale contract, but his team did not exercise their option to extend the contract for the third season (see question number 38), then this exception cannot be used to give him a salary greater than he would have received had the team exercised their third year option. In other words, teams can't decline the option in order to get around the salary scale and give the player more money. If the player is a restricted free agent with two years of service and receives an offer sheet from a new team, the player's prior team may use the Early Bird exception to match the offer sheet (see question number 36 for restricted free agency). Starting January 10 of each season, this exception begins to reduce in value. See question number 20 for details.</div> Link.
