<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Newsday - Despite the fact that their proposed trade with the Dallas Mavericks appeared to fall through late Wednesday night, the New Jersey Nets may not be done trying to trade, according to Newsday. The Nets haven't ruled out swapping Vince Carter-for-Jermaine O'Neal with the Pacers. O'Neal's knee remains an obstacle, but New Jersey is willing to wait and see if he'll get a clean bill of health before the deadline.</div> Source
Yuck. Why the hell are they so interested in Jermaine? Is it the one less year on the contract? Is it the injury-plagued-ness? Is it the fact that he'll take away minutes from the youngsters? I'm wondering if Rod Thorn knows what the hell he's doing at all. We're already shot to hell at the wings, and have the perfect amount of depth at the big man positions - Why the hell would we need to screw that up??
pardon my language but Fuck That. We just added Diop and Swift to Krstic,Boone,Sean. Why do we need any more bigs? I mean, have they seen the depth we have behind Vince? Ugh. Now I'm not saying that Diop or Swift are all-star players that are going to put us over the top, but neither will Broken O'Neal
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Feb 14 2008, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>pardon my language but **** That. We just added Diop and Swift to Krstic,Boone,Sean. Why do we need any more bigs? I mean, have they seen the depth we have behind Vince? Ugh. Now I'm not saying that Diop or Swift are all-star players that are going to put us over the top, but neither will Broken O'Neal </div> I think the Mike Miller trade scenario is a precursor to the O'neal trade. Honestly though I hate the idea of trading for O'neal. One, I like our bigs and two, we'd have to give up Vince, Nenad and Marcus or Sean in order to make the salaries work. That's just to much. I could handle Vince and Nenad for O'neal...but adding Marcus or Swat seems to be too much.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dre @ Feb 14 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you're getting one less year and trading small for big, I don't see what you don't do it.</div> very good point, i agree with this trade
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dre @ Feb 14 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you're getting one less year and trading small for big, I don't see what you don't do it.</div> My biggest complaints about this are the following: -We are already thin at the SG position. -Injury-prone -Means less time for our young bigs also our frontline is fine. If we can trade Carter+filler for Jermaine+a SG, I'll be somewhat satisfied.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dre @ Feb 14 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you're getting one less year and trading small for big, I don't see what you don't do it.</div> costs more each year, is more injured, more of a cancer, and a worse player.
Jermaine O'neal's contract is up at the end of 2009...Carter's is up at the end of 2012. That's a three year differnce. If healthy O'neal is a 20 and 10 guy who can be absolutely dominant.
New Jersey Nets Incoming Players Danny Granger Salary: $1,516,800 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 17.8 REB: 5.8 AST: 1.9 PER: 15.81 Troy Murphy Salary: $9,206,349 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 10.7 REB: 7.0 AST: 2.1 PER: 15.31 Shawne Williams Salary: $1,470,360 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 7.5 REB: 2.9 AST: 0.9 PER: 13.67 Outgoing Players: Richard Jefferson, Marcus Williams Indiana Pacers Incoming Players Richard Jefferson Salary: $12,200,000 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 23.0 REB: 4.4 AST: 2.8 PER: 17.78 Marcus Williams Salary: $1,180,200 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 3.2 REB: 1.2 AST: 1.5 PER: 8.02 Outgoing Players: Danny Granger, Troy Murphy, Shawne Williams Nets include their 2008 1st round pick. Do this instead.
I have a feeling Jermaine is just unmotivated to play. Maybe a new home can bring the best out of him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 14 2008, 09:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>New Jersey Nets Incoming Players Danny Granger Salary: $1,516,800 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 17.8 REB: 5.8 AST: 1.9 PER: 15.81 Troy Murphy Salary: $9,206,349 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 10.7 REB: 7.0 AST: 2.1 PER: 15.31 Shawne Williams Salary: $1,470,360 Years Remaining: 1 PTS: 7.5 REB: 2.9 AST: 0.9 PER: 13.67 Outgoing Players: Richard Jefferson, Marcus Williams Indiana Pacers Incoming Players Richard Jefferson Salary: $12,200,000 Years Remaining: 4 PTS: 23.0 REB: 4.4 AST: 2.8 PER: 17.78 Marcus Williams Salary: $1,180,200 Years Remaining: 2 PTS: 3.2 REB: 1.2 AST: 1.5 PER: 8.02 Outgoing Players: Danny Granger, Troy Murphy, Shawne Williams Nets include their 2008 1st round pick. Do this instead.</div> I'd do that. Not a year ago, not even two months ago, but Marcus' head is a problem, and, once Kidd leaves, RJ is going to be seriously overpaid.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 14 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd do that. Not a year ago, not even two months ago, but Marcus' head is a problem, and, once Kidd leaves, RJ is going to be seriously overpaid.</div> Vince Carter would be shipped for O'neal...not RJ. This is a pretty much lateral move performance wise but its a cap clearer for 2010. If we aquired Oneal and Miller and kept RJ than we'd be clearing 41 million in cap space for the summer of 2010 when Lebron and Dwade become free agents. PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Dwade, Maurice Ager SF: Lebron James PF: Sean Williams C: Josh Boone, Diop Dare I dream...yes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 15 2008, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 14 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd do that. Not a year ago, not even two months ago, but Marcus' head is a problem, and, once Kidd leaves, RJ is going to be seriously overpaid.</div> Vince Carter would be shipped for O'neal...not RJ. This is a pretty much lateral move performance wise but its a cap clearer for 2010. If we aquired Oneal and Miller and kept RJ than we'd be clearing 41 million in cap space for the summer of 2010 when Lebron and Dwade become free agents. PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Dwade, Maurice Ager SF: Lebron James PF: Sean Williams C: Josh Boone, Diop Dare I dream...yes. </div> Would want to surround Wade w/ shooters. Though on the topic of JO/Carter, no clue what Thorn is thinking considering how many games JO has missed over the past few seasons. I don't think the trade is meant to clear cap space, as a Carter/Collins for JO trade would had worked. Can't trade Swift now. And unless you are sure JO is healthy, after losing Carter, why trade for Miller? -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 15 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 15 2008, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 14 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd do that. Not a year ago, not even two months ago, but Marcus' head is a problem, and, once Kidd leaves, RJ is going to be seriously overpaid.</div> Vince Carter would be shipped for O'neal...not RJ. This is a pretty much lateral move performance wise but its a cap clearer for 2010. If we aquired Oneal and Miller and kept RJ than we'd be clearing 41 million in cap space for the summer of 2010 when Lebron and Dwade become free agents. PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Dwade, Maurice Ager SF: Lebron James PF: Sean Williams C: Josh Boone, Diop Dare I dream...yes. </div> Would want to surround Wade w/ shooters. Though on the topic of JO/Carter, no clue what Thorn is thinking considering how many games JO has missed over the past few seasons. I don't think the trade is meant to clear cap space, as a Carter/Collins for JO trade would had worked. Can't trade Swift now. And unless you are sure JO is healthy, after losing Carter, why trade for Miller? -Petey </div> Miller is a solid SG averaging 17 a game...if O'neal is healthy he helps us in the playoffs. Miller has a reasonable contract and would be in my opinon a solid player for this team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 15 2008, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 15 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 15 2008, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 14 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd do that. Not a year ago, not even two months ago, but Marcus' head is a problem, and, once Kidd leaves, RJ is going to be seriously overpaid.</div> Vince Carter would be shipped for O'neal...not RJ. This is a pretty much lateral move performance wise but its a cap clearer for 2010. If we aquired Oneal and Miller and kept RJ than we'd be clearing 41 million in cap space for the summer of 2010 when Lebron and Dwade become free agents. PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Dwade, Maurice Ager SF: Lebron James PF: Sean Williams C: Josh Boone, Diop Dare I dream...yes. </div> Would want to surround Wade w/ shooters. Though on the topic of JO/Carter, no clue what Thorn is thinking considering how many games JO has missed over the past few seasons. I don't think the trade is meant to clear cap space, as a Carter/Collins for JO trade would had worked. Can't trade Swift now. And unless you are sure JO is healthy, after losing Carter, why trade for Miller? -Petey </div> Miller is a solid SG averaging 17 a game...if O'neal is healthy he helps us in the playoffs. Miller has a reasonable contract and would be in my opinon a solid player for this team. </div> K and if JO isn't healthy? And the odds are better on him being healthy or unhealthy? -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 15 2008, 12:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 15 2008, 12:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Feb 15 2008, 12:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 15 2008, 12:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ Feb 14 2008, 11:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd do that. Not a year ago, not even two months ago, but Marcus' head is a problem, and, once Kidd leaves, RJ is going to be seriously overpaid.</div> Vince Carter would be shipped for O'neal...not RJ. This is a pretty much lateral move performance wise but its a cap clearer for 2010. If we aquired Oneal and Miller and kept RJ than we'd be clearing 41 million in cap space for the summer of 2010 when Lebron and Dwade become free agents. PG: Devon Harris, Marcus Williams SG: Dwade, Maurice Ager SF: Lebron James PF: Sean Williams C: Josh Boone, Diop Dare I dream...yes. </div> Would want to surround Wade w/ shooters. Though on the topic of JO/Carter, no clue what Thorn is thinking considering how many games JO has missed over the past few seasons. I don't think the trade is meant to clear cap space, as a Carter/Collins for JO trade would had worked. Can't trade Swift now. And unless you are sure JO is healthy, after losing Carter, why trade for Miller? -Petey </div> Miller is a solid SG averaging 17 a game...if O'neal is healthy he helps us in the playoffs. Miller has a reasonable contract and would be in my opinon a solid player for this team. </div> K and if JO isn't healthy? And the odds are better on him being healthy or unhealthy? -Petey </div> If Jermaine isn't healthy by the deadline than we pass and reevaulate in the offseason...If Vince continues to improve than his stock will rise and perhaps a better deal comes along. I don't necessarily care about the O'neal deal...if it happens I'm cool with it but I won't sweat it if it doesn't. I do want the Mike Miller trade to happen. And I think most likely he's unhealthy...however I'm not sure if he's really injured or if he's nursing it because he's fed up with the Pacers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 14 2008, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jermaine O'neal's contract is up at the end of 2009...Carter's is up at the end of 2012. That's a three year differnce. If healthy O'neal is a 20 and 10 guy who can be absolutely dominant.</div> Dunno where you're getting your contract information, but Jermaine's ends in 2009, and Vince's ends in 2010 with a team option for 2011. One important positive for trading Carter for 1 less year would be the fact that it would give us more flexibility with re-signing Boone, just in case he gets even better. Oh yeah, and for the record, I still doubt very much this trade ever happens. O'neal's knees suck, and you know how Thron is with bad knees. That's not gonna happen.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 15 2008, 03:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Feb 14 2008, 09:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jermaine O'neal's contract is up at the end of 2009...Carter's is up at the end of 2012. That's a three year differnce. If healthy O'neal is a 20 and 10 guy who can be absolutely dominant.</div> Dunno where you're getting your contract information, but Jermaine's ends in 2009, and Vince's ends in 2010 with a team option for 2011. One important positive for trading Carter for 1 less year would be the fact that it would give us more flexibility with re-signing Boone, just in case he gets even better. Oh yeah, and for the record, I still doubt very much this trade ever happens. O'neal's knees suck, and you know how Thron is with bad knees. That's not gonna happen. </div> Ok my bad I thought it was a player option for the fifth year...Still Carter signed a 4 year contract with a team option 5th year...which means his contract ends in 2011...with a team option for another season. Simple math 4+2007=2011. So the Jermaine O'neal deal would still save us two years. Vince Carter contract
