I don't see the problem... If KVH can be used in this trade, I don't know why would Stack and George be needed... KVH can be resigned up to a one year 15 mill contract... Thats less than Stack's remaining salary... and his huge expirer would be a nice asset. KVH + Harris + Ager + the 1 first rounders for Kidd and Malik Allen would work just fine. Dallas keeps it's depth, we get a huge expirer, everyone is happy. Than, if we can somehow pull off Boki + Magloire + Wright for Mike Miller... vow.. And that's when we have everything to get JO or Brand, without giving up the core guys. KVH's 15 mill expirer + Krstic + Marcus for JO, and we have this roster for next season: JO/Sean Boone/Stro RJ/Miller Vince/Ager Harris/Armstrong looks pretty good to me... p.s.: sorry for creating a new topic, but I tought that if i just post in a thread, I can't get too many answers and opinions on my idea.
Luxury tax. If Cuban signs KVH without trading the other pieces, his luxury tax bill will be even higher. Cuban is rich but he has said time and again that he has his limits.
With the way he collects fines I don't think it's a matter of having a limit, he just doesn't want everyone in the league to look at them like the Knicks. Willing to fold & bend over taking it in the rear... -Petey
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Feb 15 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Luxury tax. If Cuban signs KVH without trading the other pieces, his luxury tax bill will be even higher. Cuban is rich but he has said time and again even he has his limits.</div> Ok, I undertand now, thanks for the info. But then the next question is, what Cuban's limits exactly are... Diop's expirer can still be added, and then KVH needs to be signed for 9 mill only to make it work. (Stack's and George's contracts add up to that amount) If Cuban was going to trade stackhouse nad then resign him for the MLE, almost the same lux tax would have kicked in as in the case of signing KVH for 9 mill...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Feb 15 2008, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GM3 @ Feb 15 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Luxury tax. If Cuban signs KVH without trading the other pieces, his luxury tax bill will be even higher. Cuban is rich but he has said time and again even he has his limits.</div> Ok, I undertand now, thanks for the info. But then the next question is, what Cuban's limits exactly are... Diop's expirer can still be added, and then KVH needs to be signed for 9 mill only to make it work. (Stack's and George's contracts add up to that amount) If Cuban was going to trade stackhouse nad then resign him for the MLE, almost the same lux tax would have kicked in as in the case of signing KVH for 9 mill... </div> that is an interesting point you bring up when u think about it like that maybe he will just skip the stackhouse process of sending him to us and then waiting 30days to resign him since now that he has to use van horn he will just sign horn to a contract that combines george and stacks salaries together making it alot less complicated espcially if the nba is serious about being a bitch on what stackhouse said so it would make things easier for both sides cuz then cuban doesnt have to send 3 million and doesnt have to wait the 30days for stack to return. even though cuban has his limits using KVH is really the ONLY option of gettin kidd now unless george wakes up one morning and decides jersey isnt soo bad hence he waives his bitch rights so we would get KVH, Diop, Harris, and (2) 1st rd picks for Kidd , and Malik sounds good
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd Karma @ Feb 15 2008, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>15 million would add about 30 million in luxury taxes.</div> Stack and George account for around 10 million in salary...KVH would only need to be signed for 10. Techniquely since they were probably gonna have to take on Antione Wright, resign Stack at Vets minimun and send 3 million in the trade then the difference is between sending Stack and George and signing Van Horn is about 13 million in luxury taxes. If Stack is included and Van Horn is signed for 3.5 million than the difference is only 5 million Original trade: 2 million increase Vanhorn replaces George: 5 million Vanhorn replaces Stack and George 13 million increase Either way Cuban can afford it...gut feeling it he just doesn't want Kidd. I think that's right...but I doubt it. Honestly Cuban should pay the 3 freaking million dollars difference and little George stay.
So someone is going to take the financial hit in this trade. Either the Nets get Stackhouse and get a favorable small buyout of his contract and then the Mavs use their MLE to resign Stackhouse and take the luxury tax hit. Or the Nets don't get a favorable buy out with Stackhouse and just end up waiving him and his full contract is on their cap for the next few years while the Mavs resign Stackhouse for the minimum and don't take the luxury hit. Or Cuban just takes the big luxury tax hit and keeps his team depth intact to stay competitive and sign and trades Van Horn to a big expiring contract so he can keep Diop, George and Stackhouse. Pay the luxury Cuban! Do it! Kidd/Terry Stackhouse/Jones Howard/George Nowitzki/Bass Dampier/Diop
if this doesnt happen its cuz cuban didnt want to pony up the luxury tax dollars the nets are not goin to take a financial hit for this, like ive said the ball is in cubans court there is no problem from the nets side on this trade , all players are ready to be shipped out cuban has to get his shit straight and just say screw it send KVH and harris with our picks and call it a done deal, let him keep his depth. im sure this annoys him becuase he will have to do this essentially becuz of georges fault for blocking the trade. In reality he will be payin an additional 15 million for george not kidd. its not kidds fault
I wish Damp was expiring. or at the least, 1 year remaining. Maybe if they weren't so fucking stupid to sign him in the first place, Dallas might have some flexibility with this trade. Shit. Also, Terry for 9 mil“ Come on. Oh well, at this point, I would take Terry to replace Stack and George.
