<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 15 2008, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>thats it right there, i said vince was having a horrific season then you came up with the ray allen, joe johnson BS. then you mentioned the stats and such. honestly, you can judge him by his stats, people who've never seen him can look at his stats that he averages 20/5/5 but thats not the case, one game you'll see him dominate and then next he'll put up a 5-16 in a blowout but of course, its about the stats, right?</div> No, you first said he is having a horrific season and then I responded by saying he is not. YOU then followed it up with this: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>how can you say he hasn't? what can possibly lead you to say he hasnt? his shooting percetnage sucks, rj is outscoring him etc..</div> And I responded again by saying his shooting % doesn't suck and it is better than or comparable to other star swingmen in the league. Then you started crying about why I'm bringing them up in the conversation because you can't answer the question I asked and are now just confused what even took place in this conversation.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Feb 15 2008, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 15 2008, 04:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>thats it right there, i said vince was having a horrific season then you came up with the ray allen, joe johnson BS. then you mentioned the stats and such. honestly, you can judge him by his stats, people who've never seen him can look at his stats that he averages 20/5/5 but thats not the case, one game you'll see him dominate and then next he'll put up a 5-16 in a blowout but of course, its about the stats, right?</div> No, you first said he is having a horrific season and then I responded by saying he is not. YOU then followed it up with this: <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>how can you say he hasn't? what can possibly lead you to say he hasnt? his shooting percetnage sucks, rj is outscoring him etc..</div> And I responded again by saying his shooting % doesn't suck and it is better than or comparable to other star swingmen in the league. Then you started crying about why I'm bringing them up in the conversation because you can't answer the question I asked and are now just confused what even took place in this conversation. </div> why bring up ray allen and joe johnson? answer this, would you rather have ray allen or JJ over vc right now?
Vince is Vince Vince is also injured Vince doesn't have much trade value at the moment The Nets are a poorly constructed and mediocre team Shut Vince down and go for lottery position
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Feb 15 2008, 04:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 15 2008, 02:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>uhhh.. no, he shoots to much, rarely drives to the basket anymore, defense is worse and he sux at shooting</div> Actually, I'd be interested in what you'd have to say in response to Jizzy's 1st post (above). </div> Ok, Carter shoots too much? He is taking 3 less shots this season than last, which is part of the reason his PPG are down. He drives less to the basket compared to other years, partly because of injury but he has still been effective on the offensive end scoring the ball and setting up team mates. The defense is a team wide issue, not just Vince and I already addressed his shooting %. Really, if the Nets played good team defense, the bench was more productive, and they did a few other little things, their record would be much different right now and there wouldn't be any complaints about the way Vince has played this season. Just look at Boston, they play dominating team defense where they're like #1 in every defensive category and get bench production and guys like Allen and Pierce make the All-Star team even though they are around the same caliber as Vince.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 15 2008, 05:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>why bring up ray allen and joe johnson? answer this, would you rather have ray allen or JJ over vc right now?</div> If you can't follow this conversation properly, I'm just going to stop responding to you. One last time, YOU first brought up Vinces shooting and scoring and started whining about how he is having such a "horrific" season. I then pointed out he's shooting the ball better than guys like Johnson and Allen and then asked if they were also having "horrific" seasons which you can't answer. So to return the favor, I wont' answer your question. And really, I probably wasted enough time responding to you and your senseless posts.
It just makes me sad watching him play like this. Man the season he was traded here he was by far the best player in the leaugue after the trade. he could not be stopped. I've watched every game of his career and that was the most dominating he had ever been. He was getting 30+ every night practically. It drives me crazy to think he can't be that same guy again. Just sad. He will unfortunately always be the ultimate what could have been player. If he just had Kobe's fire from the start he could have been even better because in all my years I've never seen a more effortless ore athleticaly gifted player. He could have done it all.
Its gonna be weird watching the ASG and Vince won't be there. Normally I'd be busy getting upset about his playing time LOL!!!
Vince is still an exciting player. Is he as exciting as he used to be? No, but that doesn't mean we should trade him for Jermaine O'Neil who has lost way more than a step. Some of you guys don't understand how hard it is to do some of the stuff Vince does. Like I'm 6'4 32"vert and I can just dunk. I can't do any tricks or anything. Vince is like 6'6 and his vert is still incredable considering he did a 360 on an injured ankle and he bearly even tried. Give him time.. he'll be back..
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Feb 17 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince is still an exciting player. Is he as exciting as he used to be? No, but that doesn't mean we should trade him for Jermaine O'Neil who has lost way more than a step. Some of you guys don't understand how hard it is to do some of the stuff Vince does. Like I'm 6'4 32"vert and I can just dunk. I can't do any tricks or anything. Vince is like 6'6 and his vert is still incredable considering he did a 360 on an injured ankle and he bearly even tried. Give him time.. he'll be back..</div> more time will make him older, those legs weaker... man, watching vince in the dunk contest, what used to be...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy @ Feb 17 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (J-HoAgZ @ Feb 17 2008, 12:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince is still an exciting player. Is he as exciting as he used to be? No, but that doesn't mean we should trade him for Jermaine O'Neil who has lost way more than a step. Some of you guys don't understand how hard it is to do some of the stuff Vince does. Like I'm 6'4 32"vert and I can just dunk. I can't do any tricks or anything. Vince is like 6'6 and his vert is still incredable considering he did a 360 on an injured ankle and he bearly even tried. Give him time.. he'll be back..</div> more time will make him older, those legs weaker... man, watching vince in the dunk contest, what used to be... </div> i dont get it, why cant he get off the floor like he used to?! watchin that dunk contest reply of him was amazin, and now he barely dunks! if im not mistaken jordan could still get off the floor at the age of 30
I still think maybe next year or a two or three years down the line, Vince will go back in the dunk contest much like Dr. J did in 84, to show the kids he still has it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (guitarzan @ Feb 17 2008, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Its gonna be weird watching the ASG and Vince won't be there. Normally I'd be busy getting upset about his playing time LOL!!!</div> Same here. Oh well.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King John da FiF @ Feb 17 2008, 06:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wonder what vince is doing for all star weekend. He wasn't at any of the events.</div> Resting his ankle. After all, he is "injured".
I hope that if Vince is traded that we and all the rest of the nets fans don't just hate him. He has for the most part played really well here and not missed much time at all playing through injuries. I think he has probably enjoyed his time here and if he leaves he'll leave with nothing but fond memories.
he's not a star, stars are guys like LBJ, Wade, Kobe, duncan, KG, Melo, Bosh...when there teams are down, you can always rely on these guys to come through, with vince, you never know what youre going to get. one night he'll be spectacular and have you thinking, "ok, maybe he's ready now", the next night he'll throw up a 5-16 game and be abysmal. no one can deny that except the vince carter homers who keep finding excuses for this guy right now, wince is a highly priced role player
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (King John da FiF @ Feb 18 2008, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vince is and always will be a star. Doesn't have to be explained.</div> to bad no team wants that star
