Should the damage he is likely doing to his reputation not be taken into account? Nobody really NEEDS Devean George.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also if some way the Mavs do win then will they thank George for not letting them make a huge mistake??</div> Or what if they are not emotionally tough yet again? A lot has to fall on Georges shoulders then. </div> HMMMMMM????? George should be the blame for his team not being emotionally tough for the third year in a row??? Naw that falls on the suppose leader and MVP. Three years in a row? No a lot has to fall on Dirk shoulders but this year he will get a pass since George did what he did. So Dirk should really thank him. People will lay off him this year and not look at him as coming up short again </div> Well yes and no. He cannot lead a team but Jason Kidd can and he's stopping that from happening. </div> wow just wow. The player that has been their for how long is unable to lead his team but a player coming from another team is able to lead better??? Sounds like the problem isn't just George. Also Jason Kidd is not leading this team to a championship. Maybe if the Gasol and Shaq trade didn't happen but since they have. The Kidd trade is a big trade but not big enough to make a difference now. </div> Wow just wow? What the hell did Kidd do here when he first came? Jason Kidd is a proven leader and respected by everyone in this league. He could go to Memphis or Miami and still would have the same respect in the locker room. You saying Kidd cannot lead the Mavs is like saying Greg Oden is actually 34.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Feb 17 2008, 01:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why do people keep saying that losing his Early Bird rights is going to cause him to make less money?</div> Well, for example, if Kidd doesn't get traded, and the Mavs revisit this deal in the offseason, George can then be resigned for any dollar value above the cap to make the deal work. He could potentially make more money in a sign-and-trade, rather than just being limited to part of a team's midlevel. I realize it seems like the Mavs would never do this after he screwed them over, but teams will pretty much do whatever it takes to make a deal work. Vengence always comes second after improving the team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also if some way the Mavs do win then will they thank George for not letting them make a huge mistake??</div> Or what if they are not emotionally tough yet again? A lot has to fall on Georges shoulders then. </div> HMMMMMM????? George should be the blame for his team not being emotionally tough for the third year in a row??? Naw that falls on the suppose leader and MVP. Three years in a row? No a lot has to fall on Dirk shoulders but this year he will get a pass since George did what he did. So Dirk should really thank him. People will lay off him this year and not look at him as coming up short again </div> Well yes and no. He cannot lead a team but Jason Kidd can and he's stopping that from happening. </div> wow just wow. The player that has been their for how long is unable to lead his team but a player coming from another team is able to lead better??? Sounds like the problem isn't just George. Also Jason Kidd is not leading this team to a championship. Maybe if the Gasol and Shaq trade didn't happen but since they have. The Kidd trade is a big trade but not big enough to make a difference now. </div> Wow just wow? What the hell did Kidd do here when he first came? Jason Kidd is a proven leader and respected by everyone in this league. He could go to Memphis or Miami and still would have the same respect in the locker room. You saying Kidd cannot lead the Mavs is like saying Greg Oden is actually 34. </div> no one is questioning Kidd leading abilities?? Wait a minute yes the HELL I AM. Now my first resposne was saying Kidd is not leading them to championship because PHX is still better than Dallas also as anyone who has watch Kidd knows fast guards give him hell. We all have remember Tony Parker in 2003 and ever since. Now lets get to this leading thing. My original comment was about leading to championship unless the Mavs make another move they are still behind other teams in the west. Now as for Kidd as a leader. How has his leading skills been in New Jersey recently. The east is mediocre and what has he done to with this NETS team. Remember he is the leader of this team and what did he say "we are .500 team and nothing is wrong with that" what did he say after they were swept by the Heat. " I don't give a shit what management does" Whenever things don't go his way he gets with the drama. Ever heard the Captain goes down with ship?? Kidd said the hell with that. Yea when Kidd first got to the Nets he did change the franchise but how long was that. Look at him and his attitude now. A leader is not only judge on how he leads during good times but also hard times. It's easy to say Kidd is a good leader when you only look at the good but don't forget there is a lot of negative as well.
The Mavs can't improve their team by signing and trading Devean George. They will never do him or his new team this favor.
"The All-Star Game is always about fun and running," Dirk Nowitzki said. "And the point guards are part of that. Nash and Jason are probably the best passers in the league. It would definitely be good for the run and gun." Interesting how Dirk addresses his old friend Nash by his last name but uses the first name for Kidd.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. J @ Feb 17 2008, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Why the hell should George care? The championship-contending Mavs are trading him to a lottery-bound Nets team. Why should George care about a team that wants to trade him? He also loses his bird rights and that means less money for him. It's far from selfish. It's looking out for his best interest. In the process he's screwing over a team that doesn't really want him.</div> Are you fucking kidding me? He's NOT being selfish? George didn't give a fuck before when he ASKED to be traded from the championship-contending Mavs. He's a selfish bastard, and he needs to own up to it. And I refuse to change my stance on that. I have absolutely no respect for him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also if some way the Mavs do win then will they thank George for not letting them make a huge mistake??</div> Or what if they are not emotionally tough yet again? A lot has to fall on Georges shoulders then. </div> HMMMMMM????? George should be the blame for his team not being emotionally tough for the third year in a row??? Naw that falls on the suppose leader and MVP. Three years in a row? No a lot has to fall on Dirk shoulders but this year he will get a pass since George did what he did. So Dirk should really thank him. People will lay off him this year and not look at him as coming up short again </div> Well yes and no. He cannot lead a team but Jason Kidd can and he's stopping that from happening. </div> wow just wow. The player that has been their for how long is unable to lead his team but a player coming from another team is able to lead better??? Sounds like the problem isn't just George. Also Jason Kidd is not leading this team to a championship. Maybe if the Gasol and Shaq trade didn't happen but since they have. The Kidd trade is a big trade but not big enough to make a difference now. </div> Wow just wow? What the hell did Kidd do here when he first came? Jason Kidd is a proven leader and respected by everyone in this league. He could go to Memphis or Miami and still would have the same respect in the locker room. You saying Kidd cannot lead the Mavs is like saying Greg Oden is actually 34. </div> no one is questioning Kidd leading abilities?? Wait a minute yes the HELL I AM. Now my first resposne was saying Kidd is not leading them to championship because PHX is still better than Dallas also as anyone who has watch Kidd knows fast guards give him hell. We all have remember Tony Parker in 2003 and ever since. Now lets get to this leading thing. My original comment was about leading to championship unless the Mavs make another move they are still behind other teams in the west. Now as for Kidd as a leader. How has his leading skills been in New Jersey recently. The east is mediocre and what has he done to with this NETS team. Remember he is the leader of this team and what did he say "we are .500 team and nothing is wrong with that" what did he say after they were swept by the Heat. " I don't give a shit what management does" Whenever things don't go his way he gets with the drama. Ever heard the Captain goes down with ship?? Kidd said the hell with that. Yea when Kidd first got to the Nets he did change the franchise but how long was that. Look at him and his attitude now. A leader is not only judge on how he leads during good times but also hard times. It's easy to say Kidd is a good leader when you only look at the good but don't forget there is a lot of negative as well. </div> So Dallas has zero chance with Kidd? They should just trade Dirk and Howard then considering they are up there in age. Terry and Stackhouse need to go and they should pull a Memphis because they have nothing to look forward too. Oh wait, Kidd hasn't even suited up for the Mavs and you are putting his abilities down. Real smart.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also if some way the Mavs do win then will they thank George for not letting them make a huge mistake??</div> Or what if they are not emotionally tough yet again? A lot has to fall on Georges shoulders then. </div> HMMMMMM????? George should be the blame for his team not being emotionally tough for the third year in a row??? Naw that falls on the suppose leader and MVP. Three years in a row? No a lot has to fall on Dirk shoulders but this year he will get a pass since George did what he did. So Dirk should really thank him. People will lay off him this year and not look at him as coming up short again </div> Well yes and no. He cannot lead a team but Jason Kidd can and he's stopping that from happening. </div> wow just wow. The player that has been their for how long is unable to lead his team but a player coming from another team is able to lead better??? Sounds like the problem isn't just George. Also Jason Kidd is not leading this team to a championship. Maybe if the Gasol and Shaq trade didn't happen but since they have. The Kidd trade is a big trade but not big enough to make a difference now. </div> Wow just wow? What the hell did Kidd do here when he first came? Jason Kidd is a proven leader and respected by everyone in this league. He could go to Memphis or Miami and still would have the same respect in the locker room. You saying Kidd cannot lead the Mavs is like saying Greg Oden is actually 34. </div> no one is questioning Kidd leading abilities?? Wait a minute yes the HELL I AM. Now my first resposne was saying Kidd is not leading them to championship because PHX is still better than Dallas also as anyone who has watch Kidd knows fast guards give him hell. We all have remember Tony Parker in 2003 and ever since. Now lets get to this leading thing. My original comment was about leading to championship unless the Mavs make another move they are still behind other teams in the west. Now as for Kidd as a leader. How has his leading skills been in New Jersey recently. The east is mediocre and what has he done to with this NETS team. Remember he is the leader of this team and what did he say "we are .500 team and nothing is wrong with that" what did he say after they were swept by the Heat. " I don't give a shit what management does" Whenever things don't go his way he gets with the drama. Ever heard the Captain goes down with ship?? Kidd said the hell with that. Yea when Kidd first got to the Nets he did change the franchise but how long was that. Look at him and his attitude now. A leader is not only judge on how he leads during good times but also hard times. It's easy to say Kidd is a good leader when you only look at the good but don't forget there is a lot of negative as well. </div> So Dallas has zero chance with Kidd? They should just trade Dirk and Howard then considering they are up there in age. Terry and Stackhouse need to go and they should pull a Memphis because they have nothing to look forward too. Oh wait, Kidd hasn't even suited up for the Mavs and you are putting his abilities down. Real smart. </div> Well can you blame me? I'm not the only one who feels like this many others do too. As Charles said if this trade was made three weeks ago then I would have have to say Dallas is in front now but the West has gotten better. Shaq is a sun. The Spurs picked up mighty mouse. The Lakers picked up Gasol. Hell, the team that embarrassed the Mavs last year has Chris Webber. I'm doubting the Mavs because of what I seen from them. Yea you can speculate but I have to go by what I've seen from these players. This is the same Mavs team losing in the finals after being up two games. This is the same Mavs team who won 67 games and lost in the first round. This is the same Mavs team who was blown out by the Pistons, lost to a Boston team with no KG, lost to the Sixers, lost to the Nets, and recently lost to a Suns team with no Marion and Shaq. I'm suppose to believe Kidd is the Key to this team getting a ring???? One of the thing that Mavs had going for them was depth but if the trade goes down as it was going at first they lose that. You are betting on a team that has yet to prove anything but flop at big moments. A player who has yet to prove he can win a championship . (don't believe the hype VC is not the only one who was coming up short in the playoffs) Real Smart. edit: Dallas needs more than JKidd to compete now in the west. Three weeks ago yea this would been enough now though?? Naw but hey think what you want we'll just wait for the playoffs and see if Dallas do what they been doing for the last couple years.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well can you blame me? I'm not the only one who feels like this many others do too. As Charles said if this trade was made three weeks ago then I would have have to say Dallas is in front now but the West has gotten better. Shaq is a sun. The Spurs picked up mighty mouse. The Lakers picked up Gasol. Hell, the team that embarrassed the Mavs last year has Chris Webber.</div> Gasol is the only relevant player out of the lot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 03:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 01:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 02:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 02:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also if some way the Mavs do win then will they thank George for not letting them make a huge mistake??</div> Or what if they are not emotionally tough yet again? A lot has to fall on Georges shoulders then. </div> HMMMMMM????? George should be the blame for his team not being emotionally tough for the third year in a row??? Naw that falls on the suppose leader and MVP. Three years in a row? No a lot has to fall on Dirk shoulders but this year he will get a pass since George did what he did. So Dirk should really thank him. People will lay off him this year and not look at him as coming up short again </div> Well yes and no. He cannot lead a team but Jason Kidd can and he's stopping that from happening. </div> wow just wow. The player that has been their for how long is unable to lead his team but a player coming from another team is able to lead better??? Sounds like the problem isn't just George. Also Jason Kidd is not leading this team to a championship. Maybe if the Gasol and Shaq trade didn't happen but since they have. The Kidd trade is a big trade but not big enough to make a difference now. </div> Wow just wow? What the hell did Kidd do here when he first came? Jason Kidd is a proven leader and respected by everyone in this league. He could go to Memphis or Miami and still would have the same respect in the locker room. You saying Kidd cannot lead the Mavs is like saying Greg Oden is actually 34. </div> no one is questioning Kidd leading abilities?? Wait a minute yes the HELL I AM. Now my first resposne was saying Kidd is not leading them to championship because PHX is still better than Dallas also as anyone who has watch Kidd knows fast guards give him hell. We all have remember Tony Parker in 2003 and ever since. Now lets get to this leading thing. My original comment was about leading to championship unless the Mavs make another move they are still behind other teams in the west. Now as for Kidd as a leader. How has his leading skills been in New Jersey recently. The east is mediocre and what has he done to with this NETS team. Remember he is the leader of this team and what did he say "we are .500 team and nothing is wrong with that" what did he say after they were swept by the Heat. " I don't give a shit what management does" Whenever things don't go his way he gets with the drama. Ever heard the Captain goes down with ship?? Kidd said the hell with that. Yea when Kidd first got to the Nets he did change the franchise but how long was that. Look at him and his attitude now. A leader is not only judge on how he leads during good times but also hard times. It's easy to say Kidd is a good leader when you only look at the good but don't forget there is a lot of negative as well. </div> So Dallas has zero chance with Kidd? They should just trade Dirk and Howard then considering they are up there in age. Terry and Stackhouse need to go and they should pull a Memphis because they have nothing to look forward too. Oh wait, Kidd hasn't even suited up for the Mavs and you are putting his abilities down. Real smart. </div> Well can you blame me? I'm not the only one who feels like this many others do too. As Charles said if this trade was made three weeks ago then I would have have to say Dallas is in front now but the West has gotten better. Shaq is a sun. The Spurs picked up mighty mouse. The Lakers picked up Gasol. Hell, the team that embarrassed the Mavs last year has Chris Webber. I'm doubting the Mavs because of what I seen from them. Yea you can speculate but I have to go by what I've seen from these players. This is the same Mavs team losing in the finals after being up two games. This is the same Mavs team who won 67 games and lost in the first round. This is the same Mavs team who was blown out by the Pistons, lost to a Boston team with no KG, lost to the Sixers, lost to the Nets, and recently lost to a Suns team with no Marion and Shaq. I'm suppose to believe Kidd is the Key to this team getting a ring???? One of the thing that Mavs had going for them was depth but if the trade goes down as it was going at first they lose that. You are betting on a team that has yet to prove anything but flop at big moments. A player who has yet to prove he can win a championship . (don't believe the hype VC is not the only one who was coming up short in the playoffs) Real Smart. edit: Dallas needs more than JKidd to compete now in the west. Three weeks ago yea this would been enough now though?? Naw but hey think what you want we'll just wait for the playoffs and see if Dallas do what they been doing for the last couple years. </div> Why did the Warriors even play against the Mavs last year? Mavs had a better team than they did. Mitch did a good job with the Lakers and they have a solid starting five so why not give them the ring? Mavericks have a better chance winning with Kidd than winning with Harris. Mavs do not have depth to begin with as you see George getting zero minutes to 40 a night because of an injury. That happens all the time. Yes, they may need more than Jason Kidd to compete in the West but who else are they going to get? They have no room for FA signing and Jason is one of the top names on the block right now and would easily help them. You are crazy if you think adding Kidd does not up the chances of Mavs winning a championship.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 17 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well can you blame me? I'm not the only one who feels like this many others do too. As Charles said if this trade was made three weeks ago then I would have have to say Dallas is in front now but the West has gotten better. Shaq is a sun. The Spurs picked up mighty mouse. The Lakers picked up Gasol. Hell, the team that embarrassed the Mavs last year has Chris Webber.</div> Gasol is the only relevant player out of the lot. </div> Damon on the Spurs?? When Tony goes out of the game you can with two options the defense of Jacque Vaughn or the offense of Damon. One of the reasons the Spurs are successful against the Suns. They always attack Steve on the offensive end. Also the Spurs do go through moments when they go scoreless. Now you have two players off the bench who can score. Mighty Mouse and Manu. Chris Webber I agree is not that relevant but against Dallas and Dirk soft butt it's enough. Also think what you want but if Shaq may not be what he was but in the playoffs he can be damn valuable. Why you think Mark Cuban was saying F kidd and trying to get Shaq??? <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Why did the Warriors even play against the Mavs last year? Mavs had a better team than they did. Mitch did a good job with the Lakers and they have a solid starting five so why not give them the ring? Mavericks have a better chance winning with Kidd than winning with Harris. Mavs do not have depth to begin with as you see George getting zero minutes to 40 a night because of an injury. That happens all the time. Yes, they may need more than Jason Kidd to compete in the West but who else are they going to get? They have no room for FA signing and Jason is one of the top names on the block right now and would easily help them. You are crazy if you think adding Kidd does not up the chances of Mavs winning a championship.</div> huh?? The Mavs had a better team than the warriors last year?? I probably read that wrong or misinterpreted that so I won't respond to it. Because if your saying that the Mavs from last year was better than the warriors they sure didn't prove it on the floor. Nothing is given to anyone. It has to be earn and I have to go by what I seen to make my decision. I can't say oh they have Kidd they are contenders. I can't forget this is the same team that has been coming up short and one player who hasn't even been able to help his team in mediocre EAST get out of the second round is about to come out to big bad West and all of sudden lead this team to the chip. I'm A Realist. You are right Kidd does raise their chances of winning a chip but those chances weren't and aren't very high either way. You can say I'm crazy but I'm going by what I seen and history. What are you going by?? What ifs couldas and maybes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 17 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well can you blame me? I'm not the only one who feels like this many others do too. As Charles said if this trade was made three weeks ago then I would have have to say Dallas is in front now but the West has gotten better. Shaq is a sun. The Spurs picked up mighty mouse. The Lakers picked up Gasol. Hell, the team that embarrassed the Mavs last year has Chris Webber.</div> Gasol is the only relevant player out of the lot. </div> Damon on the Spurs?? When Tony goes out of the game you can with two options the defense of Jacque Vaughn or the offense of Damon. One of the reasons the Spurs are successful against the Suns. They always attack Steve on the offensive end. Also the Spurs do go through moments when they go scoreless. Now you have two players off the bench who can score. Mighty Mouse and Manu. Chris Webber I agree is not that relevant but against Dallas and Dirk soft butt it's enough. Also think what you want but if Shaq may not be what he was but in the playoffs he can be damn valuable. Why you think Mark Cuban was saying F kidd and trying to get Shaq??? </div> Kidd, playing half assed, has more triple doubles than most franchises do in a year. Damon Stoudamire hasn't been relevant in the NBA in a long time. Webber? The same. Shaq may or may not be a factor, depending on how the Suns can adjust to his plodding style
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 17 2008, 05:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 04:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ghost of Jason Collins @ Feb 17 2008, 04:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Well can you blame me? I'm not the only one who feels like this many others do too. As Charles said if this trade was made three weeks ago then I would have have to say Dallas is in front now but the West has gotten better. Shaq is a sun. The Spurs picked up mighty mouse. The Lakers picked up Gasol. Hell, the team that embarrassed the Mavs last year has Chris Webber.</div> Gasol is the only relevant player out of the lot. </div> Damon on the Spurs?? When Tony goes out of the game you can with two options the defense of Jacque Vaughn or the offense of Damon. One of the reasons the Spurs are successful against the Suns. They always attack Steve on the offensive end. Also the Spurs do go through moments when they go scoreless. Now you have two players off the bench who can score. Mighty Mouse and Manu. Chris Webber I agree is not that relevant but against Dallas and Dirk soft butt it's enough. Also think what you want but if Shaq may not be what he was but in the playoffs he can be damn valuable. Why you think Mark Cuban was saying F kidd and trying to get Shaq??? </div> Kidd, playing half assed, has more triple doubles than most franchises do in a year. Damon Stoudamire hasn't been relevant in the NBA in a long time. Webber? The same. Shaq may or may not be a factor, depending on how the Suns can adjust to his plodding style </div> How many wins does the Nets have this year??? How many did they had last year. Also if VC is threated like crap for playing half assed what does that say about the great leader Kidd??? Shaq won a ring in 2006. How many have the Suns and the Mavs won in the last ten years?? Don't get it twisted he may not be dominated but he can still be useful. The Mavs and Suns both know this as they both tried to get him. You are right about Damon but Webber was very relevant last year until they played the Cavs in the playoffs.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>huh?? The Mavs had a better team than the warriors last year?? I probably read that wrong or misinterpreted that so I won't respond to it. Because if your saying that the Mavs from last year was better than the warriors they sure didn't prove it on the floor. Nothing is given to anyone. It has to be earn and I have to go by what I seen to make my decision. I can't say oh they have Kidd they are contenders. I can't forget this is the same team that has been coming up short and one player who hasn't even been able to help his team in mediocre EAST get out of the second round is about to come out to big bad West and all of sudden lead this team to the chip. I'm A Realist. You are right Kidd does raise their chances of winning a chip but those chances weren't and aren't very high either way. You can say I'm crazy but I'm going by what I seen and history. What are you going by?? What ifs couldas and maybes.</div> Mavs from last year were a better team than the Warriors but were emotionally soft just like against the Heat. I'm going with what ifs and so are you. This team has had a first round exit and a Finals lose and nothing goes up hill from here. I'd rather have the what ifs than the same stufff every year. But hey, second round and out is cool with them, then by all means.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (killa kadafi191 @ Feb 17 2008, 05:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How many wins does the Nets have this year??? How many did they had last year. Also if VC is threated like crap for playing half assed what does that say about the great leader Kidd??? Shaq won a ring in 2006. How many have the Suns and the Mavs won in the last ten years?? Don't get it twisted he may not be dominated but he can still be useful. The Mavs and Suns both know this as they both tried to get him. You are right about Damon but Webber was very relevant last year until they played the Cavs in the playoffs.</div> I am not making any excuses for Kidd's half assed play, just pointing out how productive he has been with less than perfect effort. If you give Kidd people who can make shots, like Dirk, Howard, and Terry, and his impact will only be that much more.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Universe @ Feb 17 2008, 05:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>huh?? The Mavs had a better team than the warriors last year?? I probably read that wrong or misinterpreted that so I won't respond to it. Because if your saying that the Mavs from last year was better than the warriors they sure didn't prove it on the floor. Nothing is given to anyone. It has to be earn and I have to go by what I seen to make my decision. I can't say oh they have Kidd they are contenders. I can't forget this is the same team that has been coming up short and one player who hasn't even been able to help his team in mediocre EAST get out of the second round is about to come out to big bad West and all of sudden lead this team to the chip. I'm A Realist. You are right Kidd does raise their chances of winning a chip but those chances weren't and aren't very high either way. You can say I'm crazy but I'm going by what I seen and history. What are you going by?? What ifs couldas and maybes.</div> Mavs from last year were a better team than the Warriors but were emotionally soft just like against the Heat. I'm going with what ifs and so are you. This team has had a first round exit and a Finals lose and nothing goes up hill from here. I'd rather have the what ifs than the same stufff every year. But hey, second round and out is cool with them, then by all means. </div> that's an excuse the warriors beat the Mavs all last year in the regular season and playoffs. Nelson out coached Avery and the warriors out played them
