I can't help it, I like this trade. We get everything you should get when trading a superstar: one young, proven starter (Harris), expiring contracts (Diop, Van Horn), youth with potential (Ager) and picks. Plus a trade exception (which I hope we'll use instead of letting it run out) and good hustle player (Hassell, though his contract sucks). Not bad at all, Kiki-Thorn. I really hope we can get Mike Miller now, hopefully for something like Nachbar, Magloire and a pick from Dallas. Not a great chance, but if that somehow goes through we actually become a contender. Harris/Williams/Armstrong Carter/Miller/Ager/Hassell Jefferson/Miller/Hassell/KVH(?) S.Williams/Krstic/Swift/KVH(?) Boone/Diop/Krstic That lineup, with the right chemistry and with a healthy and determined VC, can beat any team in the East in a playoff series. Even Boston and Detroit. With Harris pressuring Rondo/Billups, Jefferson sticking to Pierce/Allen/Hamilton and some big bodies to throw at guys like KG, Dwight and 'Sheed now that Diop and Swift are here, I say we can be the dark horse in the playoffs this season. If we can convince Keith Van Horn to stay 'till the end of the season, even better. He can be our designated shooter off the bench. Imagine a lineup of Carter, Miller, Van Horn, S. Williams and Krstic. 4 great shooters+Williams, who isn't that bad himself from mid-range.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerzeeNetz @ Feb 19 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Feb 19 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>NewJerzeeNetz, I see no reason to get JO, if Carter can not stay... Your lineup has zero playmakers on it.</div> Do we really need play makers? They said VC was a play maker what did he do for us? Nothing. Bad shots. Scarred to drive to the rim unless he gets criticized i.e. Magic Johnson saying he can't do it anymore. At least with having JO and Kristic it gives us an inside outside big man threat. Devin harris is fast and not scared to drive it to rim. Mike Miller good outside presence and can also drive it in if he has too and RJ you are saying he is not a playmaker? RJ has the all around game and plays better with out VC. This team doesn't need playmakers they need people that are not scared to take it to the hole and get the foul and to take the shot when they have to. When that is achieved the playmakers will come. May not be this year but it will come </div> Well, I admit, that I'm a Carter fan, so maybe that's why I disagree with you on that. I just think the current lineup (Carter+Boone) is better than your guys plugged in to thir spots (Miller+JO). On the other side, I really like the idea of getting Mike Miller (For Magloire and KVH for example) And I also like the idea of getting JO + someone cheap, if we can keep Carter (Mags, KVH, Krstic and Hassel + Boki or Marcus)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Feb 19 2008, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerzeeNetz @ Feb 19 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Feb 19 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>NewJerzeeNetz, I see no reason to get JO, if Carter can not stay... Your lineup has zero playmakers on it.</div> Do we really need play makers? They said VC was a play maker what did he do for us? Nothing. Bad shots. Scarred to drive to the rim unless he gets criticized i.e. Magic Johnson saying he can't do it anymore. At least with having JO and Kristic it gives us an inside outside big man threat. Devin harris is fast and not scared to drive it to rim. Mike Miller good outside presence and can also drive it in if he has too and RJ you are saying he is not a playmaker? RJ has the all around game and plays better with out VC. This team doesn't need playmakers they need people that are not scared to take it to the hole and get the foul and to take the shot when they have to. When that is achieved the playmakers will come. May not be this year but it will come </div> Well, I admit, that I'm a Carter fan, so maybe that's why I disagree with you on that. I just think the current lineup (Carter+Boone) is better than your guys plugged in to thir spots (Miller+JO). On the other side, I really like the idea of getting Mike Miller (For Magloire and KVH for example) And I also like the idea of getting JO + someone cheap, if we can keep Carter (Mags, KVH, Krstic and Hassel + Boki or Marcus) </div> Now I can see why there is a disagreement there with VC. Don't get me wrong VC puts people in the seats but as of lately when i watch nets games there are people in the seats. JO and Carter would be nice. If we can get mike miller for boki and other exp contracts sure lets do it. But I just don't think we can do it with VC. But I guess we just have to trust the front office
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NewJerzeeNetz @ Feb 19 2008, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fefe @ Feb 19 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>NewJerzeeNetz, I see no reason to get JO, if Carter can not stay... Your lineup has zero playmakers on it.</div> Do we really need play makers? They said VC was a play maker what did he do for us? Nothing. Bad shots. Scarred to drive to the rim unless he gets criticized i.e. Magic Johnson saying he can't do it anymore. At least with having JO and Kristic it gives us an inside outside big man threat. Devin harris is fast and not scared to drive it to rim. Mike Miller good outside presence and can also drive it in if he has too and RJ you are saying he is not a playmaker? RJ has the all around game and plays better with out VC. This team doesn't need playmakers they need people that are not scared to take it to the hole and get the foul and to take the shot when they have to. When that is achieved the playmakers will come. May not be this year but it will come </div> No offense man but the numbers don't add up when you look at the roster... Vince makes 13.5, Jermaine makes 20...we can't trade them straight up and we can't include players who have just been traded for... assuming that Mike Miller was aquired for DA, Boki and Mags, then the only players we could throw in with Vince would be Swat, Boone, Krstic and Marcus Williams... Actually the deal would be Vince, Nenad and either Marcus, Josh or Sean... I'm just saying you should run numbers before you make proposals. Try realgm or the espn trade machine...
